Who’s the artist that drew this?
AI counts as an artist now?
Funny how people are so much more bothered by an AI-generated image than when people recaption memes they didn’t create. Almost like doing something using software as a tool is worse than using a real person’s work without asking. Weirdly contrived version of moral outrage IMO.
AI generated images are basically tossing a bunch of art you didn’t create into a machine that consumes an enormous amount of resources and then claiming the end result as original art. It’s the same just burning way more resources needlessly.
Image generation as a tool inherently steals works and makes them seem new. Traditiional memes (image with caption) are completely different in that regard as there is no stealing. It would quite literally be covered by Fair Use, as you are adding meaning, creating parody or critiquing to the media.
Even modern memes arent the same, because they add something to the source content. They add or change meaning by well, adding to it or editing it.
AI art does not do any of that. All it does is create a congealed mass of stolen art work and references with zero care, and thats ignoring if it even does that well. If making memes and making art is putting together a nice sandwich, then making AI art is buying a can of Spam, and saying you made it.
No artist, writer, musician, computer rogrammer, or anyone else in the entire world learned to do what they’re good at in a vacuum. Everybody inherently steals works from others - and we’ve been doing it for thousands of years, in a process known as “the spread of civilization”. However, when somebody actually does the work of putting together a piece of art and creating something funny or interesting with it, there’s no outrage when somebody else simply pastes different words on it - which IMO is much more directly “stealing” than making something on the collective body of our whole culture (like AI does).
Don’t get me wrong - I don’t disapprove of memes, in fact I like the idea of people riffing off each other’s work. And I don’t think it’s bad when someone who personally lacks artistic talent uses technology as a tool to get past that inability. Any more than it’s immoral for a paraplegic to use a motorized chair or an artificial voice. For example, there was never any moral backlash against Stephen Hawking for electronically generating a voice instead of hiring an announcer. I don’t believe the people who single out AI as their outrage target have completely thought it through.
This is a lot of words to just say “I myself am not creative so the value of a creative skill has no meaning to me.”
A wheelchair is not stolen, it is made. An artificial voice is not stolen, it is made. The issue with AI art is how the sausage is made, who gets fucked over by it, and the fact that people defend it as if it warrants the same amount of praise as honing a craft for years.
If people want to learn to make art, they’re not going to use a tool that just does it for them. They pick up a pen, pencil, paintbrush, stylus, and start drawing. I’m a programmer, and I can say I didn’t learn programming by using an LLM, and still don’t learn new things by having them done for me. I learn by trying to do it myself.
All I’m getting from you is that you have no respect for art. Not as a skill, not as a medium, not as a way of expressing ones self. You see it as a commodity, a final product, and that is extremely disappointing. Because at the core the issue with AI art is that it has no purpose. It has no nuance, no true human expression, no soul. An AI Van Gogh will not compare to a real Van Gogh, because there was no emotion put into the final product. No stroke on the digital canvas was placed deliberately, but mechanically, algorithmically, with no thought or feeling.
If you really care about art as a form of expression, I suggest learning and interacting with it beyond the digital space. Go to a gallery, research it, talk to some artists about their art journey. You’ll very quickly understand why AI art is problematic as a concept.
LOL dude, I’ve been a stage actor and have worked on tons of theatre productions. Your extrapolations about me are idiotic and this exchange is pointless, buh-bye.
That’s an odd take, because those are separate groups of people. I personally would just prefer text jokes if your ai image or recaptioned meme doesn’t actually add value.
Yeah I’m not trying to describe what individual people do, I’m saying that among people (meaning society or the social media population or whatever) there exists tons of outrage against using AI and almost none against “stealing” other people’s work to make memes.
Trump is handing over influence economic influence on China with this one. With China championing free trade, the (soon to be former) allies of US will become closer to China when it comes to trade.
The US has been dealing with trade for about 250 yrs, China has been dealing with these things for over 2000.
One could flip it around and argue that China has been bad at trade since they have been dealing with these things for over 2000 years and still aren’t number one, even with 3-4 times the population of the US.
Don’t misunderstand me, in the current situation China is absolutely acting in a more rational way. China are making friends. The USA are burning bridges, and more or less punishing their allies for their loyalty.
Cool, now get rid of the AI slop
Generally in favour of that notion.
But I also don’t think being able to communicate ideas visually should be strictly in the domain of people who can draw.
I can’t draw AND Ii don’t have anything worth saying so it isn’t really an issue for me, personally. I just slap impact font on a carefully selected meme template, the way God intended.
Edit: Behold
Even without knowing how to draw, couldnt you just take images from the internet and edit them together?
Aw yes because the effort is what matters?
That is why I tell loggers they should use hands saws. Chainsaws are really just cheating.
But I also don’t think being able to communicate ideas visually should be strictly in the domain of people who can draw.
I was responding to that. I have no intention to argue why something so many people dont want to constantly see should or shouldnt be forced to be seen by those people
I think you got me wrong. I was just commenting down a chain of thought which starts with someone needing to have skill mastery to communicate art to someone who puts images together to do the same.
Where do we draw the line and is effort really the deciding factor or just an excuse for snobbery.
But this is unrelated to the comment you originally replied to
Just having a conversation here.
Now it’s art
Frankly, the problem with AI slop isn’t the AI, it’s the slop. We now get to see what all those “I have so many great ideas, if only I could draw, you’d see!” people’s ideas actually are, and it’s… this shit.
Anyone can draw it just takes time and effort.
“Can’t draw” effectively means “don’t currently have the skill” not “will never be able to”, generally. If it would take hours learning a new skill to create one thing and if you don’t have the available time to do so, then that’s outside of the realm of a reasonable expectation, and thus effectively counts as “can’t”.
Nah lol I can draw this terribly in Paint easy peasy
Nah lol I can draw this terribly in Paint easy peasy
No amount of effort or practicing worked for me. I don’t know if it’s some kind of visual issue, a mental issue, or what. I do have aphantasia, so that might be related? I cannot reproduce something I see. It’s just like the data that make up the thing don’t make sense in a way I can put it on paper,
This is really a teaching issue. There are several techniques that can train your brain how to draw. Arguably you may never be a great artist but you can definitely learn to draw with adequate results.
I’m surprised these images make it so high up on Lemmy when this place is (rightly) so culturally opposed to the stuff.
They can be tough to spot.
but the Slop Sepia
The battle is lost (´；ω；｀)
The arms race is real (╯︵╰,)
Crypto is still bullshit ʕ´• ᴥ•̥`ʔ
But AI is here to stay ʕಠ_ಠʔ
Yeah, I don’t like it either (⌐■-■)
Needs more Pooh.
There’s already a yuge poo
“If I make the number big enough, China will eventually have to start paying the tariffs, right?”
At some point, it’s just time to put in an embargo.
Trump already learned* the word “tariff”, and now you want him to learn another?
*: Yes, I know he doesn’t know the definition of “tariff”, but he knows it’s a word.
I always remember this.
