We’re already divided, and this comic is just making fun of those who put partisanship above all else so I don’t see it as especially divisive. Moreover, there’s no reason to seek any sort of “common cause” with the right, because they lick the boots of the ruling class and create division by attacking minority groups. Trying to find common ground with reactionary elements of the working class just dilutes the message and alienates their victims.
This comic is intentionally left vague to encourage readers to project their preferred meaning, then to argue about it in the comments, as you are doing here. It is designed specifically to make the working class fight amongst themselves.
Edit: There’s no way these replies are real, this is 100% cult behavior
It’s not division to say we shouldn’t allow pedophiles to rule us. Saying that is divisive rather than accepting the unbelievable events that are here is more divisive than a comic.
This comic is INTENTIONALLY VAGUE. Read the comments and you will discover people arguing whatever they project onto it.
It is vague intentionally because the purpose of propaganda like this to cause division and arguments among the working class. For example, I pointed that out, and you came to argue for your preferred interpretation.
Do you seriously think that I’m saying we should ally with pedophiles? The pedophiles ARE the ruling class. They’re the Epstein class.
“There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.”
Both sides, Republicans and Democrats, ARE THE RIGHT. Both are pro war. Both are pro billionaire. Both are pro Israel. Both are pro genocide. Leftists have been screaming for years about the rise of fascism and were ignored for years. Now we have been proven right, again and again, and now are telling you, the democrats are 100% compromised, there is no saving them, and both parties must be dissolved. Now please, stop dividing the working class, if you want justice for the Epstein files, if you want this country to stop waging imperialist wars of aggression, if you want to stop fascism, we need to STAND TOGETHER FIRMLY against the ruling class.
One hand washes the other. They are different hands but they work together to sanewash each other. Biden sat on terrabytes of evidence but didn’t go after the pedos because it implicates Israel. Boths sides are bad, but in appreciaticely different ways
Biden sitting on the pedo files is a symptom of Dems caring more about decorum than they do results. It’s part of why they keep getting obliterated by Trump.
Decorum is what they say publicly but let’s be real, the results the Dems care about is campaign funding. They don’t stand up to AIPAC or their extralegal operations because they’re afraid of their money.
Yes, the President. The Attorney General serves at the pleasure of the President. If they aren’t doing the thing you appointed them for, then you appoint a new one.
Lmao tell that to the current administration. It goes back to what I was just saying, Trump uses his DOJ as a tool in a way Biden never did. Not that Trump actually got the results he wanted, but that’s beside the point.
Just because our current administration tells lies doesn’t mean you need to believe them or expect better. You’re being part of the problem by not understanding how the mechanism of our system works.
Trump has continued to break the law in every way possible and your defense is “why didn’t other presidents break the law?”
Not sure how you got that other than arguing in bad faith. Democrats are paralyzed into inaction as Republicans fling shit at the wall until something sticks. This paralysis is why a person like Biden would sit on those files for four years, fearing he would appear partisan if he pushed for their release.
He didn’t “sit on the files”. They were under DOJ’s purview, because there used to be three separate branches of government that checked and balanced one another. I’m not saying the DOJ under Biden didn’t absolutely drop the ball, because they did. I’m just saying that Trump’s weaponizing of the DOJ is antithetical not to “decorum”, but to democracy. Biden doing it first would have constituted executive overreach just as much as Trump doing it now.
It is for any democrat who makes it into significant power, yes. Gotta work within that system for slow gradual improvements that can be easily undone.
The success of modern fascism has the same root cause as the success of fascism in the 20th century: liberal capitalism. Yes, Democrats are definitely better, and I certainly wouldn’t pretend the outcome of an election wouldn’t matter, especially for trans homies, but Democrat policies directly create the economic frustration that the MAGA fascists feed on.
The trick is, it’s not just that they are shit labeled as food. It’s that most Americans have never seen the steak they pretend to be, so they look at anyone else as crazy when they are told what they’re eating isn’t filet mignon and no one else wants it. They have no frame of reference to even understand what food is in that metaphor.
