Criteria: I’m looking for instances that are defed’ with the Big 3 tankies (lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, and hexbear). I have no interest in trying to persuade my friends to create an acc and set up instance blocks before diving in, or dealing with the feedback when they run into the tankie brigade.
Edit: lemmy.cafe and infosec.pub seem to fit. I also find it really interesting just how many of the replies totally ignored my stated criteria.
Sadly, there are no “great” options here:-(.
Side-note: “instance blocking” is misnamed, don’t be mislead - all that does is mute communities on that instance, but it still shows you all of their comments on posts to communities not on that instance (cough Cowbee cough cough), plus they can reply to you, generate constant notifications (for WEEKS and WEEKS on end if they choose to - it’s happened to me, once for hexbear.net and again for lemmygrad.ml, back when my instances were still federated with those, and when I was naive and fresh and had no idea what I was walking into by replying to a post that I had found on All, not having read the community sidebar first), and also they can vote on and influence your content. Only true defederation will prevent the latter though.
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lemmy.cafe as you saw, but it has some technical problems - e.g. notice how none of the image previews load when you visit? I have no idea what further problems lie behind that one - all I know is that it has persisted for weeks, which does not fill me with confidence. Still, not a bad idea to at least test for yourself?
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dubvee.org, which has a friendly site admin though a nonstandard (& nonintuitive?) web UI “Tesseract”; he is super aggressive at blocking both the Alt-Right and also the Alt-Left and also trolls regardless of instance; the major down-side being that it is not a wide-spread general-use instance, and limited to W. Virginia USA atm. Anyone who likes to argue may get booted quickly though.
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quokk.au, although it has only a single admin rather than a team of such, and people say that their requests to join can get ignored for days as a result, also it’s in Australia, so with that geographic distance I would worry about federation of content particularly from Lemmy.World that holds ~80% of the Lemmy users and most of the Fediverse content (at least, this is a major issue for Aussie.Zone also in AU). Here too you could make an account and test it out, prior to recommending to friends? If so, let us know your experiences with it?:-)
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PieFed allows you to block all the users from any instance of your choice without needing a site admin; this Lemmy alternative also has many fantastic upgrades over Lemmy (categories of communities, hashtags, YouTube video embedding, which Tesseract also offers, and more), however it lacks many of the more foundational aspects (user tagging, searching is primitive, many Notifications do not actually go to what they point at so that gets super frustrating), so while I am located there myself this is not something that I would recommend to everyone, only “early-adopters”, particularly those who can fall back onto a Lemmy alt when necessary.
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I have heard that the Sync and Connect apps can block all users from any instance of your choice, without needing admin approval. They have a number of other nifty features as well. I have never used either of these, but these might be your best option?
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Sublinks… well, that’s not an option “soon” at any rate.
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Otherwise someone would need to spin up a new instance, at which point they can do whatever they choose, but it’s a lot of work, particularly a lot of network bandwidth. Or convince an existing admin team to defed from lemmy.ml? It’s hard enough for most to decide to defed even from lemmygrad.ml and/or hexbear.net though.:-(
Face it: we are a Nazi bar, or rather the Alt-Left equivalent of one. It takes enormous efforts to carve out a corner of this open social web that fights back hard against a
Nazifascist, and most are unwilling to do what it takes. Though slowly but surely, I do see MAJOR improvements over time - e.g. Discuss.Online recently defederated from hexbear (though unfortunately not also Lemmy.ml), so I view that as a strong even if not entirely sufficient step forward.-
.cafe is the only major one that I know is defederated with all 3.
I have noticed a lot of accounts from that instance being quickly created and banned. I don’t know if they’re trolls or spambots, but it seems like they don’t have very good control over who creates an account there.
Thanks!
It doesn’t block porn instances though. I’d argue that because of this sopuli.xyz might be better choice even if it doesn’t block lemmy.ml.
Thank you for deciding my criteria for me 🙄
Title: „Which reasonably sized instance to recommend newcomers?”
Criteria: „I have no interest in trying to persuade my friends to create an acc and set up instance blocks before diving in”
OP: „but what about me”
Yes, let’s just ignore the entire text body? I know there’s a joke about never reading the article, but this is a level above that.
I won’t argue that I know what was your intention when asking the question but you definitely didn’t phrase it as criteria for you specifically but rather newcomers in general.
My post started with ‘Criteria: I’m looking for instances that are defed’ with the Big 3 tankies’, which you conveniently left out of your quote. That direct statement was not clearly phrased enough?
It’s very clearly phrased. I’m saying that if you want a newcomer instance then defederating porn instances is more important than instance that doesn’t really go out of its way to interfere with other communities. Sopuli is actually one of the first instances to block Hexbear outright when other big instance admins hesitated to.
defed.xyz to check?
Oh that’s handy
I think I found the best one:
infosec.pub
has 4186 total users and 335 active users
seems more active than the .cafe that the other user suggested
Good luck with converting more people to join Lemmy!
lemmy.ml or lemmy.world.
I suppose lemmy.ml technically isn’t federated with .ml…
Feeling good on lemmy.sdf.org
Btw you can block instances in your settings. Also I would argue lemmy.ml is not as “tankie” as the other two.
Yeah it’s quite less tankie than the other two, but you can still be banned and/or have your content deleted for criticizing communism
Didn’t know that!
Ok? Why does that matter if you’re not on their server
it doesn’t matter at all if you don’t post/comment on communities hosted there
Even if you do, the worst thing that can happen is them banning you on a bunch of their communities
Yeah, that was my point
I mean you can post and comment on the programmer humor community pretty long before stumbling on the topic of communism. But yeah I don’t think we disagree here
I have no interest in trying to persuade my friends to create an acc and set up instance blocks before diving in
lemmy.ml is not as tankie, but that bar is the height of my little toe.
Should be the default setting.
Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works are both really good. IIRC .world is hosted in Germany and sh.ithust.works in Canada east coast
You do realise I’m on SJW? And neither of your recs is relevant to the criteria I stated.
Oooh. You’d fit right in at .ml