Oh this is some bullshit. Anyone know of a decent FOSS(ish) alternative?
Ente Auth
Aegis
I’ve heard Aegis being mentioned.
ive used it for months, no issues at all
I have been usingnit for Ages, haven’t had a problem.
Been using it for years. No issues at all.
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Used for years. The best.
Fuck Microslop and fuck Google.
So win win.
Unfortunately not for me. I use Graphene and my company uses M$croslop.
Can’t use freeOPT?
Not sure about this one, but many don’t expose the key used to generate the codes, it’s linked to your user.
So it’s not trivial/possible to use a FOSS alternative.
This happens with okta too.
It’s a dark pattern but you can use any MFA provider with Microsoft services.
Not necessarily. Microsoft’s authenticator has an option where you have to tap a notification to approve, which isn’t a standard TOTP thing. If your company requires that version of MFA, you pretty much have to use Microsoft’s authenticator.
Aw shit, this sucks because my company uses this authentication method.
I guess when the change finally happens I’ll just be saying ‘you owe me a phone for this’. Absolutely no way i am going back to Android just for this on my personal phone.
One possible workaround is to add more options to your security info in your work account. For example, I added my number and also a specific password as an option last year when I moved onto Graphene and had to update that info. Would that be an option?
Unsure if that would even work or if those options are more for account recovery (when no longer have access to a specific device)
If it cane down to it, I’m sure you could find an old phone or tablet to use just for that for work.
Yeah, this is what might be the final outcome
If i say give me a phone and they say “no, come into the office instead of working from home”, I will produce an old phone faster than ya could blink lol
The crazy part is the old phone will be orders of magnitude less secure than your current one.
Old phone with remote desktop.
Works like a charm for many of these types of things. You can also forward notifications into NTFY or Matrix.
You can use a different authenticator with M$ accounts. Just choose to set up with a different app. Aegis is nice.
Iam using aegis for my private logins. As I understand does Aegis not support MS Entra Logins.
I believe there’s an admin option to allow 3rd party TOTP generators, so perhaps your IT admin turned it off. M$ doesn’t make it a terribly conspicuous option when setting up 2FA as well.
Gursd they’ll have to buy you a work phone
No they haven’t . I get every month money for using my device for work (bring your own device).
Work stuff should be on a work phone.
I don’t understand why either the worker or the company would ever allow the use of personal devices for work.
Some businesses don’t pay for phones but agreed
That’s their point. If the company requires you to use a phone, they need to provide it.
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You don’t want to work for a cheap company.
That’s dangerous thinking; “if I don’t then someone else will.” That’s a common excuse that thieves use. And it’s you doing the work of your oppressor.
Standing up for what you believe in isn’t always easy, but it’s always the right choice.
Because they are cheap and their tech lead is probably incompetent.
This is Walmart in a nutshell. A majority of the work phones at my store (used for stuff like inventory management) are Samsung Galaxy XCover Pros from like 2016. They were trash the day they released and they’re especially trash now. The company is very slowly replacing them with Pixel 8s (like one every six months comes in). It is legitimately frustrating.
my work pays my cell phone bill if I install Microsoft teams, and frankly that’s a pretty good deal
With that money, get a second one and it’s it only during work ours. Doesn’t even need connection, use WiFi of tethering.
that sounds annoying. I’d rather just have it all on the same device. I can enable and disable work apps on a schedule if I’m bothered. I don’t want to deal with two devices really
If youre in the US and your company is paying your phone bill, they are legally allowed to access your location via cell towers at any given moment. That, in combination with the fact that they can also legally take the phone from you (You have company trade secrets on that device if you install their software), I dont see the point in risking not having a 2nd device.
you’re gonna have to cite some sources here because I don’t think there is actually a legal requirement for these things.
the work apps require Internet access to even open and the contents are encrypted. this has all been figured out
So didn’t have to instsll intune or anything?
Not all works would allow it, but why not Graphene on work phones.
What happens if the worker doesn’t have a smartphone, or has one, it breaks and they don’t have money to buy another for while, or what if they install a random app that encrypts their mailbox?
Even if you live in a 3rd world country where employers can force it, it’s a stupid decision for the business.