US has like 5 parties, but population is too stupid to read the ballots and use the fucking internet to do the research instead of just eating propaganda fed to them by all mainstream media bought by the biggest 2.
No, I’m sorry, but the Democrats supported and enabled a genocide. We are fucking done with the lies of “harm reduction” which are promised all the while the democrats race to the right. Wake the fuck up, and realize YOU ARE WORKING CLASS. THEY ARE RULING CLASS. Stop doing their propaganda for them.
You’re not being realistic. There is no “working class vs ruling class” when a portion of the working class doesn’t see the rest as human. It’s not just that we sane Americans are unwilling to side with Nazis to take down billionaires (though certainly that is true); it’s also that someone who calls me a removed is never going to stand and fight next to my black ass. The only way you get the entire working class to engage is if they are willing to stand with us, and that’s not gonna happen by us welcoming Nazis into the fold, it’ll happen when they, ya know, stop being Nazis. Even if what you’re saying is possible, you’re preaching to the wrong side.
I am not urging you to side with nazis. I am urging you to recognize that the Democrats themselves are ALSO nazis. They will side with fascists, every time.
where have you been THE EU /usa have been supporting israel for decades, only because of '23, with t the elections flaring up in 2024 is when people noticed, you are actually falling for the propaganda yourself, if you only noticed that gaza/israel conflict suddenly appeared because biden dint do anything
Both the republicans and democrats have plenty of billionaire pedo connections. The working class do not. This is another class issue - working class kids being abused by wealthy ruling class pedos.
Watching Ivanka Trump disassociate when she introduced her child hood room makes me think the rich kids don’t exactly escape unscathed. But yeah, they target kids with the promise of changing their circumstances. They exploit the very weaknesses they breed in society.
If there’s a realistic choice beyond “Corporate Whores” and “Corporate Whores who also want to institute Christian Sharia law in the US”, and you still support the whores, then yes, I will be right there front and center to call those people scumbags all day long.
However, everyone knows that is not the case in US politics within the electoral mechanisms we’re currently operating under. Through that lens, being the person that knowingly votes for some niche candidate that they know isn’t going to win any election against those two, knowing full well that by doing that you’re making it that much easier for the Christofascists to scrape out a win and continue pushing this morality horseshit on the people…no, you don’t get a pass. Not anymore.
The cost of a dozen eggs is of no fucking consequence when LGBTQ+ society is under assault. The price of a gallon of gas pales in comparison to the fact that ICE is out there literally wiping their ass with the constitution every day and the courts have no recourse to stop them. The fact that your property taxes may be a point or two higher or lower means precisely dick when you’re watching a war be instigated and fought that nobody wants solely to distract the people from the fact that our president belongs on a sex offender registry so his movements can be monitored for the rest of his disgusting life.
I haven’t considered myself a supporter of the Democratic party since they sidelined Bernie, but if my choice is them, or someone that thinks the things I listed above are just fuckin great, you’re goddamn right Im going to pick them. Because at least with them we can stop the fucking bleeding. With the other guys, we’re just counting down until someone decides to trigger a nuke and once that happens elections as a concept are going to seem quaint let alone all the other luxuries we enjoy like running water or a functioning power grid.
Through that lens, being the person that knowingly votes for some niche candidate that they know isn’t going to win any election against those two, knowing full well that by doing that you’re making it that much easier for the Christofascists to scrape out a win and continue pushing this morality horseshit on the people…no, you don’t get a pass. Not anymore.
So when do we hold the democrats accountable for being openly detestable, if not when the they’ve handed the whole country over?
Our only chance at this not getting worse is a likeable candidate. We know democrats are committed to never running one.
What’s the answer here?
Yes, the Democratic party running a true populist is the answer sure. We all know that’s not going to happen.
The US Democratic plans to continue to eek out loses from the jaws of inevitable victory, and enjoy ongoing campaign funding and unaccountability, as their reward.
This, what we have today, is literally their whole platform. They helped plan this.
When do we hold them accountable for that?
Is is still too soon?
When weve got the Christofascists in jail where they fuckin belong.
