• Foni@piefed.zip
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    24
    ·
    3 months ago

    What would the world be like if Jimi Carter had won re-election? I think it makes for a very interesting uchronia novel.

    • DagwoodIII@piefed.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      39
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      3 months ago

      The funny thing is, a lot of people didn’t vote for Carter because he wasn’t perfect.

      They wanted him to do more about South Africa, but his hands were tied because the US military needed South African chromium.

      Instead of backing the better candidate, some people thought that letting a GOP blowhard like Reagan come in would somehow push people to the Left.

      Sound familiar?

        • DagwoodIII@piefed.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          16
          ·
          3 months ago

          I had the honor of meeting some old school Communists, folks who had gone to Spain to fight Franco and been blacklisted. They told us that they’d tried to warn people to vote against Nixon in 1968, but the younger folks thought that Nixon and Humphrey were equally bad.

          It seems like an unending cycle.

    • Hapankaali@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      21
      ·
      3 months ago

      It’s really remarkable how Americans have sleepwalked into stagnation without even noticing it. In 1979, the US was well ahead of East Germany in terms of living standards, human rights and quality of governance. Today, it is far behind in all of these aspects. What happened? Green line went down.

      • Foni@piefed.zip
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        3 months ago

        Well, I don’t think that East Germany in particular is a good example of this, it has had some very harsh changes that are not comparable to almost any other place in the world. I suppose it also applies and is more comparable, with other European countries like France or Denmark, to say two at random.

      • human@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        3 months ago

        There is this myth that the relative prosperity in the US in the mid twentieth century is the norm, and not result of a geographically isolated US with ramped up production and distribution while so much of the rest of the world was recovering from WW2.

        • Hapankaali@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          3 months ago

          Well, the recovery from WW2 didn’t take that long. A big factor that isn’t often mentioned is the existence of a large domestic internal free trade zone with few legal and cultural barriers to trade, in addition to plentiful natural resources. There is still nothing that rivals the US in this regard (the EU might have internal free trade in theory, but in practice there are numerous barriers), but its substantial problems in governance and large income inequality (compared to top-tier economies) more than negate these advantages.