And so, you become like them. Rigid, unyielding, and unable to see any viewpoint but your own. I feel pity for the future you and am glad I will not live to see it
So this is the Zionist US propaganda sub now
They’re not landlocked. … The cant ’ de-sal’?
Tehran is 1200m above the Caspian Sea. Good luck pumping water for 28mn people up 1200m.
I mean that’s a lot of people to pass buckets up there.
Understand that desalination is extremely energy intensive and takes a massive initial investment… Years ago.
Yeah, you’re right. Better just to use geoengineering stuff, like cloud seeding aerosol injection and such, to bring about a deluge. :3 Tada!
Their God will save them any time now. All those years of oppressing women will surely pay off.
Least racist westerner. Do you also routinely wish hell upon Polish people for being, on average, vehemently Catholic and conservative?
And some flooding in Iran
No need to worry tbh.
Your magical fairy man in the sky will magic you up some water any second now because you’ve chosen to base your entire country around your special relationship with him, which he wants because he’s real, so you’re good.
So, Iranian people deserve to die because they’re Muslims? Is that your point?
Maybe if the USA and the British hadn’t couped Iran’s democratically elected secular government in 1953 and reinstated the Shah they wouldn’t be in such conditions
Of course Iranian people don’t deserve to die.
Which is good because none of them will. God will come out of the sky in a 2004 for Taurus and magic them up the water they need because god is real and he’s magic and he can play stairway to heaven even better than Jimmy Page
Great to see you trivializing with the lives of millions, very humane.
Okay yes but still. No one chooses where they are born. Think of the children at least.
I get both sides in this argument unfortunately…
You wouldn’t know magic if someone bought bought you a 100 card commander deck
I feel for the innocent civilians who did not ask for or deserve this.
But I feel nothing for the ones who stood beside the brutal regime and made more enemies than competent allies.
You’re right, Ayatollah Khomeini should have… made it rain somehow. It’s all also Russia and China’s fault!!
Damming rivers with runoffs into salt plains and salt desert, funneling water into agriculture for gdp, and making enemies in every direction was probably a really bad move, ngl.
If they hadn’t done any one particular thing in that list then things wouldn’t be so bad, now.
Heads up, desertification is spreading rapidly through that region due to climate change. It’s not going to rain well every year, mate.
Damming rivers with runoffs into salt plains and salt desert, funneling water into agriculture for gdp, and making enemies in every direction was probably a really bad move, ngl
Yeah, how dare they seek food security without imports in the face of international embargo.
GDP means Gross Domestic Product which means they were EXPORTING THE FOOD and actually a huge amount of spices such as Safron. You could argue that they are just really really really bad at math but the result is the same, incompetence leading to drought.
GDP doesn’t imply export though? I don’t follow the non sequitur.
GDP measures consumption, government spending, and exports minus imports.
So investment on agriculture for local consumption also rises GDP, and your first comment is a non sequitur?
Average Zionist
But, are they wrong?
Seriously, someone can be the epitome of what you despise and still be correct about something.
Yes they are wrong. Iran is suffering because of Israel and heavy US sanctions. The US regime is the problem.
Rumour is the regime is just going to move out of Tehran to somewhere else in the country, so unfortunately they may escape the consequences of their poor governing. Unless the people rise up against them of course.
Maybe that nuke money should have gone into solving this problem
Spewing Israhelli propaganda, I see
Sure, BP fucked Iran really bad and maybe it could have been a beacon of progress in the region today.
Doesn’t change the fact that as of today it’s a terrorist state that shoots down civilian planes and supplies despots with war crime drones.
This is your brain on American exceptionalism
Only in Lemmy you get crazies defending Iran
You defend american terrorism, which murders millions of people yearly. Go throw your body to the meatgrinder in Vietnam or whatever your empire is doing right now.
If they didn’t have nukes the USA would’ve “liberated” them and turned them into iraq by now
Well they don’t have nukes and they didn’t get “liberated”, but maybe they should have been, there would be less civilian graves in Ukraine killed by Shaheed Drones.
they didn’t get “liberated”, but maybe they should have been
Are you in the CIA?
They could recycle all the aluminum tubes for a hydroelectric pump station lmao.
My first grade teacher swore WW3 would be over clean water.
Hes been proven more and more right as time goes on.
happy cake day
Thank you 🙂
Man I thought the assassination of MLK Jr was a heavy topic for first grade when my kid came home talking all about it. You got him beat by a mile.
I came to the comments hoping that someone had acknowledged that lack of water has consistently led to war.