If someone comes at me with a gun while someone else is trying to set my house on fire, im going to focus on the dude with the gun, then deal with the fire. Theyre both a threat, but one is more of a threat than the other.
What you guys are basically wanting to do, to continue the metaphor, is go running around trying to find the hose while youre being shot at. And you know, thats fine, you do you, player. But dont act like its not completely natural and justifiable if most people, like me, would put their energy into stopping the bullets before giving even half a shit about the fire. The fire will have to be dealt with once the bullets stop. The fire will be dealt with, but there are bigger threats right now.
I think we’re mostly on the same page, you just can still trust a Democrat, I guess?
Let’s extend your analogy, though: the Democrats are shooting too, just not directly at me, at this moment. There’s plenty dead at their hands.
I still might rally behind a Democrat to stop an authoritarian, one more fucking time.
And I might not.
We did this dance.
Democrats do not stop the shooting.
I am strongly inclined to trust a total stranger over an established Democrat.
I am not alone in that.
Even if a Democrat cared to save any of us, I do not believe that the Democratic party has the remaining influence to make any difference.
The Maga crowd got something right: the average Democrat politician is spineless, broken and unwilling or unable to disobey orders from a secret cabal of pedophiles.
If we could wake the Maga types up, they might realize the dumb fucks they’re worshipping are part of the same pedophile ring.
I trust them to not be as bad as the MAGA types. That’s why it’s the lesser of two evils. I know that they’re evil fucks in their own way, believe me.
I want a third choice, I truly do. I’ve long gotten behind third party candidates, and pulled their lever at the voting booth. I voted for Nader in 2000. I participate in the primaries. But at the end of the day, if my candidate of choice doesn’t get nominated, I’m not going to abstain in the general if the choice is between the soulless vampire democrat and the Christofascist MAGAt that is running on a platform of making homosexuality punishable by death. I doubt there is even a majority of people voting for that democrat thinking they’re the next FDR, they just know that by not pulling that handle, they’re possibly going to give the Christofascist the win. We’re choosing the devil we can live with versus the devil we can’t.
Unfortunately, until we somehow get legal mechanisms in place that codify the basic human rights of the people the MAGAts are targeting in these fucking purges (that’s basically what they are), and solidify the ability of the government to make it literally impossible for this kind of shit to happen going forward, this is what it boils down to. I want election reform, I want ranked choice voting, I want the level of representation to be adjusted so that the number of reps in congress isn’t hard locked so that we can have more abilities for niche candidates to achieve the office and break the hold these two parties have, I want publicly funded elections, I want strict rules regarding the media as concerns elections. I have a feeling you and I both have a very similar set of values and ideas as to what constitutes a functional democracy.
All Im trying to say is, don’t take people voting for democrats as endorsement of their bullshit. It’s not that, believe me, it is not that. It’s just the only other realistic alternative, the MAGAt, is so, so much worse, that we have no choice but to hold our nose and do whatever we need to do to prevent that asshole from getting into office…even if that is voting for the lesser of two evils.
Just stop defending the Democrats. They’re more than willing to throw trans people under the bus, they supported, enabled and armed a genocide, they support wars, they support terrorism. You can vote for whoever the fuck you want, I don’t care, but you’ll never get a better world if you “vote blue no matter who”, you’ll get fascism.
Im not defending anyone. You notice I literally called them Corporate Whores, right?
What Im saying is people need to use their brain and think strategically about the situation and not be all Pollyanna about it. I’m sure 80% of the people that voted for Kamala didn’t give a fuck about Kamala, I know I didn’t, but the FACT is, every person in a purple state that voted third party likely contributed in some way to where we are now.
You’re on a bus with 100 people and they take a vote for lunch. 40 people want Tacos, 40 want Pizza. The other 20 of people all want something different from everyone else…a few want sandwiches, this guy over here wants Thai food, those two old ladies want to go to a steak house. Are any of those people going to get what they want? No, obviously. It is a mathematical certainty that they will not.
