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This is funny because as a teenager the main argument for why I (amab) was allowed to get the hpv vaccine was to prevent risk to any potential afab partners. These days we know that hpv causes all sorts of cancers in anyone with any functional anatomy (if someone has neither a throat nor genitals I’m very sorry for their situation, but they’re an extreme outlier).
The ubiquity of HPV reminds me of the ubiquity of chickenpox. Neither was immediately fatal and most people got them so a lot of people didn’t get that these were very bad diseases that needed to be actively controlled. I stand by my disgust at the parents who refused their daughters the hpv vaccine on the grounds of sexual purity. I don’t have kids, but I can’t imagine not giving my child a vaccine that can prevent cancer, no matter how much I disapprove of the actions they’d have to take for them to get that kind of cancer.
~€90? Damn, I paid €600 for mine and I’m an at risk group.
87 is not nothing??? Like what…
I’d respond gay for €87. I mean, I would respond that way anyways, but if I was straight I would too!
Except there is now a legal record of you saying you’re gay. That or you comitted fraud. And that paper gets handed to whoever is bearing the cost. Likely a government agency. Meaning the government keeps records of gay people. I would think twice about paying or not, regardless of me being gay or not.
He’s on his way to the camps soon lmao
It’s “nothing much” if the alternative is the risk of all the issues you can get from HPV.
I know people that wouldn’t be able to afford it. You get that the consequnce to paywalled healthcare is having sick people and not people just sucking it up and paying? The real alternative is of course allegedly already spelled out by Mr. Mangione but maybe a refresher is due?
I mean it’s free if you’re under 18, at least in my country. If you decide to get it as an adult, the government has decided that they don’t really give a fuck because you probably already have at least one of the HPV strains they’re trying to vaccinate for, and it’s just not worth it to the taxpayer to vaccinate you anymore.
The thing about public healthcare is that you try to get maximum benefit for the public, with the resources you have available. Resources are not infinite, so not all treatments or vaccines can be free for everyone. They’re still available and generally cheaper than in some place like the US.
If someone wants to Mangione the social minister of my country, that’s not likely to improve the situation, she was a doctor for a decade and a half before getting into politics and was one of the sane voices during the COVID pandemic telling people to try vaccines and social distancing instead of whatever the ivermectin and bleach equivalents were here. She already got death threats for it, even delivered to her home.
If you decide to get it as an adult … it’s just not worth it to the taxpayer to vaccinate you anymore.
nah this pitting of the individual against the collective has got to stop. The person that needs the vaccine deserves treatment, regardless of their ability to pay taxes. It’s not “the society” they’re taking away from, they’re a part of society. It’s society taking care of itself.
Also who “decides” to get HPV?? Framing illness as a personal failing is really awful
The thing about public healthcare is that you try to get maximum benefit for the public, with the resources you have available.
I do not believe that in any country using €'s that the issue is resource scarcity.
nah this pitting of the individual against the collective has got to stop. The person that needs the vaccine deserves treatment, regardless of their ability to pay taxes.
Huh? Any person who has to pay for the vaccine here DOES pay taxes. The people getting the vaccine for free do not. You have to be under 18 to get it for free.
It’s not “the society” they’re taking away from, they’re a part of society.
And the health board has decided that vaccinating an adult for HPV doesn’t have the same net benefit to society as vaccinating a young person, so it’s more efficient to spend the money elsewhere.
Also who “decides” to get HPV?? Framing illness as a personal failing is really awful
Who said anything about anyone deciding to get HPV?
I do not believe that in any country using €'s that the issue is resource scarcity.
Some countries try not to borrow their budget into oblivion and thus not everything gets treated or vaccinated for free, free university education has limits per subject per year, etc.
Resources are not infinite
Yes they are. The government can print money for a healthcare system just as easily as it does for banks.
You’re American, aren’t you?
My government can’t just print more money, it can sell bonds. It then has to pay interest on those AND pay back the principal too. Most of the government’s money comes from taxes.
The EU can print more money, but we are not in control of that.
We also don’t manufacture vaccines and medicine, we have to buy them from other countries. So they don’t exactly appear out of thin air either.
But I guess if you’re American, it’s easy to see resources as unlimited because your country’s been plundering the rest of the world.
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Countries using the € can’t actually print money, only the European Central Bank can. So for any individual country, MMT doesn’t apply, it’s still mainstream economics as per the table in the article you linked. When we have a budget shortfall in Estonia, we sell bonds, cut costs or raise taxes. And our taxes are pretty fucking high already.
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If you’re a smaller nation with its own currency, i.e not the US or China and not part of the EU bloc, printing more currency just means it’s worth less in other currencies and since you have to buy things (such as, again, vaccines and medicine) from other countries, you end up losing in purchasing power and you’ll still have to decide what to buy and what not to buy. This is the “MMT in practice” section in your article where it mentions high inflation for pretty much all the countries that tried it, which are basically all latam countries. For SOME reason, no developed countries outside of the US do this at any scale, perhaps because nobody else’s currency can take infinite printing without being devalued to fuck all.
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No I’m not, I’m german. Which is the same diff in the context of the EU I get that. But I’d still maintain that the issue is likely the coddling of rich people and letting them spend the countries resources and laborpower how they wish instead of an actual shortage of vaccines.
