The USA has been the largest economy in the world since 1870-1890. By 1913 they were more than twice the size of their nearest global rival. The USA has been a world power for a long time, they just used to be a bit more isolationist, they should go back to doing that.
The 996 work practices do still continue and are just an extreme example of how terrible working conditions are across China. I would much rather work less hours for more money in better conditions that are available in the EU as the bare minimum by law. This goes to the quality of life issue, Europeans have more time off work to spend with family and friends.
The purchasing powers of the Chinese people are increasing year on year (as are European who started at a much higher level but obviously can not increase at the same rate.) but the problem with China is that they are likely as a population to get old before they get rich. China faces demographic collapse over the next 50 years due to the disastrous one child policy. Demographics is destiny.
unless you believe healthcare, education and paid leave are treated the same uniformly. Not every country in the EU is like Sweden or Germany.
Some countries like Sweden offer their citizens extraordinary social benefits so it would be unfair to compare them to most countries. My point is that the EU minimum worker protections are orders of magnitude above anything in China. The EU does a much better job protecting the dignity of its work force than the “people’s party” in power in China.
You could even get 100% of your panels, it’s what total percentage of energy production that amounts to overall that matters.
Come on buddy, my 5 year old could formulate a better sentence than this. I can’t even make out what you are trying to say with your nonsensical drivel.
Absolutely incredible that needs to be spelled out for you. Let me try using an example that somebody with your mental prowess might be able to comprehend
Then you have the cheek to follow up your poor English with insults of my intelligence. The hypocrisy is hilarious.
but that’s still only 1% of your total power generation mix.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong, maybe try a bit of research before you open your mouth. Almost 50% of EU electricity generation in 2024 was from renewables.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20250702-1
Last I checked, China isn’t part of the EU.
Never said it was Einstein,
if they want to sell to the EU the rules apply and China is relying heavily on increasing EU trade now that the USA has tariffs on China.
You sure love providing sources for your claims. That’s what makes them so believable.
The only source you provided was a 4 year old article from a rag of tabloid, “Business Insider”, as if that held any weight or credibility. I do not count that as a particularly reliable source.
This article uses stats from UBS global wealth report 2025.
Chinese people’s high relative wealth is due to high property ownership rates in the country, about 90%. The people in China only actually own the buildingz the government owns all the land, leasing it out for 70 years at a time with no guarantee of renewal. In Ireland I own my house and the ground under it until I sell it.
When the whole world is your enemy, maybe you’re the problem
Incorrect again my friend, the UN votes on the Russian war proves this. Not even China votes to support Russia, they typically abstain like the cowards they are.
Smug eurotrash deserve everything that’s coming to you.
There is is, the chip on your shoulder, lol. Have a great day buddy.
You’re very misinformed on worker rights on China
Am I now? I don’t think so, next you will tell me that 996 isn’t a thing?
Europe isn’t consistent in worker rights internally
You tell me that I am misinformed about Chinese worker rights and you go and drop this gem straight after. It’s like you didn’t even know that there are EU worker rights that apply consistently across the whole EU. The basic rights in the EU are far higher than anything in China.
like when you made the brilliant decision not to invest in solar and wind from China.
Starting off your response with false information from your previous comment that I already disproved is an interesting choice mate. Over 50% of China’s solar and wind exports go to the EU and the EU sources 98% of its solar panels from China. Doesn’t fit your world view though does it?
And you keep using this word, illegal, I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Illegal state aid, as in state aid that is against EU laws, keep up buddy, not that complicated!
China is absolutely dependent on energy imports. One business insider article from 2022 that compares China to Europe, including regions like Turkey that are not in the EU. The Chinese median wealth is close to the lower end of EU countries like Poland and Romania and nowhere close to the higher end which are 10-15 times higher than China. You’re a great man for the misinformation, nice try though!
The world is a very different place now to 5 years ago. China has shown by backing Russia in the war against Ukraine that they are an enemy to the EU. Expect more trade walls to go up between EU/USA and China as we divert our trade away from China over the next few decades. China shouldn’t have bitten the hand that feeds it, the rabid wolf warriors need to sit down.
EU is not really an export power in any meaningful sense
Are you sure buddy? The only powers who can compete with the EU by value are China and the USA. Come correct if you are going to bother at all.
Every block is free to run their internal economy as they see fit but every other block is also free to set rules on what it determines to be illegal state aid. Sticking to the example of cars but this is also true for other Chinese industries, the whole point of the Chinese illegal state aid is to corner the international manufacturing market degrading competitors manufacturing ability before then increasing the price to profitable levels.
