• Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    56·
    4 days ago

    I know bigots will be bigots but it really annoys me that they blindly think being queer is political but need proof that war is political.

    • lobut@lemmy.caEnglish
      6·
      3 days ago

      I dunno, I’m kinda tired hearing, “as long as they can justify why they’re there it’s fine”.

      Great, so happy to justify my existence. I’m assuming the straight male doesn’t have that problem anywhere though right? They just belong everywhere right?

  • BigBenis@lemmy.worldEnglish
    34·
    3 days ago

    George Lucas literally compared the Rebel Alliance in Star Wars to the Viet Cong in an interview back in the day.

  • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
    231·
    4 days ago

    I remember when Star Wars wasn’t political. It was a time known as “the movie didn’t even exist back then”.

  • clifmo@programming.devEnglish
    42·
    4 days ago

    Star Wars is not exactly subtle or full of nuance. It’s pulp, and it wears that badge with unironic, cinematic pride.

    ​It is the spiritual successor to the 1930s Saturday morning serials of bold archetypes, primary-colored morality, and breakneck pacing where the stakes are always “the fate of the galaxy” and the villains wear literal black masks. It doesn’t ask you to deconstruct the socioeconomic subtext of a spice mine.

  • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
    138·
    4 days ago

    Don’t make Star Wars political… Except the rebels want to restore a democracy in the Original Trilogy…

    And in the prequels we have literal political scenes, as written and directed by Lucas himself.

    • auntieclokwise@lemmy.worldEnglish
      62·
      4 days ago

      And the Andor series is literally a class on fascism. Things presented there are inspired by real world events. The second season in particular makes it REALLY clear. You literally have the Empire conspiring with media to produce propaganda to undermine the Ghorman people so the Empire can come in and steal the planet’s resources and kill the people. Then the Empire stages a massacre and uses it as further propaganda

      • merc@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        4 days ago

        In something like 45 years and countless movies, TV shows and various other forms of media, Andor is really the first one that actually takes on the politics of the Star Wars universe. As someone said, it makes all the other Star Wars shows seem like someone playing with their action figures.

    • Prunebutt@slrpnk.netEnglish
      23·
      4 days ago

      Except the rebels want to restore a democracy in the Original Trilogy.

      Technically, it’s never stated which form of government (if any) the rebellion wants to create after the empire is gone.

      • Schmoo@slrpnk.netEnglish
        2·
        4 days ago

        I’ve only seen Andor so I don’t know if the lore was stated or implied in the original trilogy, but aren’t the rebellion an alliance of multiple revolutionary groups with different ideas for what comes after, but more broadly want to restore the Republic?

        • Prunebutt@slrpnk.netEnglish
          2·
          4 days ago

          Andor was more poliyical than anything before in Star Wars. And even there, they had anarchists. (But yeah, they lean towards the system that got them the empire)

          • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            4 days ago

            I mean, that system did last for a thousand years before the Empire came about, and a broadly similar system lasted for thousands more before that. Restoring the Republic doesn’t mean restoring it to the same state it was in immediately before it fell.

    • merc@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      4 days ago

      To be fair, even though the movies use words like “Empire” and “Rebels” the political world building in the first movie is paper thin. The focus is really on the boy becoming a hero, on having a big adventure. The empire is powerful and looks scary, but we never get into the actual system of government, and at no point do the rebels ever say they want to restore democracy. They just want to take down the empire.

      It has always seemed to me like George Lucas painted himself into many corners with the first movie because he didn’t actually think about what these throw-away references meant. Like, people latched onto the term “The Clone Wars”, but I don’t think he ever thought about what that actually meant, other than some words that sounded cool together.

      • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        4 days ago

        “The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.”

        • Grand Moff Tarkin in A New Hope, moments before starting the board meeting.

        So we do get some glimpse into the state of government and how it’s been degraded. And then it’s not too far a stretch to figure what the Rebels are fighting for.

        • merc@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          22·
          4 days ago

          then it’s not too far a stretch to figure what the Rebels are fighting for.