I never forgot when I watched water world
That’s a pretty heavy topic for a first grade teacher. Meanwhile I wasn’t taught about WWII until freshman year of high school.
GenX has had WW3 hanging over our heads since we could walk. There was a brief respite during the 90s, but that’s over now.
As a millennial, born too late for duck-and-cover…born too early for shelter-in-place.
I was talking to someone the other day about the freedom that was felt in the music and movies of the time due, in my opinion, to the constantly hovering cold war end-of-the-world.
Seems like an intense lesson plan for first graders
Coming soon to the USA, but under the Christo-Fascist fuck nuts.
Like the California Palisades fire not having water?
no, that happened because these rich people decided to build in a high risk fire area, very little to do with the water situation.
During the Palisades Fire in January 2025, firefighters experienced significant water pressure problems and some hydrants ran dry, hampering firefighting efforts in higher elevation areas. This was due to unprecedented demand overwhelming the local water system, which is designed for typical urban structure fires, not large-scale wildfires.
Key Details on the Water Issues
System Overload: The demand for water to fight the fire was four times the normal use for 15 straight hours, which lowered the water pressure. The local system, designed for individual house fires, could not handle a firestorm affecting multiple neighborhoods simultaneously.
Dry Tanks: The three water storage tanks that supply the Palisades area from higher elevations were depleted and could not be refilled fast enough due to the high consumption rate at lower elevations.
Empty Reservoir: The nearby 117-million-gallon Santa Ynez Reservoir, a potential lifeline, was empty at the time for a necessary repair of a tear in its protective cover, as required by public health regulations.
Are you sure it had little to do with the water?
most of it was the fault of the rich people building in such a high risk area, knowing that there is a potential for that to happen.
Did you ask AI for this summary?
What ya mean “no water”? Are they all relying on bottled water, like the whole country? Cant watch youtube
What do you watch then if you can’t watch YouTube?
Maybe they’re at work.
There’s a good real life lore video on nebula. They killed their traditional agricultural system with an extractive well water fueled one which depletes aquifers. Neighboring rivers from other countries got dammed. They rerouted their own rivers for dams and dried out lakes and flooded a salt deposit making the whole river salty. They also focus a lot on domestic agriculture at the expense of water depletion. All around poor mismanagement using outdated American plans to build their dam infrastructure without environmental assessments.
There is certainly a lot of bad the USA intelligence agencies have done in the past, but the current administration of Iran has been around in various forms for 45 years and it’s backed economically and militarily by Russia and China, blaming anything happening there today on the USA is insanity.
That would be like me blaming the Chinese for the state of Israel because of some shit happening on that soil during WWII.
Not sure where US blame came into play
You mentioned “outdated American plans”. I searched around a fair bit but wasn’t able to find any indications that Iranian dams were built using American dams as reference. Do you have a source for that?
I think perhaps this is a misunderstanding and they were simply stating that they did similarly to america, rather than implying any direct involvement.
Apparently this isn’t the case - see their other comment. I haven’t read through the article yet but they are claiming a pretty direct connection.
Wait wait wait.
Sooo… a theocratic nation lead by irrational bigots, using decades old ultracapitalistic plans… aren’t getting shit done?
I mean…surely God would have told them what to do, right?
Right ?
…
Let’s just not talk about how the US overthrew a democratically elected government and installed a puppet who was deeply unpopular and was later overthrown after a revolution which caused the current leader to be in power due to a power vacuum which then lead to deep sanctions from US and US allies so they’ve had to try and be self sufficient.
Someone needs to make a movie that kicks off with the Middle East having led the Industrial Revolution by capitalistic means of rapid production and innovation. Their need for natural resources growing, and them deciding to use military dominance to covertly get what they need in that regard. Them invading parts of an impoverished US, installing government leaders, … all of it. It would make for a hell of a movie. Kind of like the one where the Soviets won the space race.
There is a similar alternative history book, The Years of Rice and Salt, that explores the idea of what if the black death killed 99% of Europeans instead of 33%; Europe repopulated by Muslim pioneers, the indigenous peoples of the Americas forming a league to resist Chinese and Muslim invaders, and a 67-year-long world war being fought primarily between Muslim states and the Chinese and their allies.
Still, Iranians were overall more satisfied under The Shah’s regime than those that followed.
Imagine going from democratic government to a monarch like western puppet with foreign backing out of no where. Id imaging you would be pretty unhappy and would try to overthrow and hope something better would come along. Of course you don’t know what’s gonna fill that power vacuum but you are suffering NOW and want change NOW. Seems pretty logical.
