I will come back to this post in September to see if I was right lol
Biggest concerning signs:
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30 FPS lock on xbox, there’s no way to spin that positively, absolute fail
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Predatory pre-order bonus skins to get people to buy before they know what they’re actually going to experience (buggy shitshow)
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Countless attempts to hype up the game and huge random assurances from the devs
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Preemptively admitting the game has jank and trying to make it seem okay lol
At least the bugs will be absolutely hilarious I think.
I don’t understand why anyone is naïve enough to still preorder from companies like Bethesda.
Mostly I don’t understand pre-ordering games at all (patient gamers represent) but from Bethesda? You’re basically paying to get kicked in the shins. Surely we all know this by now.
Right? How could anybody still fall for that after the shit show that was Fallout 76? I recently watched a long video with some gameplay footage and Todd Howard giving an interview and most comments were people being absolutely hyped to the bone. I’m sorry for them… They’re going to be so disappointed.
Fallout 76 is only the most recent, they’ve been like this since… I guess a little after morrowind? As an early adopter of tes (saved my sheckels to buy arena after reading a PC gamer review, did not regret), I was sad to see them go to shit, but to shit they went and it was not recent.
Man i was there for the older elder scrolls games. Same exact thing minus the internet hype because there was no internet. But they always hyped their games beyond anything reasonable and the end product was a buggy mess. They called daggerfall “buggerfall” back in the day for a reason.
It is now 30 years of continuous lies and people are still believing it.
I never understood why you would even want the pre-order bonuses. Surely that would detract from unlocking things in game if they give you a bunch of stuff for free. Wasn’t it one of the dead space games that have you a bunch of bonus weapons that broke progression?
Part of the reason Bethesda’a PC games age so well is because of them being so moddable.
Yep, and that doesn’t fit well with ‘omg must preorder this game’
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It’s probably going to be the game of the year, maybe beaten by TOTK. Certainly it’ll be one of the best selling games of all time.
This is such a neckbeard take.
Maybe somewhere in the middle, honestly. Highly publicized bugs at launch, people complaining they’re under-delivering on what we all knew was marketing bullshit, then bugs get fixed under the radar and the game turns out to be amazing by the time they release their first DLC.
People always harp on about not pre-ordering, but you know what’s even better? Ignoring launch hype. I mean, look at Cyberpunk.
Yea, single player games, on consoles, can be 100% enjoyable even at 30fps. BotW and TotK are perfect examples of it. I haven’t seen any trailers or reviews or content of Starfield, btw, so don’t anyone date call me a coper.
It’s a bit rougher in an FPS, but not a deal-breaker if the game is good.
Good thing this is an RPG then.
I mean literally the first-person camera.
Like you the fact you’re moving a crosshair makes it much more noticeable. It’s the same on desktop for 60Hz vs. 120+Hz too.
I don’t care so much though, I doubt I’ll even hit 30 FPS on my potato.
Member Fallout '76? I member.
Wow that is way more of a neckbeard take. There is no way in hell starfield is going to beat totk. It’s going to be janky shit, but outside of specific communities nobody cares about starfield in comparison.
There is no way in hell starfield is going to beat totk.
Tears of the Kingdom sold over 10 million copies so far. Breath of the Wild sold 31 million.
Skyrim sold 60 million.
Zelda, being Nintendo exclusive, is a much smaller franchise than major Bethesda games. Unless Starfield is a total bust at launch like No Man’s Sky or Cyberpunk (and even those managed 10+ and 20+ million copies sold), it will beat TotK easily.
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but outside of specific communities nobody cares about starfield in comparison
I’d think that about a mobile game like Fallout Shelter, but at 170 million copies sold it beats all other Bethesda franchises together.
I think it’ll be close as TOTK is a really, really strong contender. In any other year Starfield would get it for sure. But TOTK is pretty incredible.
BG3 comes out the week before too.
Bethesda jank is what brought us the Giant Space Program in Skyrim so I’m definitely fine with some jank. They’ve also said it’s the least buggy Bethesda game they’ve made. It feels like you’re just picking bad points to shit on the game.
Jank is partially the result of allowing for emergent gameplay where various forms of simulated systems can interact with each other in novel or unpredictable ways.
That being said I have no clue how people tolerate playing these games on console. Can’t even count the number of times I’ve had to use console commands to fix something myself.
The fact they are priming people to expect this is pretty bad.
They’ve also said it’s the least buggy Bethesda game they’ve made.
They have also said the exact same thing every single time they have talked about a new game. Literaly EVERY SINGLE TIME. Jesus christ please stop…
Are you arguing against it? Has anyone actually done an in-depth analysis to prove that the games are not getting less buggy? I know Bethsda has a vested interest in us thinking it’s true but without any evidence I’d trust them over random people on the internet.
I am pretty damn sure Fallout 76 was the buggiest game they ever released. And Todd literally said: dont worry no bugs this time. It just works.
Fallout 76 is extremely different technically from their single player games so of course it’s going to be more buggy. I’d be more interested in a comparison between Skyrim, Fallout 4, and Starfield after it releases. Also the “It just works” quote comes from Fallout 4 talking about the settlement builder. I don’t know what claims they made about FO76 since I wasn’t interested in it but I doubt he would use the same phrase again after it backfired so bad (and I also can’t find any evidence he did say it for FO76). So no, Todd did not “literally say” it just works. In fact for FO76 he said “sometimes it just doesn’t work”.
He said that as a joke while announcing the BETA of Fallout 76. And after the beta they announced they would fix everything, which they obvioulsy didn’t.
