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My favorite will always be wartime foods. Shit on a shingle and spam on rice are fucking amazing.
Seriously. I love Korean army stew.
Peasant food, because peasants knew how to feed a family with cheap hearty ingredients, which keep you full. Whenever you imagine a cozy “I’m ready for a nap after eating” meal, it is almost always peasant food that you’re imagining.
I’m pretty sure I would want a nap after eating an entire beef wellington, but I wouldn’t call that peasant food.
What about post wartime foods? After WWII in Japan there was a hotel that had a ton of surplus ketchup, so one chef decided that putting it on pasta wouldn’t be a crime against humanity. Despite the fact that he was wrong, it still persists as a popular dish to this day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naporitan
Ketchup is the default pasta sauce. Felix ketchup is the one to swear by, can’t stand Heinz.
Ketchup is the key ingredients in swedish mest sauce.
I’m guessing that’s why no one talks about Sweden when talking pasta sauce
I tried to get into ketchup spaghetti. I tried
Why would you do that to yourself? I was tricked into eating it because I saw red sauce on spaghetti and decided that of course it was pasta sauce. Why would anyone ever not put pasta sauce on pasta? I had to stop myself from spitting it out when the weird sweet sensation that was supposed to be savory hit me.
Had the same reaction when I tried to find tomato/vegetable juice and it was similarly disgustingly sweet. Who puts sugar in vegetable juice? Just drink a smoothie with fruit ffs.
That’s unholy and should be cleansed with fire and chanting.
Beans on toast is prime 🤌 Toast with butter and marmite. Glug of Worcestershire. Grate some parmesan. Cracked pepper.
It especially hits on a cold snowy day
Mmm, acorn bread and beaver cheese.
You guys milk beavers?
Oh you can milk just about anything…
Mammary glands, testies, beans, nuts, seeds, even the mighty coconut.
I have nipples, Greg. Could you milk me?
No, but their eggs make delicious omelettes
I lick’em.
*Temu versions of our food.
Just like their knock-off version of rugby.
Hamburgers, meatloaf, gumbo, and all sorts of southern food is American.
I have to think of a lot of fish dishes too. Since we only have them here. I don’t think Walleye is from anywhere else. Maybe I’m wrong.
Walleye isn’t a preparation, it’s an animal.
Preparing pineapple or mango isn’t native either and included in these comparisons.
I didn’t say anything about nativeness. Also seems like you forgot to finish your sentence, I’m really not sure what you are trying to say here.
Hamburger were invited in Athens Texas. Just go ask that city they advertise that it was a man from that town at the World Fair in the 1930’s.
Dude, Hamburgers are literally named after the non-US city they originally came from…
But I have to admit that the refinement to its delicious present day form is an American achievement!Na, buddy. You’re wrong. The Hamburg thing is just about a mashed up piece of meat. Not the hamburger. Putting the meat in the bun to make a sandwich is 100% US like 125 years ago.
That’s quite disputed.
One of the more likely theories states that the bun idea together with the ground meat steak originated in Hamburg, where it was a variant of the common “Rundstück warm”, which has been around since 200 years ago or so.It’s less disputed than most food origins. I looked up your rundstuck warm food. Dunno why you’re trying to make that argument, because because that sure looks nothing like a hamburger, nor does it get eaten like one. That it didn’t use ground beef aside, it being covered in gravy is a dead giveaway.
The original hamburger was more like a meatloaf. It was a hamburg steak, meant to be eaten with a fork and knife just like a modern meatloaf. The modern hamburger is 100% an American invention, because America was the place that first turned it into a sandwich.
That’s a Hamburg steak. Not a hamburger, since there’s no bun
Literary all of those dishes have origins outside of the US lol
You’re literally wrong. A hamburger as a sandwich is a US creation. So is gumbo. Literally do a 2 minute search about it before “thinking” you know what you’re talking about. Lol
So does all human society, this is a stupid argument.
My point is that US people tend to claim ownership to a lot of things that were not invented there. I’m all for sharing culture and food and transforming them to something new, but don’t claim they are your invention.
Like as american as apple pie is an expression for a dish from Germany and the Netherlands.
Nah, I as an naturalized American citizen I do not want stuff I create to be called “Chinese”, its xenophobic. I mean, you can say “Chinese-American” to refer to me but not “Chinese”. Cuz why is a white US Citizen creating stuff labeled as “American” while stuff I make is not “American”? Double standards.
