Both of those sound kinda dystopian. Because you just know the first one will start getting gamed by every company from the grocery companies trying to SEO the AI, to the big fossil fuel companies trying to get you to drive your car more.
You think the world will be better when literally anyone can create convincing misinformation and propaganda? Personally I prefer when that power is limited, even if there are still powerful entities that can do it
I think everything gets better when it’s less centralized. What does this “misinformation and propaganda” actually attack? A system so weak that it can’t be defended against lies?
I think everything gets better when it’s less centralized
Would it be better if everyone had access to nuclear weapons? Or biohazards?
Some things in this world, the fewer people that have access to them, the better. In a perfect world, we might have nobody have access to those things, but I’ll settle for few rather than many.
It’s not a straw man. My point was that some things should not be completely democratized and have zero barrier to entry. You need a license to drive a car or buy a gun (in the civilized parts of the world anyway), so why should you be able to mass produce psychological warfare materials to sow disinformation without any friction or barrier to entry?
I can’t wait for the technology to get basic enough where I can roll my own self hosted instance of it without it taking months. Because I can see a way it’s doable without a centralized service to get around that. But for mass consumer level, I can see that becoming true. But this can be applied to every bit of software currently. All of it can be ran by you, if you have time. Hell I’ve got my own cloud (hosted at my home ) music streaming service.
A lot of that is doable now - like, how many grocery stores are even nearby to someone, so writing a custom bit of code to check the website of each, one by one, and looking for previously manually-identified items could be automated.
One major downside is prioritization of large chain stores at the expense of smaller mom & pop ones that don’t maintain a constant inventory system accessible via the web. Someone could even volunteer their time to build them a database backend, but still they’d have to see the value in actually scanning the items every time or else it would quickly fall behind.
That’s precisely what I was thinking, but reflecting more on it, I don’t know how well it would handle the webpages, so maybe some other languages mixed in too (I’m out of date, maybe PHP?). If AI writing code worked it would lower the barrier, but I’m not certain we’re quite there yet to trust anything it would create.
Python web scraping is just fine, with the llms you.have the option of either extracting the html and having the LLM read.over that, or having a vision ai OCR the page and make its own decision of what to extract.
In other words, we need to recognize that the real problem is that companies will always try to game the system for product differentiation/market segmentation purposes, so the real solution is for the government to create and enforce standards.
Both of those sound kinda dystopian. Because you just know the first one will start getting gamed by every company from the grocery companies trying to SEO the AI, to the big fossil fuel companies trying to get you to drive your car more.
How is making a picture of me as an astronaut “dystopian”?
The same technology can be used for widespread, low-cost, highly convincing misinformation and propaganda campaigns
The moon landing wasn’t faked, but I was there instead of Neil Armstrong. See these pics?
Ah yes, the world was so much better when misinformation and propaganda could only be spread by well funded entities!
You think the world will be better when literally anyone can create convincing misinformation and propaganda? Personally I prefer when that power is limited, even if there are still powerful entities that can do it
I think everything gets better when it’s less centralized. What does this “misinformation and propaganda” actually attack? A system so weak that it can’t be defended against lies?
Would it be better if everyone had access to nuclear weapons? Or biohazards?
Some things in this world, the fewer people that have access to them, the better. In a perfect world, we might have nobody have access to those things, but I’ll settle for few rather than many.
I know this one, this is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Anyway, I think it would be better if a SINGLE PERSON couldn’t launch nukes, decentralization would absolutely be better.
It’s not a straw man. My point was that some things should not be completely democratized and have zero barrier to entry. You need a license to drive a car or buy a gun (in the civilized parts of the world anyway), so why should you be able to mass produce psychological warfare materials to sow disinformation without any friction or barrier to entry?
Uses tons of energy which could ironically be used to get you to space for real (a lot more energy but at least you get a real experience).
I can’t wait for the technology to get basic enough where I can roll my own self hosted instance of it without it taking months. Because I can see a way it’s doable without a centralized service to get around that. But for mass consumer level, I can see that becoming true. But this can be applied to every bit of software currently. All of it can be ran by you, if you have time. Hell I’ve got my own cloud (hosted at my home ) music streaming service.
A lot of that is doable now - like, how many grocery stores are even nearby to someone, so writing a custom bit of code to check the website of each, one by one, and looking for previously manually-identified items could be automated.
One major downside is prioritization of large chain stores at the expense of smaller mom & pop ones that don’t maintain a constant inventory system accessible via the web. Someone could even volunteer their time to build them a database backend, but still they’d have to see the value in actually scanning the items every time or else it would quickly fall behind.
Yeah, it wouldn’t be a huge lift if you’re familiar with python.
Done!
That’s precisely what I was thinking, but reflecting more on it, I don’t know how well it would handle the webpages, so maybe some other languages mixed in too (I’m out of date, maybe PHP?). If AI writing code worked it would lower the barrier, but I’m not certain we’re quite there yet to trust anything it would create.
Python web scraping is just fine, with the llms you.have the option of either extracting the html and having the LLM read.over that, or having a vision ai OCR the page and make its own decision of what to extract.
Yeah I was going to say, I’ve done similar for clients with regards to competitor pricing
In other words, we need to recognize that the real problem is that companies will always try to game the system for product differentiation/market segmentation purposes, so the real solution is for the government to create and enforce standards.