Not sure what people are actually expecting from starfield. It’ll be TES/Fallout in space. The story will be mediocre but who plays Bethesda games for the main quest anyway? The graphics won’t be top-notch, but who plays Bethesda games for the graphics? It won’t be completely bug-free, but who… You get it. It will be a game that we will play for decades to come, especially with mods. But I don’t expect it to be a revolution of the genre.
Before they showed it people absolutely where expecting something else than TES/Fallout in space. But as soon as they showed it, it was obvious it is just another typical bethesda RPG. Don’t get me wrong, a lot of people seem to love that. But the expectation was certainly something else after they announced it.
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This post reads as if you’re a PlayStation player that still obsessed over the cOnSoLe WaRs and is just salty.
- Countless attempts to hype up the game and huge random assurances from the devs
You mean… marketing?
Pretty much everything you said is dumb or just not true, but that one was especially hilarious.
I don’t own a playstation
30 FPS lock on xbox
This is factually true
reads as if
Didn’t say you did
pretty much everything
And I didn’t say everything wasn’t
Patient gamers unite!
It’s on Gamepass, I literally lose nothing from trying it day one whether it’s pants or brilliant.
I’m 100% expecting this game to crash and burn in the most outrageous manner possible. I’ll be surprised if it turns out to be a good game.
It’s possible that they’ll get around to making it good eventually but I’m betting it’ll be total garbage at launch
Patient Gaming wins again
Predatory pre-order bonus skins to get people to buy before they know what they’re actually going to experience (buggy shitshow)
Countless attempts to hype up the game and huge random assurances from the devs
Preemptively admitting the game has jank and trying to make it seem okay lol
none of this is particularly different from their other releases, and 2 & 3 arent even out of the ordinary for AAA gaming in general, regardless of quality or reception
Plus number 4. It’s a Bethesda game, if you don’t expect jank/bugs then I have a bridge to sell you…
Ofc it will be broken at launch but the amazing modding community that comes with Bethesda games will have that shit sorted in no time
Ofc it will be broken at launch but the amazing modding community that comes with Bethesda games will have that shit sorted in no time
Doesn’t make the base game any better.
- 30 fps lock is not a bad thing for a not action heavy rpg, many games already did and prove that if you do it properly it’s not that bad.
- you don’t have to do the pre-order no one is forcing you to pre-order. They set a FOMO flag on the pitfall if you go ahead and fall then it’s your issue.
- every big budget game hypes their game, they have to cause marketing money sometimes exceeds the development cost.(depending on the audience reach results, they usually don’t spend marketing money like idiots.)
- if it doesn’t pull a cyberpunk then I think it would be fine.
my predictions:
- at best it would be a space new vegas, At worst a space warp simulator cause loading or procedurally generate stuff for the system you are in takes time. And then it’s full of copy paste settlements where 95% of the planet is not even worth visiting, you just scan locate settlement, land near by do your space fetching and then move on.
- it would be some interesting landscapes probably from AI generated ideas so main location won’t feel too repetitive.(so do a planet with just one biome, except story relevant planets.)
- space combat is probably gonna suck or forced cinematic thing(force you to land somewhere, get ship taken away, etc. )
- many startrek/starwars “inspirations” for factions.
No need to preorder since you can just pay 10€ and play the game day 1 on gamepass. If it sucks, you still have a huge choice of games to play
Is this a sign though that games are going to start heading in the direction of 30 fps again? I remember last gen earlier titles would be 60 fps with the cross platform approach, but gradually it became rarer until 30 fps became the norm again with 60 becoming more of an outlier.
It was always going to happen. Even most games that offer a ‘60 fps’ performance mode are mostly targeting 30 fps, with the performance mode being an afterthought. They cut back resolution and tons of graphic settings and half the time don’t even hit 60. Like Jedi Survivor ran great in Quality mode with nearly no fps drops throughout the entire game (excluding one small area) while the performance mode had tons of issues.
Do not, my friends, become addicted to 60 fps. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence.
Reading this comment in 120 fps. Whoops.
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As for the 30fps thing, it makes no sense to me why there can’t be a performance mode
Graphics aren’t the only thing that are heavy on resources. The thing with Bethesda games is that you have a lot of clutter items scattered around (like tin cans, forks and cheese wheels) that you can pickup, drag around, and because of this interactive nature, there’s physics calculations for all these items, and this hogs resources. You can’t just lower texture resolution or turn off anti aliasing and be done with it, you’d have to fundamentally change how the game works to make a performance for a Bethesda game
Their game engine is shit, always has been shit.
30FPS cap is a function of their old engine being shit and attempting to keep up with modern engines.
I wish they would just abandon the engine already and move forward with a modern engine.
This sounds about right.
Nah, I think you’re way overblowing this. Starfield is going to be a success, it’ll be the least buggy release they’ve ever had and people will love it. Monetization? Sure. 30fps? Yeah that’s standard for consoles. It’s not going to be a perfect game, it’s just going to be a damn good one. Enjoy it in the sea of mediocrity we have right now
Yup. It’s easy to be cynical about the current state of video games, but Bethesda seems to still be made up of people who are genuinely excited about what they are building, all the way up to management.
It’s not a perfect indicator for success, but I think it’s a pretty damned good one.
it’s an rpg not forza. 30fosnisnt that important in the context.
It’s also the first game they’re making with Microsoft resources, and by what they’re showing, they really seem to be learning with their mistakes and improving.
I agree with OP that Starfield is going to make a lot of people unhappy, mostly because of their own unreal expectations, but it is not going to be a blunder, let alone a massive one. However, it could be the most perfect game ever made and yet gamers/redditors that won’t even bother playing the game will find something to complain about and hop on the hatewagon because they’re just that miserable
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