Yeah good for you Young Progressive Activists for getting out there and engaging and all that. Good job.
Understand, though, that your demands will be weaponized by trumps shit handlers. And it’s not as effective as actually working within the party. But y’know.
It is not possible to change some things in time. Right, like, you’re not able to change the electoral college, or FPTP, or the de facto two-party system, or Biden as the top of the ticket in six months.
So when the olds are all “OMG don’t help trump win!!” It’s because we did this eight years ago and ended up in the most horrific turd-circus hell with a fucked up supreme court and every disastrous decision possible.
Biden’s not progressive enough, yeah, no shit. But actively damaging the prospects for a second Biden term is insane. Like, when people tell you not to point a loaded gun at yourself? Like that. Really bad.
So, take that to heart. There’s a time to change the party platform, and - more importantly - a better way. It’s not loud or exciting, no news articles will come out of it, but it is the actual thing you say you want.
Let me be clear: if all you’re going to do is tell people to shut up, and tell people how to behave, you can shut up for all the “effectiveness” you’re having.
Climate change is the greatest existential threat to our time. Literally everything a rational person might be concerned with will be exacerbated by it.
This isn’t about party politics. It’s about kids and grandkids fucking surviving. Biden and most boomers don’t give a fuck because they won’t live long enough to see the effects.
Understand that I agree with the sentiment. Ok? I’ve been watching this burn down and railing about it for decades. No disagreement that we’re killing the planet and we need drastic changes to oil and gas and meat and water protections and so on. So let’s get that straight.
What I’m telling the “Young Progressive Activists” is that they’re wasting their time and helping trump, which is the exact opposite of what they want.
So yeah, I’m telling them how they’re behaving isn’t going to work for them. How could anyone possibly know that? Because, again, as we’ve all said 100 times now - so go ahead and fucking listen to it this time - we see this Every. Time. We’ve seen it for decades. Talk to the Nader people. The Mondale people. Talk to the anti-Reagan anarchists. You think it’s new? How could anyone possibly NOT know that this happens every time? Well, sometimes it’s because they’d have been too young to know it.
It’s not Democratic party politics? Well then that’s exactly the point. You think Biden’s not going far enough. We agree. we thought Obama didn’t go far enough, we thought Clinton didn’t go far enough, and that’s all we’ve had. And those were huge wins. Every other administration has been pro-planetary-death in the extreme. They fucking went to war for oil for fuck’s sake, and those are the people these “Young Progressive Activists” are helping.
So yeah, this behavior is predictable, and it will fail. You don’t wanna know that? You wanna fuck up again and elect another republiQan, that’s what you’ll do then. What a great fucking idea.
Look, we were all stubborn idiots who held to the clear and obvious fact that we were right too. Somehow, despite the fact that we were clearly and obviously right this entire time (I mean, here we are, yeah?) we ended up with this shitshow of a political landscape.
So, what am I saying we shouldn’t challenge the DNC? Oh hell no. “The Democratic firing squad is a circle” is a very old trope. But the DNC isn’t the republiQan party - the DNC can be engaged with and changed by working with it. Go to meetings and make resolutions and so on. Why aren’t “Young Progressive Activists” doing that? Why aren’t they doing the thing that works?
Why. Aren’t they doing. The thing that works.
Whatever reason you decide on isn’t a good one. I know why I didn’t go to meetings and run for things and change people’s legislation that way. Because it was boring. Really - like, really boring. And it took time away from fun things. That’s why. It’s a terrible reason.
And that’s why this is so annoying. This isn’t going to change shit. Yay they’re in the news for twenty seconds. And they’re giving ammunition to trump. Hoo-rah. Best part yet, they’re angry and won’t listen. Fuck. Who isn’t.
If you want a detailed map of political change that works outside one of the two parties, you’re in for an even longer haul and a higher mountain than you can even imagine. That’s what you’re saying. So. Here - good luck. I hope you succeed.
Want my vote? Earn my vote. We’re asking Biden to do the bare minimum. Don’t blame the voters, blame the candidate whose job it is to earn those votes.
I don’t vote “against” candidates, I vote “for” them. If a candidate wants my vote, they can act like it, otherwise I’ll be content to let the rest of my state vote blue like always.
Yelling at me isn’t going to change anything, but liberals keep acting like I live in a swing state and their futures depend on shaming me into supporting their half of our pro-genocide, one-party state.
Fair enough. Your pure vote will never be sullied by the dark truths of party politics. Put it in a special glass case on the shelf. Think of it fondly as you enjoy the consequences.
Opposing genocide is always good; anyone who tries to prevent you from or talk you out of opposing genocide is tacitly or explicitly supporting genocide.
Criticizing our leaders for things that they do wrong (like supporting a genocide) is always good; anyone who says otherwise or tries to convince you to not criticize our leaders is anti-democratic.
Biden shouldn’t sacrifice our democracy to actively support a genocide.
No disagreement with the sentiments. Absolutely agree.
But that’s not what this is. This is an ephemeral news story. That’s all. That’s all it will ever be.
Lasting change doesn’t come from waving signs and yelling in the street for an afternoon. Lasting change comes from engaging with the party by helping elect the people you want.
Bullet points of true facts are excellent things. And they will get killed in November without organization. You think this is organized? Well then, watch as it gets killed. Because it ain’t. Organized. It’s as organized as a meme. watch it scroll by. Whooosh there it goes. Oh and now here’s a new republiQan administration to make everything 1000% worse. Huh that didn’t work somehow. Boy it’s a FUCKING MYSTERY.
