“betrayed the Israelis”… Why does America owe Israel anything?
My first Reddit ban was for attempting to ask that question in the most politically neutral way possible.
Completely unrelated but hindsight being 20/20 the warning signs were always there with moderated centralized forums like reddit.
I have my same reddit acct I’ve had for 15+ years. I’m banned from few aubreddits but my first and most memorable was from AskReddit for doxxing myself. To remove the ban they told me I had to draw a picture of some stupid shit like a giraffe in a Santa hat because it was Christmas or something. That was when I realized I don’t want anything to do with these stupid ass moderators power tripping over a users engagement on a forum. Absolutely asinine.
Mine was for saying only, “Israel is the Devil” Wait, that was twitter actually my bad. Fucking reddit did a bunch of dishonest enforecements against me because of Israel though.
yeah, I’d also ask: what more could we give them that hasn’t been given already? also, it just illustrates how there’s no offramp, no future peace with this government - Bibi knows only perpetual war will keep him in power, and maybe out of jail, so they’re all out for it and thought trump would be dumb enough to go even further.
it’s pretty mind boggling. he is really dumb tho so…maybe they think they can neg him into it? fuck…
“I never got why everyone hated the mass-and-child-rapist, but now that he doesnt want to murder iranians anymore… I get it now.”
Except it isn’t that he doesn’t want to murder iranians any more. It’s that he put himself in a lose-lose situation and he somehow doubled down and made the loss even worse.
If the “enlightened” world is totally on board with genocide then we are so fucked.
How can a US president betray “Israelis”. He’s not their president, and America is not their mommies. We owe them exactly nothing. They should get off our tit, and we’d like all the nuclear materials they stole from us returned immediately.
How can a US president betray “Israelis”. He’s not their president,
sure but not to defend the shit stain, he represents the nation, so if another nation states an “ally”, say Canada…or Denmark or Ukraine or…
an allegory, you’re married, doesnt mean you can’t betray a friend, perhaps not as deeply as your partner but still.
Im an Australian, our previous governemnt betrayed the French for example
Without the large amount of material and monetary support America provides to keep Israel’s military the strongest in the region, they would get steamrolled by their neighbors. Probably not immediately, but it would be inevitable. Note that I’m not saying anything about whether this is right or wrong from any ethical point of view in any direction, simply that it absolutely would happen. For whatever reason it has consistently been the policy of the American government not to let this happen.
Israel’s very existence as a modern state has been, shall we say, deeply unpopular with its Arab neighbors literally since day one.
the reason is that its free surveillance on the rest of the region. USA wants to keep an eye on countries they seem hostile and their interests (oil).
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I’ve never felt the need for the “we are not the same” meme before reading this .
Israelis will blow wherever the wind blows. Don’t let them convince you that they’re totally checking anti drumpf progressives in November when suddenly every other D is taking their money. They will lie, cheat, and steal to keep the US-Zion Siphon going.
The headline would cause a middle schooler from the 2000’s to die laughing.
That op-ed is from a different author, in a different newspaper, over a decade ago. Not sure what it proves other than “different Israelis have held contrasting political opinions at various points in time.”
That’s crazy! Next you’ll try to tell us that there’s a nation who has elected both Trump and Obama as president!
Do we tell them that he is the POTUS? Israeli interests should not be something we care about
What about Gazan interests? That’s been known to tilt an election or two.
Never been proven, and I’d bet against it. People overlook that 2024 was a bad year for incumbents overall.
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Geez I wonder why genocide would tilt an election; it’s not like it’s the most horrible crime man has ever committed.
Well ok, but don’t forget about Hawaiian pizza.
You mean the third best pizza ever created?
Well he betrayed Americans too and they still seem to love him.
I’d say most of us really don’t.
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Your instance is blocked by many countries.
How did Israel transition from a US base in the Middle East into the country that visibly holds the keys? Blackmail? Money? Religion? What the hell happened?
All of the above.