But those 20 people, knowing they’re not going to get what the want, can still at least take steps to not get what they absolutely don’t want. They may not want either the tacos or the pizza, but they probably have a preference between those two. They can at least cast a vote for the meal they can live with, even if it’'s not their favorite. At least they can eat something, and won’t be sitting on a bus fucking starving for the next 6 hours until they stop for dinner.
As you said, people can vote for whoever they want. But here’s what you can’t do…you can’t dig your fucking heels in, refuse to compromise, and then whine and complain afterwards when the bus is pulling into Taco Bell and not Pizza Hut if you fucking hate tacos. You could have cast a vote for Pizza, it might have won, and you could have at least had that and not Taco Bell. It might not have, of course, but at least that was a possibility. The Thai never ever was. No matter how much you wished it were so. No matter how much you cry and complain.
This is like, functional adult sort of stuff. People have to compromise every single day, that’s life.
“BuT tHeY hAvE nO aGeNdA” - fucking good. No agenda is better than perpetuating a century-long, systemic corruption by flipping the same rotten coin. 3rd party that’s unaffiliated with the 2 shitheads has 4 years to come up and execute a plan while the rotten 2 seeth and stare. House and congress need an upheaval and and few turnovers as well.
This is divisive rhetoric.
Remember our shared enemy is the ruling class.
Both political parties serve the ruling class.
Do NOT let them divide US.
Apes together strong.
We’re already divided, and this comic is just making fun of those who put partisanship above all else so I don’t see it as especially divisive. Moreover, there’s no reason to seek any sort of “common cause” with the right, because they lick the boots of the ruling class and create division by attacking minority groups. Trying to find common ground with reactionary elements of the working class just dilutes the message and alienates their victims.
This comic is intentionally left vague to encourage readers to project their preferred meaning, then to argue about it in the comments, as you are doing here. It is designed specifically to make the working class fight amongst themselves.
Edit: There’s no way these replies are real, this is 100% cult behavior
This comic is not vague at all, literally everything is labeled
It’s only vague if you openly support child rape.
It’s not division to say we shouldn’t allow pedophiles to rule us. Saying that is divisive rather than accepting the unbelievable events that are here is more divisive than a comic.
This comic is INTENTIONALLY VAGUE. Read the comments and you will discover people arguing whatever they project onto it.
It is vague intentionally because the purpose of propaganda like this to cause division and arguments among the working class. For example, I pointed that out, and you came to argue for your preferred interpretation.
Do you seriously think that I’m saying we should ally with pedophiles? The pedophiles ARE the ruling class. They’re the Epstein class.
Yes. That is exactly what you said. Thank you for catching up.
MAGA is more disgusted by democrats than child rapists. I’m not sure what’s vague about it.
It’s like saying a sign on a door says PUSH and you think that’s a vague description.
It’s not vague at all. How do you perceive this as vague?
bOtH sIdEs BaD is a tool used to sanewash the right
“There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.”
― Gore Vidal
That’s all you have. Still 2 options. Work with it instead of excluding your only chance
-Me
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWR6QS8Dqxy/ “proud to support shitrael”
fuck that entire shithole.
blue magats can fuck off and die, shithole country of barbarians.
Both sides, Republicans and Democrats, ARE THE RIGHT. Both are pro war. Both are pro billionaire. Both are pro Israel. Both are pro genocide. Leftists have been screaming for years about the rise of fascism and were ignored for years. Now we have been proven right, again and again, and now are telling you, the democrats are 100% compromised, there is no saving them, and both parties must be dissolved. Now please, stop dividing the working class, if you want justice for the Epstein files, if you want this country to stop waging imperialist wars of aggression, if you want to stop fascism, we need to STAND TOGETHER FIRMLY against the ruling class.
I ain’t standing with Nazis, dawg. You can both sides all you want, but one side is fucking Nazis.
Yes, THE RULING CLASS, they’re the fucking nazis. Wake the fuck up, the Democrats are ALSO nazis.
One hand washes the other. They are different hands but they work together to sanewash each other. Biden sat on terrabytes of evidence but didn’t go after the pedos because it implicates Israel. Boths sides are bad, but in appreciaticely different ways
Biden sitting on the pedo files is a symptom of Dems caring more about decorum than they do results. It’s part of why they keep getting obliterated by Trump.
