Agreed. This is a terrible take. Is basically implying “both sides are the same”, a staple in the ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM group but they’re not. Blue side wants to maintain the status quo and maybe, very slightly, make light progressive changes (but again very small changes) while red side is trying to destroy social safety nets (cutting socials security), women’s autonomy (roe vs wade and more) and democracy itself (Jan 6). That’s not to mention that Republicans for the most part built their ideology based off hate. Their drive comes from reactionary outrage.
How is this not an opinion? Do you think the elections in russia are unquestionably fair?
“I think women shouldn’t have total control over their bodies”
Nobody has total control, that was never up for debate, it’s just a question of where you draw the line. You can’t consume heroin, for example. If you’re holding a baby in your arms, you dont have the “total freedom” to drop it. Similarly, it’s a valid ethical debate if and when an embrio is concidered another living being. You might say “control over their body”, someone else might say “it’s not their body, it’s that of another human”.
Your entire comment assumes that “the others” are intolerant and you are the tolerant saint. The truth is, what is tolerant depends on your morals and is thus subjective. Tolerating other’s opinions is a fundemental requirement for a democracy, with the exception of opinions that are anti-democratic. Not tolerating a whole political view, however, has nothing to do with that. That would just means being an intolerant asshole and claiming that one’s own political beliefs are the only ones that are correct.
Trans are grooming: It is an insult and LITERALLY what the US conservatives are running on. You need to understand this.
Elections: We aren’t talking about Russian elections.
Abortions: Read “A defence of abortion” by Judith Jarvis and get back to me. But before you do, stop acting like “you don’t have the right to drop a baby onto the floor!” is remotely in the ballpark of an apt comparison. Fuck off with that nonsense too.
Yeah but you said that doubting the validity of elections is not an opinion. We weren’t talking about any country’s elections specifically.
stop acting like “you don’t have the right to drop a baby onto the floor!” is remotely in the ballpark of an apt comparison
I never claimed it to be but dont you realize that it refutes your claim that one should have “total” control over one’s body? This showd that its a matter of where you draw the line. Its not black and white. Can you kill a baby after it was born? Two minutes before? A month before? 6 months before?
This entire thread is clearly about us politics. Furthermore, the idea that you can use THE ENTIRE GLOBE to cherry pick any scenario is absurd and you know it. Stop trying to play that copout game and own the fact that we are discussing American politics.
I never claimed it to be but dont you…
“I never said it was but it totally was!” So no to that as well. Argue in good faith or fuck off.
“I never said it was but it totally was!” So no to that as well.
To make sure you can’t interpret this the wrong way:
I did not claim that having the right to drop a baby was comparable to having the right to abort
However, it is completely irrelevant how comparable they are because this nontheless clearly shows that your absolute claim of “total choice” is false.
To sum it up for you:
The dropping example refutes your claim about total control
You said it isn’t comparable
I agreed and pointed out that I never claimed it to be. However, it still refutes your fucking claim. The whole point was for it to be non-controversial (I hope we agree dropping a baby is not your right) so we can both agree that you do not have total control, which you had previously implied.
Dude you just did it again. You can’t say “I didn’t compare them” and then immediately say how they compare. You aren’t this stupid, stop acting like it.
“I want a fiscally conservative tax policy” is a valid political opinion.
“I think trans people are grooming kids” “I think the election was rigged” “I think women shouldn’t have total control over their bodies”
Those are not. Those are bigoted bullshit beliefs hiding as political opinions.
Your entire comment actually boils down to “you are bad for not tolerating the intolerant!” …and you can fuck all of the way off with that.
Agreed. This is a terrible take. Is basically implying “both sides are the same”, a staple in the ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM group but they’re not. Blue side wants to maintain the status quo and maybe, very slightly, make light progressive changes (but again very small changes) while red side is trying to destroy social safety nets (cutting socials security), women’s autonomy (roe vs wade and more) and democracy itself (Jan 6). That’s not to mention that Republicans for the most part built their ideology based off hate. Their drive comes from reactionary outrage.
Democrats: “Stop genocide now!”
Republicans: “We won’t stop the genocide!”
Centrists: “Can’t we find a middle ground here? How about just a little genocide?”
Republicans: “I guess we’re okay with that.”
Democrats: “No!”
Centrists: “Wow, so much for the tolerant left!”
Democrats: Genocide ok over there.
Republicans: Maybe some here too though.
Centrists: How 'bout them Red Wings?
Me: You all suck.
You: “BoTh SiDeS”
Me: You too.
Thank you for saying it.
Thats just an insult, not an actual belief.
How is this not an opinion? Do you think the elections in russia are unquestionably fair?
Nobody has total control, that was never up for debate, it’s just a question of where you draw the line. You can’t consume heroin, for example. If you’re holding a baby in your arms, you dont have the “total freedom” to drop it. Similarly, it’s a valid ethical debate if and when an embrio is concidered another living being. You might say “control over their body”, someone else might say “it’s not their body, it’s that of another human”.
Your entire comment assumes that “the others” are intolerant and you are the tolerant saint. The truth is, what is tolerant depends on your morals and is thus subjective. Tolerating other’s opinions is a fundemental requirement for a democracy, with the exception of opinions that are anti-democratic. Not tolerating a whole political view, however, has nothing to do with that. That would just means being an intolerant asshole and claiming that one’s own political beliefs are the only ones that are correct.
Trans are grooming: It is an insult and LITERALLY what the US conservatives are running on. You need to understand this.
Elections: We aren’t talking about Russian elections.
Abortions: Read “A defence of abortion” by Judith Jarvis and get back to me. But before you do, stop acting like “you don’t have the right to drop a baby onto the floor!” is remotely in the ballpark of an apt comparison. Fuck off with that nonsense too.
Yeah but you said that doubting the validity of elections is not an opinion. We weren’t talking about any country’s elections specifically.
I never claimed it to be but dont you realize that it refutes your claim that one should have “total” control over one’s body? This showd that its a matter of where you draw the line. Its not black and white. Can you kill a baby after it was born? Two minutes before? A month before? 6 months before?
This entire thread is clearly about us politics. Furthermore, the idea that you can use THE ENTIRE GLOBE to cherry pick any scenario is absurd and you know it. Stop trying to play that copout game and own the fact that we are discussing American politics.
“I never said it was but it totally was!” So no to that as well. Argue in good faith or fuck off.
To make sure you can’t interpret this the wrong way:
To sum it up for you:
Dude you just did it again. You can’t say “I didn’t compare them” and then immediately say how they compare. You aren’t this stupid, stop acting like it.
No I did not and it does not matter whether they compare.
Yes. You did. Stop pretending you are too dumb to notice something that obvious