I find myself asking this question more and more… But not just the US. How the fuck does Israel have so much power over so many countries. Like just look at the UK and how they’re treating anyone even protesting for Palestine. It’s insane how much power they have over so many countries… I just don’t understand how.
Israel has nukes pointed at everyone in range, enemy and ally alike and will fire if there’s a chance of Israel “falling.”
The Epstein class. It wasn’t just a sex ring.
A giant honeypot operation whose goal was to ensnare as many prominent politicians and business leaders as they could into raping children.
And they hoodwink the rest of humanity with “holocaust.”
Guilt for that shit should have run out 70 years ago.
The Holocaust was real, and it’s important to not forget atrocities because as we can see we slip back into them very quickly.
My main issue with HOW the Holocaust lives in the modern western conscious is that it drowns out plenty of other genocides, from the Armenian genocide and the Bengal famine up to more recent ones in Gaza and the Congo. It’s ridiculous to compare genocides as if they can be distilled to a number and compared, but the framing of the Holocaust as worse than the other genocides is so counterproductive to developing the empathy necessary to prevent this kind of thing in the future.
I mean the Holocaust literally happened and Europe and they’re full of racism against romani and recent migrants. People shit on the USA for having a checkered past but at least we know about it. The number of brits who don’t even know about their atrocities in Ireland, their backyard, is nuts. That’s not even counting what happened in their colonies. I talked with a Belgian once who wasn’t aware of how bad their colony in the Congo was.
The Holocaust was real, and it’s important to not forget atrocities because as we can see we slip back into them very quickly.
Thats a nice idea but in practice its a worthless trope thats actually used more to justify violence than prevent it, and its been that way since right after ww2.
I understand that the holocaust was real. But that cow has been milked to death.
We should be milking it more. And some people are.
Because what’s happening in Gaza isn’t much different. Slightly less organized. Equally inhumane and unhuman.
100 percent agree. It was a propaganda plan from the very beginning.
US wanted a “friend” in the middle east to ensure access to oil. And used holocaust guilt to push it to the people back home.
US wanted a “friend” in the middle east to ensure access to oil.
No. The Nakba wasnt a US invention and that happened right after ww2. Zionism is not America’s fault and does not benefit America at all. Its pure cost and always has been. America already has better friends in the middle east to access oil. It does not need anything from Israel at all, and things would be smoother oil-access wise if Israeli religious terrorists werent present in the region.
Gotta be the Epstein blackmail?
Ghislaines dad was an Israeli agent
It’s so insane. It’s just blatant they dictate our foreign policy at this point.
And it’s disappointing that the Dems are scared of doing without the election funding.
I get it. It’s understandable that they don’t trust voters to look past name recognition and ads. But… I still think it’s a bad call. Being beholden to Israel isn’t worth it, even if it makes us more likely to lose elections.
Call your Dems. Tell them you want transparency in funding, even if it is AIPAC.
Dems as a party could make a big show of rejecting AIPAC altogether and returning all the money. That’d buy them more publicity and goodwill than ads can buy. At least the next cycle.
Money. Politics is always all about money. Not ideals/virtues. Not borders. Not cultures. Not ideas. Not what the people need.
Good question, but it’s important to note that they only have as much power as they do because they’re being allowed to do so by the US political establishment. It’s not like Israel is writing US foreign policy in the Middle East from the ground up; US foreign policy just happens to be close enough to what Israel wants to do that that’s what it looks like. That’s the base on top of which the blackmail, money and religion are acting, as evidenced by how none of those factors would ever make America act like this with, say, China.
All of the above
Trump is such a massive fucking idiot he really could have been the greatest president if the media wasn’t up their own ass with hate
Todays headline: “No president can figure out socialized health care. Obama tried but failed”
Tomorrows headline: “It would take a great president to solve Americas Healthcare crisis”
etc…
What a stupid fucking article written by a stupid piece of shit. Any and every president could have been the greatest if they made the right decisions.
“You may”?
Mr. Scorpion, we could’ve been across the river by now but instead we’re both drowning to death
– the frog
Fuck Adelson, that bitch. She is the fucking devil.