Imagine going from democratic government to a monarch like western puppet with foreign backing out of no where
We’re living that now in the USA. Oh how the turns are tabled.
There is also a lot of info about the CIA teaching the Iranian gov’t effective torture techniques. I totally understand the animosity.
Well yes, Iran used to be nice.
Unfortunately they had/have oil.
https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/war-for-oil-conspiracy-theories-may-be-right
It was not “nice” for most people under the Shah.
Okay, you got me there. What about “Iran used to be nicer”? Would that be okay?
From what I’ve heard, the current government tapped the groundwater table to push farming. Now, there isn’t enough groundwater to accommodate the difference between water demand and river water.
It sucks for Iran.
On the bright side, they’ve got lots of brand new sinkholes. So that’s nice.
Also related is the Water conflict in the Middle East and North Africa caused by dams, although Iran seems to not be reliant on waterflows from elsewhere. Maybe low rainfall and bad distribution of resources
Yeah they’ve talked about how Iran has been in a drought for quite a while. It’s like utah, we’ve been in a drought for 20 plus years at this point we had one good water year last year and for the first time in quite a while came out of our drought status and everybody just kind of forgot and then all of a sudden by the end of the summer most the state was back in a drug in severe drought status again I can’t wait for all of our idiotic agriculture here to dry up the water table just like it has over there.
but why isn’t Allah making more water?
They aren’t praying enough, obviously.
Meanwhile, the rest of the world will completely disregard this cautionary tale and continue to extract groundwater to farm until only saltwater remains.
Then, as billions of people are dying of starvation, thirst, and societal downfall, the elite will finally prioritize desalination R&D and if/when they get something to work they will hail it as a revolutionary step for humanity and completely disregard the fact that this R&D / subsequent proliferation could have been initiated decades ago when the problem was first apparent.
Voila, no more overpopulation crisis, and water, what the civilized world once considered a human right, is now used as a method for exerting control, as it is only ever potable (sans rainwater) after being processed.
Parts of the US, like all the major cities in Texas, are actively sinking because we’re draining the aquifers that took millennia to fill. It’s yet another problem just festering, fascinating to watch as the reality approaches.
vegas, las angelas is not suppose to exist but water has to be diverted to these counties.
Maybe not suppose to exist in their current size (the same could be said for a lot of large cities), but humans have lived in both for thousands of years.
Coming soon to a theater near you
Lol oh look, people in power are myopic and prioritize short term benefice over long term thonking; I wonder how often that happens!
people in power are myopic and prioritize short term benefice over long term thonking
I’m not sure “maintaining adequate levels of domestic crop yield” is a short-term benefit. They’re stretched for water because they’re in a historic drought during a climate catastrophe. This is a no-win situation, exacerbated by the constant threat of military invasion by nuclear superpowers and their rabid fascist local proxies.
The Iranian government can’t summon rain from the heavens any easier than their Saudi or Qatari neighbors. Those states just have the benefit of access to western markets and engineering firms for enormous desalination plants. Meanwhile, Iranians’ energy infrastructure - necessary to run the pumps and pipelines that irrigate much of the country - have been subject to repeated bombardment by Israeli and US aircraft. Most notably, their civilian nuclear program was crippled by Trump’s B-2 bombing run in June. But this is just the tail end of the damage inflicted by the eleven day shootout with Israel.
The B-2 hit their uranium enrichment, not their one civilian nuclear power plant. Iran buys uranium from Russia already enriched to the ~5% level needed to run that power plant. The Iranian program to enrich uranium above that level is entirely a weapons program, since they have no need for uranium enrichment to run their power plant.
Perhaps instead of investing less resources in a nuclear weapons program and more into projects to benefit their population, Iran wouldn’t be in such a mess.
This is a no-win situation, exacerbated by the constant threat of military invasion by nuclear superpowers and their rabid fascist local proxies.
Nobody wants to invade Iran, just the countries that their calls for death to don’t want them to have nuclear weapons for obvious reasons. When you chant “Death to America! Death to Israel” constantly while funding a bunch of terrorist groups, plotting assassinations, and enriching uranium for nuclear weapons they probably shouldn’t be too surprised about the outcome of those actions.
Most Iranians are good people, but the ruling regime are some of the worst people in the world and prioritize being adversarial assholes over running their country properly. They’re losers and I hope they get overthrown by the Iranian people.