I don’t understand your line of questioning. If a bad thing happens then a bad thing happens. Potential for bad things indeed makes companies likely to lock down devices if they provide them, hence the qualifier “not all works would allow it.” From an employee perspective, if you have the freedom to do it then more secure OS is more secure.
I can tell you what we do. Here’s your yubikey. Then most find a new phone after a couple weeks.
MS MFA allows to use a different Authenticator App. On the step called “Start by getting the app” you just need to press the blue text above the “next” button which spells “I want to use a different authenticator app”, there you can use whatever you prefer, even WinAuth works with this method.
I’ve used the FOSS app Aegis on Android for MFA of what I think was a Microsoft login (it was a website for a railway technical authority in the UK).
The app is on fdroid:
This depends on settings I think. I’ve had that option not being available on a certain client where I could only use their authenticator app.
My school_requires_ MS authentication and removed this ability and broke any third party authenticators currently in use.
Great, so you have nothing to worry about, unless your Graphene phone is rooted. (Which would defeat the entire point)
The article is shit. Microsoft is not blocking any GrapheneOS. It is only blocking rooted phones.
“root detection” is not actually detecting root as that is very difficult it’s detecting an unlocked bootloader or modified software that didn’t come on your phone(like a custom rom such as graphene os)
So does mine, and Oracle… But that just means no slop installed
Do they mandate the use of MS Authenticator specifically, though?
The option to add that restriction is definitely there, but it’s worth checking your account settings to see if it’ll let you use a different MFA option.
That doesn’t make sense to me, afaiu :
GrapheneOS is NOT rooted by default, and they explicit recommend NOT to do it, because it invalidates a huge part of their privacy guarantees.
Yeah, and Microsoft policy is just about rooted phones.
There isn’t any reason to mention GrapheneOS, unless it is to generate unwarranted outrage.
Which seems to be working on a lot of folk on here.
Well it could just be part of the collective corporate alliance that will always do anything they can to make any kind of freedom cost more for everyone. GrapheneOS is taking your freedom and not feeding on the corporate-issued fodder, and well, they don’t like that. So this is just one more small difficulty added to that choice.
This kind of thing is only the beginning. It won’t be long before absolutely nothing will work on any freedom-oriented OS, software, hardware etc.
Some fires need to start, and soon.
privacy guarantees
security guarantees, not privacy guarantees.
With root you can actually control what kind of things each app does and stores, and check what data it transmits to remote servers. But it also breaks/weakens the android security model, where apps can do, store or transmit stuff protected from the eyes of the user of the phone.
Interesting considering grapheneOS does not actually support rooting.
This is the thing that kills me about the corporate anti-GrapheneOS sentiment. It is 100% a more secure phone, and yet every measure they implement against it cites security as a reason. Total and absolute bullshit.
Because it isn’t really about security. It is about control.
I mean, they argue against rooted phones as a security reason, but my rooted phones used to be much more secure than they were when they were stock.
Just more of the same idiots ruining shit for everybody.
Which means the entire article is bullshit.
It literally states that Microsoft changes its policy to not allow rooted devices. So GrapheneOS has nothing to worry. It doesn’t affect them. Why does the article mention it then at all?
Seems like a clickbait article
Which means the entire article is bullshit.
Not necessarily. It could just be that Microsoft’s “root” detection is misnamed or poorly implemented. They would not be alone in either case.
Now this is shitty. Our company allows only authentication with the app, and I was really happy to give up the shitty phone they offered and just carry one.
I saw the news earlier this or last week, but as my grapheneos is not rooted, didnt think much of it.
This is what I fear will happen to GOS on Motos. Google decides to mark them as rooted so buh-bye banking apps and others that require a “secure” os.
Except they’re not rooted - GOS devs don’t even approve of root usage
It doesn’t matter if they are or not. Google can deem them modified or not secure devices and they can do fuck all about it.
The difference being that Motorola is a well established device manufacturer and not just a community project with minimal funding. Google using play integrity to exclude a competitor could be very easily seen as an abuse of market power and they already have problems with antitrust laws.
Not with the current trump administration. They can do whatever they want
other countries exist
Always has been.
Banking on a phone is insecure, and this is one reason. Never use banking on mobile.
Don’t see how banking on phone is anybless secure then a computer.
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How long is your password on your phone? How long is your password on your computer?