If I come up with a new food receipe, its American food. If I make a painting, that’s made by an American artist. If I publish a book, that’s written by an American writer. Don’t fucking try to “other” me.
We invented the chocolate chip cookie, man. That pretty much means we won. Lol
Haha, can’t argue with that logic. And cookie dough ice cream!
My point is that nationalism is poisoning society and destroying the ecosystem, and this discussion isn’t helping.
That I completely agree with and concede the point.
Meanwhile, German Chocolate Cake has nothing to do with Germany!
It was created by a guy with the last name of German…
I find it fascinating that almost half of the world has their own dumpling (ie. a small ball of a cheap source of protein and fat held together by a wrapping of flour dough; cooked by boiling in water).
I bet if you they would all dispute the origin of that food item.
What about pumkin pie?
Native American: I am a joke to you?
I mean if an immigrant gets US Citizenship, whatever food they make from then on is technically, by definition “American Food”.
I mean like you can’t be calling food made by while people “American food” then if a non-white person makes it is not “American”??? Be consistent lmao.
It sounds like your comment is missing some context and nuance. If an immigrant gets US citizenship the US does not then get to claim saag paneer lol
The US could have done something with indigineous food but they did some pretty awful things to those people and refuse to acknowledge much of any of their cultures.
American food is corn syrup.
God damn, finally one of those 2 something for you channels on lemmy! They were funny
American food is whatever I eat in America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I don’t think people really realize how much food has changed in the past few centuries. I was talking with this Pakistani dude and he was telling me about this traditional dish. Like half the ingredients were from the Columbian exchange.
The amount and variety of spices we have is just crazy in a historical context. For most humans for most of human history, meals consisted of grains in a pot, whatever veggies you could scrounge up (which looked very little like they do today), and a little meat if you were lucky.
Same with Italian food. Tomatoes were only introduced to Europe in the 16th century.
Leonardo da Vinci lived his whole life never knowing what a tomato was.
Well at least our Finnish national dish is still traditional. Take cubed beef and pork. Put them in water. Add salt. Put on heat for a sufficient amount of time.
That’s it.
Fancy modern versions have peppers and whatnot but traditionally it’s just salt.
Salt. Don’t forget the SALT
Same thing in Italy. We act like our traditional dishes are something we’ve been eating for centuries while almost all of them became a thing after WWII, during the economic boom, when a lot of people became able to afford a larger variety of ingredients, the cold chain became efficient, and we started to import recipes and food from foreign countries, and anyway the original and popular version of some classics was completely different from what we eat today and consider traditional. It is still true that many dishes are peculiar of our traditional cousine, but the way we act about it is just patriotic nonsense. Pasta itself might be historically considered more of an us italian-american thing than an italian dish
Partner (UK) and I (US) talk about this a lot. I felt this way, but she pointed out to me that the US is astonishingly good at taking dishes from other countries and putting a spin on them, such as changes in texture or combinations. Once I started to pay attention I agreed.
We fry it, add fat, carbs, and/or add sugar.
Done.
It’s also about fusing different cuisines together, to make something new. America is the big melting pot, and that means you end up getting flavor palettes that otherwise wouldn’t have been brought together.
Traditional Mexican food isn’t anywhere near as spicy or as cheesy as Tex-mex, for instance. That’s because Texans took the traditional Mexican cuisine, combined it with American peppers and English+North American aged orange cheeses, and created Tex-mex. Tex-mex also tends to rely on flour instead of corn, because Mexico had red/yellow/white maize (and later, modern yellow corn) while American settlers had wheat.
And then California Mexican food is an entirely different third type of food.
Hell, my favorite local pizza joint sells a chicken tikka masala pizza that is fucking wonderful. We have a really big North Indian population in my area, so lots of the local restaurants have veggie options (India is largely vegetarian) and/or Indian spice blends incorporated into some of their menu items.
Yes! Great demonstrations of what she talks about. The biggest complaint she has is that we will go to a place, let’s say it’s a Vietnamese place, and it will be really good but not at all authentic. She wishes those were called what they are, Vietnamese American Fusion. Like, take pride in this thing you created.
Isn’t chicken Parmesan technically a New York dish?
TIL the chicken parmie is from NY. Although we Aussies have it served with hot chips, salad, and lager, instead of with pasta.
Do you throw some shrimp on the parmie?