Fair enough i was a little harsh; but I hughly doubt their uranium is civilian
I hughly doubt their uranium is civilian
It is at least as civilian as any French nuclear plant. To date, there is no evidence of plutonium enrichment or bomb construction, which is more than can be said of their Israeli neighbors.
The French have nukes tho, maybe Belgium is a better example.
And yet other articles were blaming corruption and cronyism for not adequately limiting water used for agriculture
Western Press do be like that. The Saudi government is experiencing the same water crisis, but somehow remains beyond repute.
Pray harder. That’s what gods are for. Maybe you’re doing it wrong?
You’re dying of thirst? Erm, have you tried being an atheist about it?
I hate atheists so much man we’re worse than weeaboos
You can only either be in a cult/religion OR an atheist? now that’s a tiny box you’re sitting in. What about cult-free believers in whatever? What about agnostics? So yes, Atheists are nearly the same as theists to me, their ignorance has just turned 180°. Still preferable to cults/religions that dictate what you have to believe in.
Every religious person is by definition in a cult.
No, of course not. But I don’t think you were trying to discuss the idea of atheistic religions when you responded to “28 million people are without water and will likely die” with ‘your god is fake lol’
Atheists are nearly the same as theists to me, their ignorance has just turned 180°
No, stupid. Atheist means lack of belief in any gods, not necessarily a belief in a lack of any gods. If you don’t believe in any gods, you’re an atheist too. You may be agnostic as well, but agnostic atheism is a subset of atheism.
Please, do not forget that behind the religious zealot speaking on TV, there are millions of good people in immediate danger. That should ring a bell…
But >99% are muslim, so…the <1% are those “good people”? or do you meant those amongst the 99%? To me, it does not matter anyway. If e.g. germany would be 100% Nazis, except me, I’d still be considered one. I could emigrate or collaborate through apathy. But I surely couldn’t complain when being shot for being a Nazi.
Ok, I see. You’re being deliberately offensive and provocative, so i will not engage further. Conversation held on this basis cannot bear fruit, surely you are aware of that. Goodbye
Damn, I didnt realize that lemmy.world was into islamophobia like that. Guess its time to find another place to spend my time.
There’s a difference between [anything else of a reason] and a phobia. But you’re free to use pop-buzzwords, if you’d prefer to.
This is such a weird response that multiple people are making. Not that you’re seeing a trend of Islamophobia, but just one shitty comment. And rather than merely chastise that commenter and chase them off, you suggest abandoning the platform - making it more friendly to more shitty commenters. Why cede the space to them?
A kind of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well tactic that seems to be common in the comments. Some accounts seem to constantly be labelling all of Lemmy as this or that extremist thing.
I haven’t seen much Islamophobia here specifically, but all of Lemmy is generally anti-religion, while still being very humanist. This comment was particularly horrible by any standards because of the sheer lack of empathy for widespread human suffering. That is not merely anti-religion, it is anti-humanist, and that is why it’s being downvoted.
I didn’t realize MAGA level thinking was on Lemmy now. Fuck. Time to go.
I’m not even close to being in that silly joke of a country, let alone being a fan of that clown. If I’d be from there, I wouldn’t even know where Iran is. Or what.
If you did live in the USA, you’d definitely be MAGA.
This comment is also cringe
More MAGA level comments from people who use “cringe” as an adjective.
everyone who is an asshole or says anything you don’t like isn’t MAGA this is like MAGA trash calling everyone commies.
You use “cringe” as an adjective… that’s fucking dumbass MAGA shit.
this actually goes back to 1972. It became more commonly used in the 2000s 2010s
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cringe
Basically you are young and stupid
“Cringeworthy” and “cringe” are not the same word you window-licking troglodyte. Who in the fuck speaks in bad-grammar memes other than children and MAGA level intellect internet trolls?
Fuck you. Seriously, go fuck yourself to hell you unempathetic fuck. No one should care when this inevitability of climate change happens to you I guess. Most people in Iran are not religious fundamentalists. They live under an unpopular government. This is a problem of climate change affecting millions of people in a big city and your answer is this. Fuck you.
Take a selfie
But they do have plenty of oil, right?
Yeah, but it’s not as healthy to drink.
I read that in the voice of Frank Skinner.
I guarantee a pint of crude oil contains all the calories you need for the rest of your life.
It must have a lot of dinosaurs…
Mediterranean diet mate, you’re missing out on the best stuff…
If only they could do something to get rid of those sanctions …
So, it begins…
It’s like the movie Water World was an exact foretelling of what was to come
