It’s crazy to me that people here seem unaware that Israel didn’t just start out by building a fortified security perimeter around Gaza. It did that because of the near weekly suicide bombings. Gaza would be completely free if not for those terrorists.
Israel is definitely going overboard, but Hamas and a significant portion of Palestinians openly call for Israeli extermination. The utter refusal to engage on this topic in good faith, and the way this lack of nuance is being used to attack Joe Biden specifically is why I’m convinced much of this narrative is being pushed by right wing trolls pretending to be leftists.
Nah man, what Isreal is doing is genocide. The correct thing to do is fucking murky when both sides have engaged in barbaric bulshit for at least a generation, but Isreal has the upper hand in this power dynamic and what they are doing with it is fucking gross, same as the terrorist attack that Hamas pulled was pure evil. Neither side is clean in this conflict, but one side has significantly more power than the other. Leftists are pissed because the states is once again using its power to aid in something disgusting.
I don’t really disagree with much of what you say here, but I have seen leftists on here actually praising Hamas.
I do think the loaded language is intended to divide, and I’m quite curious to what people will say if the UN says it’s not a genocide. I genuinely don’t think Israel is trying to exterminate Palestinian Arabs. But that also doesn’t mean I’m anything close to ok with the response. The fact of the matter is that if both sides took a more secular approach to coexistence, there would be no conflict.
I guess the Tankies are technically left, but is that mostly a technicality when they simp for authoritarian regimes who have zero interest in ever allowing left leaning ideals? So yeah, theres a disgusting amount of lemmites who full on support Hamas, but I stopped considering them reasonable human beings a while ago (I’ll state here I’m using Tankie here to mean: “Communist who’s pro China/Russia” and NOT all communists). I dont really know what the response will be if the UN declares it not a genocide, some people will probably accept that and some people wont. I dont think a large chunk of people necessarily CARE what higher governmental powers declare it as though, its the fact that its functionally exterminating a significant portion of Palestinians that is upsetting to a lot of us, if its found to not TECHNICALLY be a genocide, that doesnt necessarily downplay the horror of what’s happening. Finally, and I apologize for the wall of text, I’m trying to respond to everything, I dont think religion is the sole cause of this conflict anymore, both sides have been traumatized by the generation of violence, and the hatred born from that isnt going to go away easily
It’s crazy to me that people here seem unaware that Israel didn’t just start out by building a fortified security perimeter around Gaza. It did that because of the near weekly suicide bombings. Gaza would be completely free if not for those terrorists.
Israel is definitely going overboard, but Hamas and a significant portion of Palestinians openly call for Israeli extermination. The utter refusal to engage on this topic in good faith, and the way this lack of nuance is being used to attack Joe Biden specifically is why I’m convinced much of this narrative is being pushed by right wing trolls pretending to be leftists.
Nah man, what Isreal is doing is genocide. The correct thing to do is fucking murky when both sides have engaged in barbaric bulshit for at least a generation, but Isreal has the upper hand in this power dynamic and what they are doing with it is fucking gross, same as the terrorist attack that Hamas pulled was pure evil. Neither side is clean in this conflict, but one side has significantly more power than the other. Leftists are pissed because the states is once again using its power to aid in something disgusting.
that being said, anyone who’d let Trump gain power because of this is fucking DANGEROUSLY retarded.
(put this add on as a reply so that if I get the lemmy mod hammer for using the r word, the rest of my post stays up)
I don’t really disagree with much of what you say here, but I have seen leftists on here actually praising Hamas.
I do think the loaded language is intended to divide, and I’m quite curious to what people will say if the UN says it’s not a genocide. I genuinely don’t think Israel is trying to exterminate Palestinian Arabs. But that also doesn’t mean I’m anything close to ok with the response. The fact of the matter is that if both sides took a more secular approach to coexistence, there would be no conflict.
I guess the Tankies are technically left, but is that mostly a technicality when they simp for authoritarian regimes who have zero interest in ever allowing left leaning ideals? So yeah, theres a disgusting amount of lemmites who full on support Hamas, but I stopped considering them reasonable human beings a while ago (I’ll state here I’m using Tankie here to mean: “Communist who’s pro China/Russia” and NOT all communists). I dont really know what the response will be if the UN declares it not a genocide, some people will probably accept that and some people wont. I dont think a large chunk of people necessarily CARE what higher governmental powers declare it as though, its the fact that its functionally exterminating a significant portion of Palestinians that is upsetting to a lot of us, if its found to not TECHNICALLY be a genocide, that doesnt necessarily downplay the horror of what’s happening. Finally, and I apologize for the wall of text, I’m trying to respond to everything, I dont think religion is the sole cause of this conflict anymore, both sides have been traumatized by the generation of violence, and the hatred born from that isnt going to go away easily