Each banking app usually has a separate password you have to set and every transaction requires some form of authorisation.
You could make an argument about security concerns in regards to biometric scanners in phones, but short passwords are a universal thing for people that dont care.
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Oh no
Anyway
Microslop authenticator might not work for my zero Microslop accounts, lack of Microslop sloperating system, OR their piece of shit cloud platform that I refuse to touch?
WHAT WILL I DO
Honestly thank you for posting this. Lest I would’ve lost my Google and Microslop account.
Use your work phone.
I don’t need a Microsoft account and if Google insists, I will kill my account with them as well.
Cool, the fewer people using Microslop apps, the better.
I don’t think there is a single person that has installed Microsoft authenticator by choice.
Especially not someone on graphene OS.
That’s fine.
Any job that wants you to use certain software can provide a device it’ll run on for you.
Yep! You want me to use your microslop on your hardware at your company, fine.
A company that has you use your personal device is an awful company and huge red flags in terms of privacy.
and it goes in an old microwave in the laundry room when not in use. right? this isn’t crazy in this day and age is it?
IS IT???
Trunk of the car is fine if you just head straight home. That’s out of mic range. And your employer is going to know your home address anyway so location access is whatever.
Bring it inside when you go on a road trip.
Amen to that. Even if your computers will run it, provide the device. I’m not installing shit on my home computers.
My job has suggested it to me. I say “you know how all these computers run Windows?” They nod. “Mine doesn’t. It’s a Mac.” That usually shuts them up. Never mind that most of what we run will, in fact, run on a Mac, and there’s very little a shitty Wintel box mass produced for the enterprise can do that my Mac can’t do. I mean, I can run Deus Ex natively on the work computer, if I wanna catch hell for it. (But it would be fucking hilarious, especially if I’m at the part where JC Denton hands in his “resignation.”)
I mean…okay?
I have a work phone for this exact reason.
work phone stays on my desk. I have removed the microphones. I turn it on at the start of every day, and turn it off at the end of every day.
good luck with that plan Microslop. looks like Microslop is trending too!
You physically removed the mics from your work phone? Damn, that’s dedication.
I wouldn’t call that a phone at that point
it still does Bluetooth.
my headset is dual paired to it and my work laptop.
Fuck em. I just got grapheneOS and I advised my workplace we will need a workaround for authenticator.
That’s cool. Guess my company is going to have to send me a new phone.
Use Aegis.
The MS Authenticator contains telemetry and should not be used.
Anybody have a good reason to not use Authy? I’ve seen Aegis mentioned quite a bit but nobody supporting/dunking on Authy. I thought they were one of the more popular choices.
Authy also doesn’t work on GrapheneOS.
EDIT: And Authy scrapped their desktop apps. I’m using ente instead.
That makes sense. Thanks! I don’t use graphene but I do use authy and wondered if I should be reconsidering my choices 😅
Authy is closed source and owned by Twilio, a publicly-traded company.
Aegis is FOSS.
Do what you will with this info.
Seems like Authy doesn’t have a feature to export to another app. Guess you re-enable 2fa on each account to move to something like aegis.
That’s exactly what I did. It was a pain because I have so many 2FA-enabled accounts, but it was absolutely worth it.
Agree for personal use.
Professionally I’ve had situations where Ms authenticator was the only option because the only 2FA they allow is push notifications on the authenticator app. :(
I even used freeotp+ for my ORG 2FA and aegis for my personal so I could easily keep them split ( and you can export / securely store the backups somewhere ).
Time to get corps to ditch Microsoft >.>
Professionally I’ve had situations where Ms authenticator was the only option because the only 2FA they allow is push notifications on the authenticator app.
If a company requires me to install specific apps that may or may not work on my device, I expect that company to provide me with a device that can be set up for their stuff. Or an alternative, like a hardware RSA token.
I’ve run two separate phones for nearly 15 years now: my personal phone, and a work-issued phone. The work phone is turned off and left on my night stand as soon as I get home, and only turned on again when I’m getting ready to go back to work. I don’t carry it 24/7 as some have been led to believe, for some reason. It’s really nice to have that separation. And work pays for it.
We do need to get corps to move away from closed source protocols like MS, Google, Meta and others push notifications though. Those are not in anyway safer and are just basically trap to force people to use their apps
