• kia@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    124
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    8 months ago

    Are you trying to suggest that the guy who thought driving Teslas in tunnels underground was the most efficient method of transportation shouldn’t be trusted with inserting chips into people’s brains?

    • mynachmadarch@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      115
      ·
      8 months ago

      He didn’t actually think it was the most efficient. It’s way worse. He knew he could get a proposed high speed rail line killed so it wouldn’t cut into his car sales. He did not care one bit what happened after it died. Everything else was his PR team.

      • kia@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        23
        ·
        8 months ago

        Oh for sure. He was absolutely sabotaging the proposed train network and it unfortunately worked…

        • olympicyes@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          ·
          8 months ago

          The train from LA to Vegas is under construction. The problem in Vegas is that the casinos don’t want you leaving their property unless you’re headed to another property they also own. Musk’s tunnel just goes to the convention center and is obviously not a serious solution.

    • cmrn@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      18
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      8 months ago

      Oh you thought that was for damage prevention? No it’s actually to make sure it gets wet. I heard the Cybertruck’s trunk department QC’d it.

        • WamGams@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          21
          arrow-down
          27
          ·
          8 months ago

          Euthanasia as in mercy killing?

          Your beef with PETA is that they euthanize sick animals when shelters can’t afford to?

          • TexasDrunk@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            41
            arrow-down
            9
            ·
            8 months ago

            Euthanasia as in animals, no matter the quality of life, adoptability, and years left, are put down by the thousands because they’re inconvenient to keep alive and get adopted while PETA preaches that killing animals is wrong. Also, did you read the bit about them kidnapping animals from kids and old people?

            Plus they’re cowards without the courage of their convictions. When I was growing up their protests included throwing red paint on people in fur but they wouldn’t do it to someone in biker leathers. One got them shunned and laughed at, the other would get them killed like the animals they stole.

            TL;DR their whole schtick is to either destroy others’ property or steal loved members of families who have fur while killing many more animals than they save.

              • pivot_root@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                35
                arrow-down
                5
                ·
                8 months ago

                Consider that any number more than “zero” pets kidnapped and killed by a private entity is too many.

                • WamGams@lemmy.ca
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  13
                  arrow-down
                  22
                  ·
                  8 months ago

                  I am just asking the total number that you are aware of?

                  Is it just 1? Is it 5? Is it 8 million?

          • pivot_root@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            22
            arrow-down
            5
            ·
            8 months ago

            It’s not mercy killing when the animals weren’t suffering and weren’t voluntarily given up. It’s murder for the sake of their agenda.

              • pivot_root@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                24
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                8 months ago

                >you think euthanizing sick animals is bad?
                >PETA euthanizes more than sick animals
                >you think PETA doesn’t euthanize sick animals?

                There isn’t a single thing I can say to convince someone who isn’t arguing in good faith.

                • WamGams@lemmy.ca
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  29
                  ·
                  8 months ago

                  Am I arguing or using the Socratic method?

                  Have you always felt the Socratic method is bad faith, or just when you already have a strong opinion?

      • pivot_root@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        19
        arrow-down
        8
        ·
        edit-2
        8 months ago

        https://petakillsanimals.com/

        TL;DR: Domesticated animals deserve death. More specifically, because they letting them live is “inhumane” because they won’t thrive without human influence—which they’re strictly against.

        IMO: These people are fucking psychopaths.

        Edit: Yes, that specific site is sponsored by the meat industry. I didn’t think it needed to be said, but don’t take sensational topics at face value and read any receipts provided (which they did). Or, use Google and find other sources (that are also probably backed by corporate or political interests). In either case, PETA has made it pretty clear that they’re hypocrites who are euthanizing healthy animals.

        • WamGams@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          11
          arrow-down
          29
          ·
          8 months ago

          Have you stopped eating cows, chickens and pigs? If not, you, like PETA, believes they deserve death.

          But do you have a non biased source not funded by the meat industry?

            • WamGams@lemmy.ca
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              33
              ·
              8 months ago

              So… No, you don’t.

              And like PETA, you also believe certain animals are deserving of death.

              I don’t know, man, I think you might be a future member.

              • pivot_root@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                19
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                8 months ago

                If you had not plugged your metaphorical ears and doubled down on an ad hominem, you would have seen that some of those receipts are self-reported filings from PETA themselves to the government.

                I would link the definition of “ad hominem” for you, but let’s be real: you’re not going to read that either.