Europe does not need to emulate China because China is not winning in any meaningful sense against Europe. China points to its impressive year on year GDP increases without acknowledging the low levels it started at. EU GDP per capita is still 3-4 times Chinese so even at their rapid rates of growth they will not come anywhere near EU levels in our lifetimes. This is before we even consider the difference in quality of life, Chinese workers regularly doing 996 schedules with the EU having a 40 hour workweek. The EU also has a better social safety net of unemployment, pension benefits, medical, worker legal protections, food safety, I could go on all day here.
The EU dependency on Russia for energy could have been described as stupid, the current dependency on the USA is a direct result of this previous bad decision and will not be rectified overnight.
he EU kept paying lip service to the idea of going green, but refused to invest into stuff like wind and solar because it came from China.
What are you on about, the EU has purchased more than 50% of China’s exports of solar panels and wind turbines , with 98% of the EUs solar panel imports coming from China. When you need to make stuff up to back up your point it’s probably not a very good one.
The Russian invasion of Ukraine is now in its 5th year with Russian army just a few KM from where they started in 2022. It is pretty clear that Russia has already failed in Ukraine.
Now Russia has started calling in universities to start forcing the bottom 2% of college students to sign up for the army as drone operators in a sure sign that Russia is struggling to get the required numbers to sign up to die for mother Russia.
Russia has been on the back foot and losing territory for 2 months now, I would be surprised to see Russia come back from this shift in momentum now. I think the Iran war will not be a big enough distraction to steady the ship for Russia.
It is more than “racism and notions of white supremacy”, EU and China are both exporting and manufacturing powers. China recently moved into exporting the high value manufacturing products like cars which are a large part of the EUs economy making both blocks rivals.
The Chinese government is using state subsidies to tip the balance further in the favour of Chinese manufacturers. This is just one example from one industry, this pattern is repeated by China across the board. The government is well within its rights to do this but the EU is equally well within its rights to protect its own economy from a form of trade war. It is incredibly reductive to just play the racism card while ignoring the real issues.
The kindergarten joke was the entire point of the comment.
In your rush to get mean dig in on the previous commenter, you willfully misunderstood or misinterpreted their point.
Unluckily, the next probe is set for Uranus…
Immigrants? You have no idea what you are talking about, Von Braun is a good old American name.
Does this link work for anyone? Little bit of research suggests that “swentr” is a domain Russian state propaganda is using to get around sanctions on RT and Sputnik.
I swear Russian propaganda was much better earlier in the war. I wonder are they running out of time, money or people because this is just weak.
Israelis have been actively slaughtering innocent women and children in Palestine for years now with the public cheering on, they have started an unprovoked war with Iran by bombing a school killing 150 little girls. This is just a tiny sample of Israel’s recent crimes. Is it any wonder the world has little sympathy for them? About the same amount that we had for the Nazis after all of their war crimes. Get fucked Israel, go eat several bags of dicks.
Mmm yes please daddy Trump. I get that his job as head of NATO is to placate and plamas the orange orangutan in charge of its strongest force but NATO is a defensive organisation and this is a poorly justified war of aggression.
Even Trump’s own intelligence chiefs have disputed the nuclear rationale, the only credible explanation for why the USA is at war with Iran is because Israel told them to.
Britain and their drawing of lines in the sand is absolutely responsible for plenty of the shittiness we see around us in the world today. Total coward power move by Britain to try and weasel out of all of the trouble their colonialism has caused.
Without the Balfour declaration we would not have had the Zionist colonial settling of mandatory Palestine. The local Arabs fought for their freedom from the Ottoman empire during WW2 and were double crossed by the British who wanted the land for themselves and a little bit for the French for some reason. The British know more than anyone how the process of colonialism works being the best in the world at it. They were also aware how viciously settler colonials tend to treat the native people when settling a new land, they just didn’t care because they had their own greedy motivations.
Britain had a huge part to play in stoking tensions between the local Palestinian communities and the newly arrived settler Jews using their time honoured “divide and conquer” strategy.
Britain and their colonial fuckery is a huge part of the Israel story.
Are you talking about the Polish guy who is president of the expansionist settler colonial state called Israel in the Middle East?
Netenyahu is not even his real name, it was changed to sound more Middle Eastern. His real family name is Mileikowsky, lots of the Zionists changed their names in order to attempt to sound like they are from the area they are colonising despite not having a drip of Levantine DNA.
This dude gets all his information from conspiracy theory channels on telegram like a true intellectual.
Can’t believe I’m getting shade from the dude who can’t even read the contradictions he wrote himself. Your argument style seems to involve attempting to insult your way out of the corners you back yourself into.
It was not, because the proxy war is going so great that there’s no unanimous agreement on funding it anymore.
It was agreed back in February, that Orban fella who previously agreed to the deal in December is now backing out and attempting to veto the deal. Luckily Orban is a lame duck, he will be gone on April 12th where he is predicted to lose the election by double digit points. So long to the fat Russian stooge.