Or tell me that it’s all germany’s fault, that’s usually true as well.
Average salary in Germany is like 2x what it is here, of course your government can or should be able to afford a lot more than ours, purely based on the available tax base
A pal and I went to join a newly opened gym.
I says to the dude on the desk: “How much is the membership a month?”
The staff member says: “It’s £50 per month each, or £75 for a couple”
I’m motioning my pal over, and I’m like “dude are we like boyfriends now?”
“yeah”
Turns back to the dude on the desk: “we’ll take the couple’s membership please”.
Went cross code to save £12.50 a month each. Worth it.
Holy shit, £50 a month? Is that a common/standard rate?
At my work we have access to a $25 USD a month membership and I think that is even a bit too expensive for my taste…
hahaha I pay $75 a month for my gym, and it’s the cheapest in town.
Prices are just different based upon what cost of living is where you live. That $25 sounds like a pretty good deal depending on whether or not it has a pool though.
My local climbing gym is $70/mo
That’s why i don’t climbany gym membership has to compete with the cost of one of those door-frame pullup bars and some weights
I wanted to build a home gym too, but when you add the squat rack (realistically a two post one, not the proper big cage) and some sort of bench, it starts getting pretty expensive.
Gyms vary in price a lot though. From like 19€ a month to like 70 or so I think. I asked someone if the expensive gym is less crowded, but apparently not. Problem is, everyone already knows about them, they’ve been around for much longer than the cheap gyms (of which one has been around for a decade or so)
Online marketplace’s. People are always giving used home gym gear away for next to nothing.
Ugh I try to avoid Facebook and realistically that’s the only marketplace worth a damn these days. Perhaps I should tell my friends who still use it to keep their eyes open.
I have a treadmill, squat rack, pull up bar, Olympic barbell and weights, protective flooring, A/C unit, sundry accessories (gloves, whiteboard, skipping rope). Probably about 2-3 grand.
Gym memberships are a tax-free benefit where I come from so I can just pay for it from the company bank account and not pay any taxes, making it almost 50% cheaper than paying out the same amount in salary to myself. Meaning the 250€ annual membership is realistically more like 130€ in “real” (post-tax) money. If you don’t do things through your own company, though, most employers pay a health/fitness benefit, often at the maximum allowed amount, which is 400€ a year. Usually it’s paid through a system where you can only spend it on eligible tax-free services, like a gym membership, massage, going swimming, etc.
Gym equipment, however, is unfortunately never a tax-free benefit and is instead considered a fringe benefit. Quite literally considered as part of an employee’s income and taxed as such. So if I spent, say, 2k on equipment, that’s the same as 15 years of gym membership at the current rate (which is already high for me because I live outside of the bigger cities that have the cheap gyms). Funnily enough, maintenance of a company’s existing in-house gym is eligible for the aforementioned tax-free benefit, just buying new equipment isn’t.
Used equipment makes a large dent in the price, but if going for brand new, it takes so long to pay off, it’s rarely worth it.
Mine is now at $101. :( I’m going to just get some punch cards.
Jesus fuck
🤦♂️Good luck!
I pay just under $20 per week in Australia. That’s on a special promo price because I signed up in the weeks before the gym opened. (That’s under $15 USD at today’s exchange rate, but still…)
I guess I’ve just been living under a rock…
I ain’t gay, but 87 euros sure is a lot for a just one shot
I paid €600 for the 3 shots.
And that’s just for one disease! There’s like thousands of the things!
The HPV vaccine I received was three doses over a nine month period, so I guess we’re talking 29 euros a shot, or 261 for the course, depending
This is funny but I want to remind people not to discuss the STI diagnosis of your brother’s girlfriend. On twitter.
What about on Tumblr?
I can’t decide if that was likely part of the joke vs a genuine flub
Almost everyone has HPV and for most people (especially cis men) its harmless. But if you are young, please get the shot to protect the uteruses in your life.
AFAIK it can still cause cancer no matter who you are, that’s why i jumped on the offer for a free vaccine.
They only vaccinate 9-18 year olds here now, with main focus being <14 I believe (of both genders). I could get a shot myself, but it’s like 200€. And I’m not that young anymore, I probably have some form of HPV, though I could also check to see if my recent test included it.
I swear they used to vaccinate men under 26 or 27 and all women at some point. I think I was a year above the limit back then, but I could be wrong
You can do expensive PCR tests for it but otherwise no, detection comes from tissue samples in the infected area.
I also think the way they disregard it if you’re older is dumb.
Hella dumb. Due to reasons I’m pretty sure that I’m more likely to not have it than the average 16yo. I’d even pay for it myself if it wasn’t like 500€.
As someone with a recent infection, I’d say that it’s worth the 500 tbh
I’d probably go for it if I wasn’t extremely poor and TBH at a very low risk of contracting it in the near future.
I want HPV for free hysterectomy please
One might argue that dating a person with HPV puts you at risk as well. one might
It’s unimaginable that he infected her, right?
Probably just saw the € as a weird cent symbol
Gay for not pay
Bullshit. One dose costs €165 and you need 2 to 3 shots.
what the fuck
What an amazing comment chain lol