Decorum is what they say publicly but let’s be real, the results the Dems care about is campaign funding. They don’t stand up to AIPAC or their extralegal operations because they’re afraid of their money.
Biden didn’t sit on the pedo files. It’s the DOJ. Not the president.
Oh please. He appointed Merrick Garland to head the DOJ. “Investigate pedophiles” could have easily been one of the requirements for him to nominate
Still doesn’t change who is in charge of the mechanism.
Yes, the President. The Attorney General serves at the pleasure of the President. If they aren’t doing the thing you appointed them for, then you appoint a new one.
Lmao tell that to the current administration. It goes back to what I was just saying, Trump uses his DOJ as a tool in a way Biden never did. Not that Trump actually got the results he wanted, but that’s beside the point.
Just because our current administration tells lies doesn’t mean you need to believe them or expect better. You’re being part of the problem by not understanding how the mechanism of our system works.
Trump has continued to break the law in every way possible and your defense is “why didn’t other presidents break the law?”
Gee. Lemme fuckin think…
So your argument is “why didn’t Biden become a dictator first”?
Not sure how you got that other than arguing in bad faith. Democrats are paralyzed into inaction as Republicans fling shit at the wall until something sticks. This paralysis is why a person like Biden would sit on those files for four years, fearing he would appear partisan if he pushed for their release.
He didn’t “sit on the files”. They were under DOJ’s purview, because there used to be three separate branches of government that checked and balanced one another. I’m not saying the DOJ under Biden didn’t absolutely drop the ball, because they did. I’m just saying that Trump’s weaponizing of the DOJ is antithetical not to “decorum”, but to democracy. Biden doing it first would have constituted executive overreach just as much as Trump doing it now.
Not investigating rapists and insurrectionists is decorum?
It is for any democrat who makes it into significant power, yes. Gotta work within that system for slow gradual improvements that can be easily undone.
Really cause only under one political party my life as a trans person wasn’t being put in danger.
The success of modern fascism has the same root cause as the success of fascism in the 20th century: liberal capitalism. Yes, Democrats are definitely better, and I certainly wouldn’t pretend the outcome of an election wouldn’t matter, especially for trans homies, but Democrat policies directly create the economic frustration that the MAGA fascists feed on.
Not american.
But while both parties are corrupt you can choose to use the better of the worse.
Like yeah eating bland dough sold as a steak is bad, but eating literal shit sold as a steak is worse. Both are bad, but one is not like the other.
The trick is, it’s not just that they are shit labeled as food. It’s that most Americans have never seen the steak they pretend to be, so they look at anyone else as crazy when they are told what they’re eating isn’t filet mignon and no one else wants it. They have no frame of reference to even understand what food is in that metaphor.
US has like 5 parties, but population is too stupid to read the ballots and use the fucking internet to do the research instead of just eating propaganda fed to them by all mainstream media bought by the biggest 2.
No, I’m sorry, but the Democrats supported and enabled a genocide. We are fucking done with the lies of “harm reduction” which are promised all the while the democrats race to the right. Wake the fuck up, and realize YOU ARE WORKING CLASS. THEY ARE RULING CLASS. Stop doing their propaganda for them.
Yep.
This thread is full of folks willing to bet that the spineless overlords will change enough to save them from the openly authoritarian overlords.
You’re not being realistic. There is no “working class vs ruling class” when a portion of the working class doesn’t see the rest as human. It’s not just that we sane Americans are unwilling to side with Nazis to take down billionaires (though certainly that is true); it’s also that someone who calls me a removed is never going to stand and fight next to my black ass. The only way you get the entire working class to engage is if they are willing to stand with us, and that’s not gonna happen by us welcoming Nazis into the fold, it’ll happen when they, ya know, stop being Nazis. Even if what you’re saying is possible, you’re preaching to the wrong side.
