Anything that deals more directly with the issue than the past of the founder of one associated organization? “One of the guys saying it is bad, so it isn’t true” doesn’t work well on the people I argue with.
It’s very hard to prove a negative, especially to people who want to believe, thanks to over a century of anticommunist propaganda. The burden of proof ought to be on those making claims of secret foreign police stations on their soil, an extraordinary claim. All those articles are trash and have no real evidence. And they don’t need any, because almost no Westerners demand any, because the narrative aligns with their preconception of communist states as cartoonishly evil.
It was my understanding that the existence of police stations in foreign countries is not debated, they have them. The allegation that they are used for repressive purposes beyond their stated aim of providing administrative services to citizens living abroad is what is controversial. It really seems like, when you cut all the baggage away, all we have is testimonials from expats claiming harassment and assurances from the MFA that it never happened, so I struggle to land firmly on one side of belief considering both parties have historically been loose with the truth.
It was my understanding that the existence of police stations in foreign countries is not debated, they have them.
No, that’s not a thing. What country allows another country to have police stations on its sovereign territory, where it has sovereign jurisdiction and the foreign country has none? That makes no sense.
I was under an impression that it was always “police station” with the quotes, to make it more sinister or smthing (and it was sold as something unlicensed by the country where ir was repoeted, obviously)
But the Evil Empire did prosecute someone in the case of those stations, as far as I can tell with no verdicts yet - but it seems to be some PIs?
It is widely known and actually mentioned in the article you linked above. You also read the Chinese government’s explanation for their existence if you search the MFA website for 海外警务服务中心
Correct, and those abroad too.
I know this because a US government-funded “independent” think tank told me so.
You know the stories of secret overseas Chinese police stations were fake news, right?
I was hoping this had been debunked, any (non-CCP affiliated) sources for this?
False Witnesses and Sinister Plots: Exposing the CIA Connection in the ‘Chinese Police Station’ Narrative
Inb4 they drop the zionist media bias fact “checker” link 😂
Anything that deals more directly with the issue than the past of the founder of one associated organization? “One of the guys saying it is bad, so it isn’t true” doesn’t work well on the people I argue with.
It’s very hard to prove a negative, especially to people who want to believe, thanks to over a century of anticommunist propaganda. The burden of proof ought to be on those making claims of secret foreign police stations on their soil, an extraordinary claim. All those articles are trash and have no real evidence. And they don’t need any, because almost no Westerners demand any, because the narrative aligns with their preconception of communist states as cartoonishly evil.
Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of “Brainwashing”
It was my understanding that the existence of police stations in foreign countries is not debated, they have them. The allegation that they are used for repressive purposes beyond their stated aim of providing administrative services to citizens living abroad is what is controversial. It really seems like, when you cut all the baggage away, all we have is testimonials from expats claiming harassment and assurances from the MFA that it never happened, so I struggle to land firmly on one side of belief considering both parties have historically been loose with the truth.
No, that’s not a thing. What country allows another country to have police stations on its sovereign territory, where it has sovereign jurisdiction and the foreign country has none? That makes no sense.
I was under an impression that it was always “police station” with the quotes, to make it more sinister or smthing (and it was sold as something unlicensed by the country where ir was repoeted, obviously)
But the Evil Empire did prosecute someone in the case of those stations, as far as I can tell with no verdicts yet - but it seems to be some PIs?
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/private-investigator-sentenced-prison-interstate-stalking-and-harassment-chinese-nationals
[https://www.mfa.gov.cn/fyrbt_673021/jzhsl_673025/202211/t20221102_10797427.shtml](A briefing by MFA spokesman Zhao Lijian)
It is widely known and actually mentioned in the article you linked above. You also read the Chinese government’s explanation for their existence if you search the MFA website for 海外警务服务中心