          A theocracy under the Jedi religion?

            • merc@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              1·
              3 days ago

              Christianity is much older and more mysterious than recent events, but a lot of people want to make the USA a christian theocracy.

              • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                3 days ago

                And it has also been worshiped constantly. There has been no event in the past where all of Christianity suddenly disappeared.

                Also, since the translation of the Bible from Latin to common languages back in the Middle Ages, Christianity has become a whole lot less mysterious. It’s not mysterious today, it’s mundane.

                The way A New Hope portrays Jedi (by the way characters talk about it), it sounds like Jedi have been a dying breed for a very long time, perhaps centuries, and now there’s just Obiwan and Vader. Turns out it was only a generation ago, and the reason why people consider it mysterious and distant is because nobody in the Galaxy has been exposed to Jedi as we the viewers have.

      • Dasus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        15·
        4 days ago

        Also, ironically, he means “I was being sarcastic”, not “I was being ironic”.

    • buddascrayon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      101·
      4 days ago

      Got to love how this douche nozzle completely forgets that Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon fucking existed and what they were responsible for. (that’s not even mentioning that fuckstick Henry Killmonger)

      Oh yeah, there’s no chance that Lucas could have been thinking of America as the evil empire back in 1975… 🙄😒

      What a twat

    • Comet79@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      4 days ago

      Fr? I always had the impression that the Empire was somewhat inspired by Nazi Germany and the rebels were the resistance. Some of the helmets imperials wear in SW are kinda sus.

    • JigglySackles@lemmy.worldEnglish
      63·
      4 days ago

      I think when it comes to text people need to just include something to denote sarcasm or irony. You can’t read tone properly in text. Books can add color in the form of adjectives but outside of silliness we don’t add something like “he/she quipped sarcastically” into our own comments.

      I think full adoption of the /s would be prudent for online discussions and comments with people that don’t know you personally.

      Although it would be hilarious to add “I said, dripping with sarcasm” to the end of statements.

      • zarkanian@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        71·
        4 days ago

        You don’t need tone for sarcasm, because it can be inferred from context. Check out British (“dry”) sarcasm.

        Announcing your sarcasm is like explaining your joke. If you need to do it, you’ve failed, and it falls flat. At that point, it’s better to just not be sarcastic in the first place.

        • bountygiver [any]@lemmy.mlEnglish
          3·
          4 days ago

          If you want to act like a dumbass even ironically, you don’t get to be mad at people treating you like a dumbass

        • Senal@programming.devEnglish
          3·
          4 days ago

          There can be vast differences in reading comprehension and contextual tone recognition.

          As an easy example think of the many degrees of neurodivergency.

          Secondly, British sarcasm and indeed a lot of British communication in general comes from the intention to be deliberately vague, so as to bake plausible deniability in to the responses given.

          It can be inferred, but it’s not a guarantee.

          That being said this guy seems to just be a prick trying to walk back something that blew up in his face.

        • JigglySackles@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          3 days ago

          I’m quite familiar. And in plain text it’s often lost on those that would benefit from understanding it. In some contexts it doesn’t matter. In others it does. Sometimes clarity is more important than whether or not it falls flat.

        • Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlEnglish
          22·
          3 days ago

          You don’t need tone for sarcasm, because it can be inferred from context. Check out British (“dry”) sarcasm.

          you’re being sarcastic here, right? /s

  • Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    87·
    4 days ago

    Clearly it was a Star Special Military Operation, the emperor wouldn’t just go around starting wars

  • ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    39·
    4 days ago

    Wow. I had to go verify this and sure enough, I found a video from 7 years ago where Lucas said this and much more including comparing the American Empire to the Galactic Empire. Wow. I missed that reference as a child.

  • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    4 days ago

    I think some of these commenters who want to stop media being political are bots. The elites want to suppress free thinking and freedom of expression.

  • Soup@lemmy.worldEnglish
    39·
    4 days ago

    It also just boils down to “stop showing me how what I want is what the bad guys always want.” People on the right side of history love “political” things.