I am not urging you to side with nazis. I am urging you to recognize that the Democrats themselves are ALSO nazis. They will side with fascists, every time.
where have you been THE EU /usa have been supporting israel for decades, only because of '23, with t the elections flaring up in 2024 is when people noticed, you are actually falling for the propaganda yourself, if you only noticed that gaza/israel conflict suddenly appeared because biden dint do anything
I’ve been fighting against zionism for literally decades.
Instructions unclear, formed a new political party whose platform is inclusive of pedos.
Both the republicans and democrats have plenty of billionaire pedo connections. The working class do not. This is another class issue - working class kids being abused by wealthy ruling class pedos.
Watching Ivanka Trump disassociate when she introduced her child hood room makes me think the rich kids don’t exactly escape unscathed. But yeah, they target kids with the promise of changing their circumstances. They exploit the very weaknesses they breed in society.
If there’s a realistic choice beyond “Corporate Whores” and “Corporate Whores who also want to institute Christian Sharia law in the US”, and you still support the whores, then yes, I will be right there front and center to call those people scumbags all day long.
However, everyone knows that is not the case in US politics within the electoral mechanisms we’re currently operating under. Through that lens, being the person that knowingly votes for some niche candidate that they know isn’t going to win any election against those two, knowing full well that by doing that you’re making it that much easier for the Christofascists to scrape out a win and continue pushing this morality horseshit on the people…no, you don’t get a pass. Not anymore.
The cost of a dozen eggs is of no fucking consequence when LGBTQ+ society is under assault. The price of a gallon of gas pales in comparison to the fact that ICE is out there literally wiping their ass with the constitution every day and the courts have no recourse to stop them. The fact that your property taxes may be a point or two higher or lower means precisely dick when you’re watching a war be instigated and fought that nobody wants solely to distract the people from the fact that our president belongs on a sex offender registry so his movements can be monitored for the rest of his disgusting life.
I haven’t considered myself a supporter of the Democratic party since they sidelined Bernie, but if my choice is them, or someone that thinks the things I listed above are just fuckin great, you’re goddamn right Im going to pick them. Because at least with them we can stop the fucking bleeding. With the other guys, we’re just counting down until someone decides to trigger a nuke and once that happens elections as a concept are going to seem quaint let alone all the other luxuries we enjoy like running water or a functioning power grid.
So when do we hold the democrats accountable for being openly detestable, if not when the they’ve handed the whole country over?
Our only chance at this not getting worse is a likeable candidate. We know democrats are committed to never running one.
What’s the answer here?
Yes, the Democratic party running a true populist is the answer sure. We all know that’s not going to happen.
The US Democratic plans to continue to eek out loses from the jaws of inevitable victory, and enjoy ongoing campaign funding and unaccountability, as their reward.
This, what we have today, is literally their whole platform. They helped plan this.
When do we hold them accountable for that? Is is still too soon?
When weve got the Christofascists in jail where they fuckin belong.
If someone comes at me with a gun while someone else is trying to set my house on fire, im going to focus on the dude with the gun, then deal with the fire. Theyre both a threat, but one is more of a threat than the other.
What you guys are basically wanting to do, to continue the metaphor, is go running around trying to find the hose while youre being shot at. And you know, thats fine, you do you, player. But dont act like its not completely natural and justifiable if most people, like me, would put their energy into stopping the bullets before giving even half a shit about the fire. The fire will have to be dealt with once the bullets stop. The fire will be dealt with, but there are bigger threats right now.
I think we’re mostly on the same page, you just can still trust a Democrat, I guess?
Let’s extend your analogy, though: the Democrats are shooting too, just not directly at me, at this moment. There’s plenty dead at their hands.
I still might rally behind a Democrat to stop an authoritarian, one more fucking time.
And I might not.
We did this dance.
Democrats do not stop the shooting.
I am strongly inclined to trust a total stranger over an established Democrat.
I am not alone in that.
Even if a Democrat cared to save any of us, I do not believe that the Democratic party has the remaining influence to make any difference.
The Maga crowd got something right: the average Democrat politician is spineless, broken and unwilling or unable to disobey orders from a secret cabal of pedophiles.