                • WamGams@lemmy.ca
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  19
                  ·
                  8 months ago

                  It is an ad hominem to point out that like PETA, you are responsible for the death of animals?

      • stoly@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        8 months ago

        High ideals but no means. They become hoarders and run out of money. Also it’s an org that long ago stopped being healthy.

        • WamGams@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          14
          ·
          8 months ago

          They are out of money?

          How did they stop bring healthy, in your opinion?

          • stoly@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            8 months ago

            I’m saying that they don’t bring in enough money to truly be a no kill org. Essentially they are saying one thing and not doing it themselves.

            As far as the org, it’s my belief that it started out with people who genuinely cared for animal welfare and wanted to do something about it. Over time the psychos edged out the good folk and now we get idiots breaking into university primate labs and releasing monkeys on the street.

            • WamGams@lemmy.ca
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              15
              ·
              8 months ago

              Are they still doing that? I haven’t heard about anything recently.

              My understanding is they have been following the laws while other more extreme groups are now doing the extreme work.

              My understanding could very well be wrong though.

              • stoly@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                8 months ago

                Frankly I’ve not paid attention over recent years so we may both be wrong here.

  • Blackmist@feddit.uk
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    34
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    8 months ago

    If you saw the build quality of Teslas, and his handling of Twitter, and him calling a diver a paedo, and you still thought “I should let that man perform medical experiments on me”, then you probably fucking deserve it tbh.

    Just go for it. What’s the worst that can happen? You get double brain damage?

    • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      8 months ago

      Eh. He’s an asshole of the highest order but I imagine some people are willing to take the risk, given the impact it could have on their lives.

      I’m talking people who just exist at the moment and something like this might be beneficial to them.

      To be 100% clear, because yall some bitches at times. I find Elon an abhorrent person. Twitter is wank, Tesla is dead in the water and the boring company is just that.

    • lobut@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      8 months ago

      I think it’s 'cause we know more about him. I think if we knew he was a whimsical dude and legitimately trying to help people instead of enriching himself, we’d see these pics and give him a bit more of a pass.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    8 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    But anyone who’s ready to raise their hands for brain surgery might want to hear what one of the Neuralink co-founders recently said during an interview with the Wall Street Journal.

    The Wall Street Journal podcast The Future of Everything recently sat down with Dr. Benjamin Rapoport, a neurosurgeon who co-founded Neuralink with Musk and a team of scientists back in 2016.

    Rapoport left Neuralink to start his own company called Precision Neuroscience and one specific part of the interview really stood out to us.

    Brain-computer interfaces have made tremendous strides in the past decade, allowing people to literally control machines with their thoughts.

    Companies like Musk’s Neuralink tend to get all the headlines, but there are a number of firms, including Synchron, Paradromics, and Precision Neuroscience.

    Neuralink has received plenty of criticism over the years, with MIT Technology Review calling it “neuroscience theater” back in 2020, and horrifying allegations of monkey torture were revealed in 2022.


    The original article contains 608 words, the summary contains 157 words. Saved 74%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    12
    ·
    8 months ago

    On one hand, yea I don’t want brain damage. On the other hand, if it means I can move robotic limbs after being paralyzed, maybe it’s still worth it?

    Like the idea of having neural interfaces that don’t penetrate the brain is obviously great, but if that tech doesn’t come for another 50 years, what are the current people going to do instead?

    I’m not on the waiting list for Neuralink, but if I’m gonna be honest, the hate for it is over amplified.

    • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      8 months ago

      if it means I can move robotic limbs after being paralyzed, maybe it’s still worth it?

      I don’t mind the progress in science and technology.

      I don’t mind sacrificing some animals for that goal.

      The really terrible thought is that Elon is allowed to decide these things.

      • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        8 months ago

        Is it terrible that Elon can decide these things? Because no one else is as close to succeeding, and Elon’s not forcing me to do it

        • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          8 months ago

          Yes. He is famous for childish & narcissistic & choleric behaviour and nobody should trust him with any serious stuff.

            • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              8 months ago

              No need to ‘address’ thin air.

              Experts are doing things. Elon isn’t doing things (except boasting his ego and manipulate people’s feelings etc)

    • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      8 months ago

      I don’t think the concept is bad. I take a medicine that may give me cognition problems when I’m very old, but it’s remarkably effective for me right now and provides a significant quality of life improvement. So, I’ve chosen to stay on it.

      That’s different I think though from Neuralink as it is today. There need to be stringent safety measures in place and controls on testing. We’ve come a long way on neurology, but we still have a lot we don’t understand.