Sometimes I forget one of Trump’s first agendas was nuking research funding and using a keyword filter against grant submissions that had words like “trans” without conntext.
Seems like so long ago compared to an active war with Iran.
Was that in 2017 or 2025? There’s been so much terribleness that it’s hard to sort out…
It is not just cutting research funding, but also making migrating to the US much much harder. The US has amazing pay for the absolute top researchers, which makes it attractive for even migrants from other developed countries. However life in most other countries is better then one of the new migrant concentration camps the US is building with ICE.
Probably the Anglosphere apart from the US and then other rich developed countries will benefit fro this the most. They all have somewhat working migration systems in place to attract talent. China so far lacks that, but they probably set one up soon.
Supremacy in most if not all fields of endeavor by 2049 is a high goal, only accelerated by American political chaos and regression to traditionalism whereupon global disillusionment leads to realignment towards the Middle Kingdom.
“Is overtaking?” Sorry buddy, that point lies in the past. China dominates nearly all of the relevant future technologies and is still ramping up its investments. There’s no stopping them now.
Even in the AI sector they seem to be only a pace or two behind. Their models are as good and require less compute. It really does feel like we are falling behind in everything.
In some ways their AI might even be better at this point. I’ve talked with Claude users complaining that their AI kept skipping steps and I haven’t had that problem with GLM 5.
“Their models are as good and require less compute.”
In a sense, this is exactly why I think that China will inevitably overtake the US in this field too. Even besides things like Deepseek, which distills LLMs dominant in the US into a more streamlined model, China also seems to be putting more resources into researching AI that doesn’t need to start out with mahoosive amounts of data.
Even in the AI sector
they said relevant future technologies
Solid burn
China sent their best and brightest to be educated in American colleges, which American kids can’t get without taking on a lifetime of student debt. Most American kids aren’t rich enough to deserve to be smart.
It’s okay, though, we’ll need those bodies for the war. Trump is competing against Putin numbers for sacrifices. 1.2 million so far in Ukraine. Trump has some catching up to do. He wants to be able to brag to his Sociopathic Oligarch buddies at dinner at Maralago about how many soldiers have died for him, and the higher the number the better. That’s how much they love him.
American students don’t need college, that’s for the Chinese who build our stuff. The Draft is coming for American students. They should be willing to die to protect American Freedom.®
The US paid the best and brightest foreigners to teach in American colleges.
Rested on our laurels so long they rotted out from under us
The people who control capital and the levers of power in the west no longer care about the primacy of the United States in any sense. It was only ever just a mechanism they used to consolidate their power by using our economic system and our military for their own ends (see: “War is a Racket”)
Now they’re pulling up the drawbridge, boarding their super yachts, the escape plans drawn up decades ago. America is left a hollow shell with only the sad remnants of broken promises left behind.
Who knew that taking funding for scientific research away from government institutes and universities and giving it to ketamine-addicted con men would have negative consequences.
it’s not negative to the con men. a nation of science-averse suspicious uneducated half wits is exactly what they need to stay in power
but also stagnate
The US forfeit that race when they elected drumpf…
LOL that’s just cope
It’s just acknowledging reality. What the fuck is your point?
Chill TF out maybe?
China has been gaining and surpassing you no matter what face was in charge.
As I said, it’s cope so you can delude yourself and think it wouldn’t be if it weren’t for the bad evil man.
Same as the Iran failure.
Where you see plenty americans say they’re losing simply bcs of Trump and their super duper invincible military would be in Teheran by now under some other imperialist.
americans are sore losers and can’t come to terms that they’re being surpassed hard and circling the drain.
With or without Trump.So the point is quite important, you’re wrong and americans sore losers.
You are clearly at the denial/anger stage.
That won’t help you.There’s a difference between “still in the race, being surpassed” and “no longer in the race because forfeit.”
Before trump, the US still had green energy initiatives. They weren’t enough, but they were better than nothing. It still funded science and research. Not enough, but better than nothing.
All of that is gone now. So your attempts to equate “with” and “without” trump is nothing but disinformation, plain and simple.
Where you see plenty americans say they’re losing simply bcs of Trump and their super duper invincible military would be in Teheran by now under some other imperialist.
That’s not what I see at all. I see millions of americans saying we shouldn’t even be involved in Iran. And the fact is, we wouldn’t be if it weren’t for trump. So again, your false equivalencies are as asinine as they are incorrect.
And I’m kinda fed up with all this shit, so I don’t have much patience for it right now. Go tell someone else to chill the fuck out, cause I’m not having any more of your bullshit strawman arguments.
LOL “no longer in the race because forfeit.”
That’s exactly what I mean, “we could win but our leader made us quit”. COPE
Trump has been in charge for barely 13 months.
The structure and evolution of scientific growth are a thing measured in decades.
The benefits come much later, it takes years of investing in education and infrastructure, then waiting for generations to get years of that education and finally reaping those benefits when they become professionals.What you see now is the result of what you did before, Trumps damage will only have an impact later in these fields.
And what you did before was continuously losing ground and being surpassed.
Since a few decades, when Trump was just a TV clown diddling kids and China started investing and educating.About the war:
Sure half of you don’t want this war,it’s how your dogmatic 2 sides work. They say this, so I say the opposite, on any issue.