If we could wake the Maga types up, they might realize the dumb fucks they’re worshipping are part of the same pedophile ring.
I trust them to not be as bad as the MAGA types. That’s why it’s the lesser of two evils. I know that they’re evil fucks in their own way, believe me.
I want a third choice, I truly do. I’ve long gotten behind third party candidates, and pulled their lever at the voting booth. I voted for Nader in 2000. I participate in the primaries. But at the end of the day, if my candidate of choice doesn’t get nominated, I’m not going to abstain in the general if the choice is between the soulless vampire democrat and the Christofascist MAGAt that is running on a platform of making homosexuality punishable by death. I doubt there is even a majority of people voting for that democrat thinking they’re the next FDR, they just know that by not pulling that handle, they’re possibly going to give the Christofascist the win. We’re choosing the devil we can live with versus the devil we can’t.
Unfortunately, until we somehow get legal mechanisms in place that codify the basic human rights of the people the MAGAts are targeting in these fucking purges (that’s basically what they are), and solidify the ability of the government to make it literally impossible for this kind of shit to happen going forward, this is what it boils down to. I want election reform, I want ranked choice voting, I want the level of representation to be adjusted so that the number of reps in congress isn’t hard locked so that we can have more abilities for niche candidates to achieve the office and break the hold these two parties have, I want publicly funded elections, I want strict rules regarding the media as concerns elections. I have a feeling you and I both have a very similar set of values and ideas as to what constitutes a functional democracy.
All Im trying to say is, don’t take people voting for democrats as endorsement of their bullshit. It’s not that, believe me, it is not that. It’s just the only other realistic alternative, the MAGAt, is so, so much worse, that we have no choice but to hold our nose and do whatever we need to do to prevent that asshole from getting into office…even if that is voting for the lesser of two evils.
Just stop defending the Democrats. They’re more than willing to throw trans people under the bus, they supported, enabled and armed a genocide, they support wars, they support terrorism. You can vote for whoever the fuck you want, I don’t care, but you’ll never get a better world if you “vote blue no matter who”, you’ll get fascism.
Im not defending anyone. You notice I literally called them Corporate Whores, right?
What Im saying is people need to use their brain and think strategically about the situation and not be all Pollyanna about it. I’m sure 80% of the people that voted for Kamala didn’t give a fuck about Kamala, I know I didn’t, but the FACT is, every person in a purple state that voted third party likely contributed in some way to where we are now.
You’re on a bus with 100 people and they take a vote for lunch. 40 people want Tacos, 40 want Pizza. The other 20 of people all want something different from everyone else…a few want sandwiches, this guy over here wants Thai food, those two old ladies want to go to a steak house. Are any of those people going to get what they want? No, obviously. It is a mathematical certainty that they will not.
But those 20 people, knowing they’re not going to get what the want, can still at least take steps to not get what they absolutely don’t want. They may not want either the tacos or the pizza, but they probably have a preference between those two. They can at least cast a vote for the meal they can live with, even if it’'s not their favorite. At least they can eat something, and won’t be sitting on a bus fucking starving for the next 6 hours until they stop for dinner.
As you said, people can vote for whoever they want. But here’s what you can’t do…you can’t dig your fucking heels in, refuse to compromise, and then whine and complain afterwards when the bus is pulling into Taco Bell and not Pizza Hut if you fucking hate tacos. You could have cast a vote for Pizza, it might have won, and you could have at least had that and not Taco Bell. It might not have, of course, but at least that was a possibility. The Thai never ever was. No matter how much you wished it were so. No matter how much you cry and complain.
This is like, functional adult sort of stuff. People have to compromise every single day, that’s life.
There always has been - 3rd and 4th parties.
“BuT tHeY hAvE nO aGeNdA” - fucking good. No agenda is better than perpetuating a century-long, systemic corruption by flipping the same rotten coin. 3rd party that’s unaffiliated with the 2 shitheads has 4 years to come up and execute a plan while the rotten 2 seeth and stare. House and congress need an upheaval and and few turnovers as well.
should also promote the third party instead of just bashing both sides of the mas party