Yeah good for you Young Progressive Activists for getting out there and engaging and all that. Good job.
Understand, though, that your demands will be weaponized by trumps shit handlers. And it’s not as effective as actually working within the party. But y’know.
It is not possible to change some things in time. Right, like, you’re not able to change the electoral college, or FPTP, or the de facto two-party system, or Biden as the top of the ticket in six months.
So when the olds are all “OMG don’t help trump win!!” It’s because we did this eight years ago and ended up in the most horrific turd-circus hell with a fucked up supreme court and every disastrous decision possible.
Biden’s not progressive enough, yeah, no shit. But actively damaging the prospects for a second Biden term is insane. Like, when people tell you not to point a loaded gun at yourself? Like that. Really bad.
So, take that to heart. There’s a time to change the party platform, and - more importantly - a better way. It’s not loud or exciting, no news articles will come out of it, but it is the actual thing you say you want.
Let me be clear: if all you’re going to do is tell people to shut up, and tell people how to behave, you can shut up for all the “effectiveness” you’re having.
Climate change is the greatest existential threat to our time. Literally everything a rational person might be concerned with will be exacerbated by it.
This isn’t about party politics. It’s about kids and grandkids fucking surviving. Biden and most boomers don’t give a fuck because they won’t live long enough to see the effects.
Understand that I agree with the sentiment. Ok? I’ve been watching this burn down and railing about it for decades. No disagreement that we’re killing the planet and we need drastic changes to oil and gas and meat and water protections and so on. So let’s get that straight.
What I’m telling the “Young Progressive Activists” is that they’re wasting their time and helping trump, which is the exact opposite of what they want.
So yeah, I’m telling them how they’re behaving isn’t going to work for them. How could anyone possibly know that? Because, again, as we’ve all said 100 times now - so go ahead and fucking listen to it this time - we see this Every. Time. We’ve seen it for decades. Talk to the Nader people. The Mondale people. Talk to the anti-Reagan anarchists. You think it’s new? How could anyone possibly NOT know that this happens every time? Well, sometimes it’s because they’d have been too young to know it.
It’s not Democratic party politics? Well then that’s exactly the point. You think Biden’s not going far enough. We agree. we thought Obama didn’t go far enough, we thought Clinton didn’t go far enough, and that’s all we’ve had. And those were huge wins. Every other administration has been pro-planetary-death in the extreme. They fucking went to war for oil for fuck’s sake, and those are the people these “Young Progressive Activists” are helping.
So yeah, this behavior is predictable, and it will fail. You don’t wanna know that? You wanna fuck up again and elect another republiQan, that’s what you’ll do then. What a great fucking idea.
Look, we were all stubborn idiots who held to the clear and obvious fact that we were right too. Somehow, despite the fact that we were clearly and obviously right this entire time (I mean, here we are, yeah?) we ended up with this shitshow of a political landscape.
So, what am I saying we shouldn’t challenge the DNC? Oh hell no. “The Democratic firing squad is a circle” is a very old trope. But the DNC isn’t the republiQan party - the DNC can be engaged with and changed by working with it. Go to meetings and make resolutions and so on. Why aren’t “Young Progressive Activists” doing that? Why aren’t they doing the thing that works?
Why. Aren’t they doing. The thing that works.
Whatever reason you decide on isn’t a good one. I know why I didn’t go to meetings and run for things and change people’s legislation that way. Because it was boring. Really - like, really boring. And it took time away from fun things. That’s why. It’s a terrible reason.
And that’s why this is so annoying. This isn’t going to change shit. Yay they’re in the news for twenty seconds. And they’re giving ammunition to trump. Hoo-rah. Best part yet, they’re angry and won’t listen. Fuck. Who isn’t.
If you want a detailed map of political change that works outside one of the two parties, you’re in for an even longer haul and a higher mountain than you can even imagine. That’s what you’re saying. So. Here - good luck. I hope you succeed.
Want my vote? Earn my vote. We’re asking Biden to do the bare minimum. Don’t blame the voters, blame the candidate whose job it is to earn those votes.
I get shit for it every time I say this.
I don’t vote “against” candidates, I vote “for” them. If a candidate wants my vote, they can act like it, otherwise I’ll be content to let the rest of my state vote blue like always.
Yelling at me isn’t going to change anything, but liberals keep acting like I live in a swing state and their futures depend on shaming me into supporting their half of our pro-genocide, one-party state.
Needless to say, I’m not having it.
Fair enough. Your pure vote will never be sullied by the dark truths of party politics. Put it in a special glass case on the shelf. Think of it fondly as you enjoy the consequences.
No disagreement with the sentiments. Absolutely agree.
But that’s not what this is. This is an ephemeral news story. That’s all. That’s all it will ever be.
Lasting change doesn’t come from waving signs and yelling in the street for an afternoon. Lasting change comes from engaging with the party by helping elect the people you want.
Bullet points of true facts are excellent things. And they will get killed in November without organization. You think this is organized? Well then, watch as it gets killed. Because it ain’t. Organized. It’s as organized as a meme. watch it scroll by. Whooosh there it goes. Oh and now here’s a new republiQan administration to make everything 1000% worse. Huh that didn’t work somehow. Boy it’s a FUCKING MYSTERY.