Doesn’t mean they don’t believe what their massive propaganda and false image of being the world police and superiority.
After all you’re americans.They just can’t have their bubble burst and are, as I said, in denial.
And I mean denial as in the psychological definition:
- a defense mechanism where an individual refuses to acknowledge, accept, or face an unpleasant reality, fact, or feeling, treating it as if it were not true to avoid anxiety or emotional pain. It acts as a protective, often subconscious, barrier against overwhelming, threatening, or uncomfortable information. *
You manifest the typical flight response to it perfectly BTW:
“And I’m kinda fed up with all this shit, so I don’t have much patience for it right now.”Between ignoring everything I said, twisting it out of context, and then bringing in all sorts of red herrings from every angle, you’re clearly just a troll and I don’t have the energy to deal with you. It would be pointless anyway.
You don’t get to be a total dick and then just say people are in denial cause they won’t put up with your shit. I’m under no obligation to listen to your drivel.
We essentially stopped, someone needs to pick up the torch
Yes, that little bump the Americans got after the 1940s because of some, er… “immigrants” has long since run out.
Immigrants? You have no idea what you are talking about, Von Braun is a good old American name.
Let’s call it a prolonged international exchange program.
The damage is done. Unless there’s a sudden reversal of cultural attitudes, the US has given up. The only way I see this happening is if the space race sparks another push for STEM.
Like, actual STEM. It seems like nobody has noticed but all anybody has cared about anymore is watching the stock market go up. It’s no longer about the pursuit of science and technology but how that can be used to make money.
They need to land some people on the moon again. Make it a big deal about sci-fi type shit. Orbit space stations around the Earth and the moon. Make it a daily life kind of thing that the population can get engaged with.
It’s apparent that people are weary of technology anymore cause all we’ve had is brain rot designed to extract value from us. People need to see science and technology as something hopeful again.
With the price of tuition now a days, and an already poor education system as it were, I don’t think the US is getting back to anything.
the tuition is one of the least problems, the job field prior to AI, pandemic was pretty bad for stem as it is. and its badly gatekeeped for research. they go to great lengths to avoid hiring domestic applicants.
Only reason for an education seems to be to join a tech company. I have a hunch that too much IT has sapped all other sectors of the best graduates, hence why everything else is so understaffed and expensive.
it seem everyone was getting into tech like 10 years ago, it might finally be bursting? but i dont think they will have severe lack of jobs, like stem would right now or even 10 years ago. biotech has been kept small as far as the job pool goes, but the field seems to have shortages in those areas, maybe they figured out they dont want to compete with scientists salaries so they gatekeep BS/MS graduates.
the only stem that is doing really well is bio> to nursing degree, or some health related same kind of demand, buts its extremely skewed towards 1 demographic.
The only way I see this happening is if the space race sparks another push for STEM.
A major reason the space race resulted in US technological superiority was because they didn’t Gulag former Nazi scientists.
USA is very much cooked.
China already did long time ago, and US were already finished before they put Trump on the spot.
All the insanity from ‘Trump’, was planned by think tanks years before, so ALL lib/dem presidents just played the big think tank game just like Trump, and he is just showing the real face/intents of the US fascist dictatorship. None of them - no matter ‘side’ cared about causes or people, and all of them played the pre-set game dictated by the US Oligarchs.
Current US behavior are just ‘mask off’ that shows who is really in charge in the US “Democracy” and what they think of anything else than keeping their property/power.
US post WW2 boom is over and they squandered it.
We have been running on old money for decades. We used China for our slave labor, and now they make the best stuff and don’t need us. That’s why the US is 70% service industry now. We are basically two rich trust fund babies jerking ourselves from off surrounded by slave labor, but eventually we run out of money. We are at the running out of money phase
Yeah but this is round two: science boogaloo. We have a government actively hostile to science and research, throwing away where we still had a leading position.
In particular, we’re reversing the brain drain from China. If they’re becoming slightly less repressive and welcome science while we’re cutting research, cutting legal immigration, driving cuts by racism and judging research by whether the ai classifies it as “woke”, too many researchers who would have come here may no longer feel welcome
The US still holds the reserve currency, that they force other countries to use via military force. Which allows them to export their inflation, and to print money to build up the military they use to protect its usage.
I think the problem is the population got too heavy into taking in debt via this mechanism, always asking for more and more tax cuts and more social programs, and China themselves stopped buying US treasuries in 2016. Then locking Russia out of US bonds further exacerbated the issue, as its no longer seen as a neutral asset, so bond yields rise as less people buy them.
Then the tariffs and higher interest rates cause debt crisis in other countries by limiting their access to USD, which makes them attempt to move away, which is likely how gold prices nearly doubled in a single year. Its pretty wild whats happening.
Where are these social programs?
Well technically social security is a social program, as it medicare, given they are funded by debt. Those are the vast majority.
The US federal government is a well armed pension fund.
This is exactly what is happening with gold. Everyone dumping usd for gold right now
Most boom was due to the cold war, US got rid of its only rival and went rogue and shot itself in the foot
Seeing a lot of sneering comments from folks in the #3 and below countries. You realize China also surpassed you all, right? And you realize you’re still behind the US , right? Damn. Haters.
Not just in science. In everything.
America is being lapped by a fascist Pooh Bear because 30% of Americans are mouthbreathers with Bible kinks.