The only thing shrinking here is your peanut sized brain.
Live in denial all you want but it is clear that there are two economies at the moment in Russia, the war economy and the civilian one. The civilian economy is currently being cannibalised to support the war economy. Sky high interest rates and persistent inflation have lead to businesses in Russia closing at an ever increasing rate.
Less than 8% of the overall economy but keep on braying.
As you keep on ignoring all of the manpower committed to the war effort and hundreds of billions in equity given to the MIC. Even without that, 8% of GDP is absolutely significant. Keep huffing that copium, makes everything better I suppose.
It really is laughable how Europe managed to destroy itself in a war with Russia once again.
The same Europe that is yet to lose a man is somehow destroyed. Most of Europe has genuinely forgot the war is even happening. I haven’t heard it mentioned in years, people in Europe really don’t give a shit about the war any more and certainly haven’t noticed Europe “destroying itself”. Hilarious hyperbole.
You should let Ukrainians know ASAP, seems like you have a better understanding of the war than they do
The Telegraph is a right wing tabloid, they have consistently backed the Russian viewpoint in this war and have zero credibility. The article is also behind a pay wall, I am not going out of my way to read this article that I am sure you have not even read.
Ah yes, the guy who thinks that war of attrition is about territory is now lecturing on the distinction between WW1 and WW2.
If all else fails pull out a straw man eh buddy, much easier to fight than a real opponent. I just pointed out that Ukraine took back 10% of Russia’s 2025 gains in the last month. You then screamed that it was a war of attrition that I didn’t understand and that somehow losing territory is good for Russia? We’ve all been watching Russian soldiers being blown to bits in large groups for the last month. The only country attriting it’s troops en masse is Russia. This fundamental intellectual dishonesty is why Russia are going to lose this war. They can’t even be honest with themselves.
Also, love how you’re dumb enough to think your oligarch owned media isn’t propaganda bud.
I literally say “mainstream media is brain rot” where you yourself quoted me directly below where you say this statement. Your reading comprehension is so bad I’m sure they have a category in the Special Olympics for people like you.
Ah yes, that’s why the EU is now struggling to approve another 90 billion for the proxy war.
But that was approved.
Show me a single fox article I linked lying little shit.
Whoosh! This one obviously went right over your head. It’s a term of phrase for people who get all their news from mainstream media, usually older people.
that Russian industry has actually been growing to fill the niches left by western companies leaving.
Russian industry outside of the mitary industrial estate complex is shrinking. Russia has not miraculously created a successful perfect “juche” economy in 4 years, they have just become dependent on China for all the things they used to buy from Europe, USA and the allies sanctioning Russia. Have a look at North Korea for Russia’s future.
What I actually said was that military spending in Russia accounts for a small part of the overall economy
40% of all government spending on the military + the $100s of billions in loans to defence contractors from commercial banks + all of the able bodied men committed is not a small part of the economy by any description.
Wars of attrition aren’t about taking ground, but clearly you lack cognitive capacity to get that through that thick skull of yours
Laughable that Russia, the supposed second military in the world ended up in such a war on their border with Ukraine.
Russian goal is the destruction of the AFU,
No shit, you should give Russian command a call, they could really use you!
and as the site linked which actually explains its methodology shows, that goal is progressing steadily.
We can all find articles that fit our own confirmation bias.
Once the AFU collapses, Russia can take any and all territory it wants
There is no sign of this happening though. If anything Russian lines are looking pretty shakey at the minute.
Just as it happened during WW2 when the front was static for whole four years and then the Soviet army marched on Berlin in months
This war is nothing like WW2 though, it is much closer to ww1. The major difference between them and now is the drones and Ukraine’s drone game is currently better.
You really must have a fetish for public humiliation
I really don’t think anyone gives a shit to be reading all of the shite we just wrote, just us two idiots.
I showed you articles from mainstream financial publications. You dismiss them without addressing anything they say, and then in the next breath tell me that Russian economy is collapsing because some telegram channel told you so.
Mainstream financial publications like the cccp owned Global Times News. That’s state propaganda bud, sure you guys can’t even tell the difference. All of the financial information I gave you, like Russia’s M2 situation are from respected economic information aggregators, the Russian telegram channels just tell me how badly Russia is currently doing on the front line. You seem to be getting confused.
Literally every article in mainstream western media says that
This is likely your problem, the mainstream media is brain rot, nobody reads it anymore which is why they are not doing well financially. I also dislike when people use “literally” when it is not appropriate in the sentence. It makes me feel like I’m talking to a poorly educated teenager.