I’m sorry, but I couldn’t help myself.
Haha nice one mate. That’s basically a poor man’s surf and turf, right?
Uh, the American flag is on a parody of an Israeli (nose). Yuck eh?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
This might be a bit of a “I recognise that bulge” moment, but: that’s actually the Greek Chad nose, not Jewish Chad nose.
Real phrenology hours
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WTF you talking about? If anything, aquiline noses are associated with Romans, not Jews.
Last panel gets it wrong, though.
Rest of the world totally thinks that there is such a thing as original American food:
High-caloric, hyper-processed junk containing no significant nutritional value but much too much fat, fructose sirup and carcinogenic substances.
That, and watery beer.I had bread that tasted like a cake, and the Pop-Tarts made my teeth jump out of my mouth due to the amount of sugar they were able to concentrate in it. Can’t recommend.
Both 100% American.
The people were very nice though, so that was something.
There is also the American national dish of cereal (frequently meaning lumps of coloured sugar mixed with lumps of different-coloured sugar).
Cereal was made by old man kellog to feed to his insane asylum inmates at his battle creek, mi sanitorium, as a low protein food that would lessen the masturbation of the inmates.
He put mittens on some they could not get off so they did not whack it at night.
He did not run an insane asylum. It was a health resort. The cereal was for people who suffered from upset stomachs which was highly common because people were inflaming their digestive tracks and giving themselves stomach cancer because tonics were popular at the time and were full of crazy shit. Not just opium and other fun stuff.
He was so against sexual gratification he did thing mitten thing for children and a teenagers, also physical restraints but never inmates, closest would be orphanages but also promoted the practice to his playing clientele
Kellog was a crazy religious nut but the kind that wouldn’t even fuck his wife, let alone children like the sickos we’re stuck with today. All in all, I prefer his style of crazy religious nut vs the rapey kind.
It’s not disputed he ran a sanitorium. I don’t get it when people online just refute established fact. There is not any debate, there is a historical record, and it’s not disputed, and Kellog ran a Sanitorium, was obsessed with masturbation, and was a crazy old bitch. Why try and revise that unilaterally? Am I supposed to prove established fact with sources to prove common knowledge? I get my fill of that in politics, I may have to do it with federal agents executing citizens under false pretense, but I will not waste further time on it for this.
Yes it was a sanitarium, it it wasn’t not an insane asylum or a prison. It was a health resort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Creek_Sanitarium
The Battle Creek Sanitarium was a world-renowned health resort in Battle Creek, Michigan, United States.[3] It started in 1866 on health principles advocated by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and from 1876 to 1943 was managed by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg.[4]
I’ve showed you one of my sources, now you show me yours.
I am not arguing settled historical fact. If you want to overturn the historical record, take it up with the historians first.
Settled facts is a weird name for the pop history nonsense.
and promoted circumcision to stop even more masturbation
Fuck kellog. Fuck kellog. Fuck kellog. Fuck kellog. Fuck kellog.
FUCK kellog.
But only if the colors are so vibrant you’d start to believe that you’d been drugged
If one of those colors is red 40 then you have been drugged.
I dont eant to hear anybody shit on our cereal while this abomination is still a thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagelslag
Dudes be eating sprinkles for breakfast and shit on our cereal? Gtfo.
Dude’s coming from a Swedish Lemmy instance, so quite probably is a Swede.
Swedes don’t eat Hagelslag, that’s a Dutch thing, so I guess he is entitled to stay ;-)
The watery beer thing hasn’t been true in 30 years, and generally US beats the entire world for beer these days. Asian beer sucks in general, and Europe can usually only do a couple different styles well.
It seems like it’s just become almost a figure of speech without any meaning these days. The amount of Irish guys I know who will talk about American beer being piss that will then clock out for the day and post up in the pub to suck down Coors Light all night is unreal.
Comment was not about what is, but what the rest of the world thinks it to be.
And that is not fancy West Coast craft beer or so, but Bud Light and Coors, I am afraid…Don’t all countries have mass produced shitty light lagers or pilsners that don’t taste like much? As far as I know all European countries have giant corporations producing shitty beer. The ones I’ve had personally include Amstel, Kronenbourg, Bitburger, Stella, Urquell, etc, and they’re all universally one note with a light taste on the same level as Budweiser.