The only reason Ukraine is able to keep fighting is because NATO is pouring hundreds of billions of resources taken from its own people into it every single year. That’s why the standard of living in the west is now collapsing
Financing Ukraine in this war is a drop in the economic bucket, remember the EU economy is 10 times the size of the Russian one. If it is hurting the EU imagine what it’s doing to Russia. There are other reasons for the sluggish EU growth but this is not the forum for that.
Again, mainstream western media disagrees with your delusions.
Again with your mainstream media, you need to get off Fox news grandpa and get with the 21st century.
That’s money coming from the pockets of mouth breathers such as yourself.
I will pay it happily if it keeps the Russian hordes in Mordor. On a more positive note I have found my European holidays more enjoyable for the same reason.
The first of the linked sites you posted, ukrainewarlosses.org was interesting, it seems very similar to the more official .com version but when I looked into it’s ownership I could not find it, seems very sketchy. You should be more careful about the sources you chose to post, unverified slop like this site makes you look like a bad actor.
You then seem to think that Russia won’t collapse because America spends more money than Russia on defence. I fail to see the logic here, you promised to explain it to me using smaller words. It appears to me that you do t understand the fundamental differences in the size and scale of the US economy and the benefits of possessing the world reserve currency. The USA are also only spending about 3% of GDP on this war compared with Russia’s 8%. ( This is discounting the credit Russian banks have extended to the military industrial complex on the orders of Putin as an “off books” method to finance the war.)
It’s called trade, but I guess it’s difficult for somebody living in a vassal state to understand how trade between two countries works without one being taken advantage of.
China is by far the bigger player in Sino-Russian relations. Russia is also in a desperate starting position of having no other option when trading due to the richer half of the world sanctioning and not wanting to do business with them. If you do not believe that China will take advantage of this situation you are hopelessly naïve. Check out how the negotiations are going over the pipeline going to China, not good for Russia. In economics, in order to achieve the best price it is always favourable to have many customers competing for your product, not one big customer who can dictate terms to you.
Go read up what a war of attrition is so you don’t keep making a clown of yourself.
Ah so a war of attrition is one where Russia struggles to take ground against their much smaller neighbor for 4 years while their economy goes down the toilet. I was such a fool, I get it now!
This is just yet another Russian excuse for failure. I used to think that an economic path to victory was Ukraine’s only hope but watching them absolutely batter Russia the last few months I’m starting to think Ukraine can beat Russia back to their borders. Ukrainians have a much better and more modern army structure, Ukrainian NCOs can make decisions on the field where the Russian soldiers stand around in large groups like idiots waiting for orders and get cancelled in big groups. Russia is finding it harder to keep what is happening on the front lines a secret so they are running out of voluntary sign up meat.
Why do European regimes ban Russian media and want to personally identify you all online? This doesn’t sound like something the winning side
Russian media ban is because RT is just a propaganda network, why would Europe let Russia beam propaganda in when fighting a proxy war, this is a no brainer and Russia does the exact same thing. You then accuse Europe of wanting to personally identify everyone online, a small group tried and it got voted down and looks unlikely to have a hope of passing. In the meantime we have Russia forcing it’s citizens to use Russia Max government app for all payments and communication, messing up the army who use signal and telegram but are now throttled. You can see your projection from the moon dude!
This doesn’t sound like something the winning side would be doing
I know right? This is why Russia is doing it and Ukraine is not, your words homie. I do love our little chats.
My whole point was that the EU buys plenty of solar and wind off China, you are making a show of yourself now looking for holes to pick in the argument that you already lost. You think I am lying by omission, I think you are moving the goalposts after losing the argument.
I’m glad you find it funny but this is exactly how it works Einstein. The EU found China was subsidising it’s auto industry so they tariffed the Chinese auto makers that broke EU rules. It is not telling Chinese people how to live, live however you want but if you want to sell to us, which they clearly do they have to obey our rules. What do you even mean this is not how it works, this is what is happening right now, doesn’t matter if you believe it or not, lol.
This is grand, we will just buy our cheap plastic crap elsewhere, lol. We should have cut China off the minute they spat in our faces by supporting Russia, Chinese support is the only reason Russia is still in this war.
You accuse me of lying by omission, I will raise you with a false equivalency. Compulsory purchase orders value property at current rates favourable to the land owner. Not the same thing as the Chinese government owning the land under you and being able to low ball your short remaining lease or not renewing your ground lease. My wife’s uncle had his house and garden bought by government CPO for £15 million in the 1990s, not a bad deal of you can get it.
You then give me a selection of 3-4 year old news articles about the Russian war as if we live in a vacuum and they are still relevant. Nothing changes more quickly than people’s opinions, your out of date articles are useless here buddy and don’t disprove the official voting record. If they make you feel better in your feelings go on ahead and keep reading your old articles.