I wasn’t around to be drinking back when the “US beer is pisswater” stereotype was around, so I’m not sure why the US got singled out. Maybe the Bud and Coors types were all there was so there were no smaller brands to point to as a sign of quality. But if that stereotype is still around it’s from people who’ve been living under a rock for literal decades.
AFAIK, jambalaya, and gumbo are both USAmerican foods.
There’s also whatever the fuck the Midwest is doing, but we don’t talk about them.
Edit: but but
Also burgoo and hot brown, not only uniquely American but uniquely Kentuckian. Each state and territory has their own signature dishes like any other country.
l don’t dispute that (and also that they are probably great - had neither so far, as they are largely unknown here).
It’s just that nobody outside of the States thinks of these when they hear “US food”.
Also: The jello salad is hilarious!
Hadn’t it been a wikipedia link, I would have thought it to be you trying to pull my leg. :-)They’re delicious, and I make them a few times a year.
Yeah, the jello salads are… Something. The sweet ones are great! Fruits, nuts, whipped cream, all of that in jello is fine. It’s when people decide to throw celery and hot dogs in lime jello that it gets more than a little weird.
I just remembered that we have a very similar traditional dish in my home region (although only in the hefty variant with meat and/or vegetables):
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sülze
And I also have to say, Schweinskopfsülze (pig head in aspic) is not as bad is looks, but certainly is an acquired taste… :-)
also barbecue and grilling culture is huge out here. not always fond of the US but damn I love a good cookout
Fusion, mostly. Latino coworker from Texas told me Burritos are neither Mexican nor American, but a beautiful Texas border food fusion. Anecdotal, but the guys son is a professional chef.
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This. Personal favorite example: Tomatoes didn’t appear in Italian food less than a century before modern English started forming. They’re an American vegetable.
Migration and transplanting of cultures has massively increased in the last 100 years though… Shit changed a lot slower in the past.
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If you went back to the time of Leonardo DaVinci you wouldn’t find tomatoes anywhere in Italy. Tomatoes are indigenous to Central America yet today it seems almost impossible to imagine Italian food without tomatoes! The introduction of tomatoes to Italian cooking might’ve been more gradual but the transformation was far greater than anything we see now.
I always laugh when I hear this. You don’t have to imagine Italian food without tomatoes, you could just go to Italy. This whole idea that Italian food uses lots of tomato sauce, or tomatoes in general is a very italian-american thing. There’s tons of Italian food, I might even say the majority of, that doesn’t use tomatoes. It’s really only southern Italy that uses tomatoes. That’s why it became so popular. During the migration to America, it was mostly southern Italians (Sicily, Calabria).
Like this meme, the idea that Italians use tomatoes in everything is mostly an American thing.
Pasta dishes containing tomatoes are eaten in every region of Italy. The two most recognizable Italian dishes in the world are easily spaghetti marinara and pizza Margherita. Northern Italian food, with its cured meats, hard cheeses, risottos, and stews are far less well known and recognizable as Italian cuisine (not to mention distinct from French, Swiss, and Alpine German cuisine) to anyone outside of Europe, not just Americans.
Traditionally spaghetti is a side dish and while true can be served with a tomato sauce, it’s nothing like you see in italian-american dishes, and more commonly used with lighter sauces.
And a margherita pizza, while very much a thing was really only invented at the end of the 19th century and is just one of many styles of neopolitan pizza.
My point isn’t that they don’t use tomatoes in Italy, it’s that this idea that Italian food = heavy tomato sauce is more of an American thing.
Go to Italy and ask for spaghetti and meatballs and see how many restaurants actually have that on the menu.
Italian food = heavy tomato sauce
That wasn’t my original claim. I said it would be impossible to imagine Italian food (as a whole unit) without tomatoes.
You can say a similar thing about Indian food and hot peppers. Yes, there are loads of Indian dishes and staples that don’t have any hot peppers in them but when you ask a random person to think of Indian food they’ll almost certainly be thinking of dishes with mild chilis at the very least.
As a side note, you’ve also confirmed my observation that Italian food is the most heavily-gatekeeped cuisine on the planet, and Italian-American the most disdained.
Cali has amazing not quite Mexican food too.
Yeah, I mean when you have a European power colonize a native area, then the locals take over for a while before the noisy neighbor to the north re-colonizes it, then rebuilds on the labor of people that were already there (Surprise! You’re Americans now!), there’s going to be some back-and-forth culinary Frankensteining going on. For example; the California burrito.
