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Republicans routed as Democrats gain powerful new leverage over Trump for remainder of his presidency
Democrats have regained control of the US Senate, routing Republicans nationwide with historic victories that will give them powerful new leverage over Donald Trump for the remainder of his presidency.
Democrats will soon have the ability to hold up not just Trump’s legislative agenda, but also any appointments he makes to his cabinet or the federal judiciary – including the supreme court, where conservatives have a 6-3 majority.
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We want justice not revenge!!!
I want both
You’re a good person!
We don’t care so much about any “legislative agenda” Trump may have. We care about reining in the corruption, the abuses of authority, illegal executive orders. Will we get a Congress that actually does stuff, will it protect its own constitutional authority, and will it do something about those enriching themselves on their government authority. And that’s before even will government do things for its constituents rather than just its corporate donors.
Winning majorities is only the start
I can already hear my internalized Lemmy voice pointing out that we don’t win anything by choosing the friendly capitalists over the asshole capitalists, and that all the theater over corruption and bigotry are to distract from the only real war: the class war.
But I think you countered that best by saying it’s only a start.
Even if we assume that the US government will look like the best Europe has to offer within a few decades, it will take multiple steps to get there.
And you know what is definitely NOT a step in that direction? Giving the entire government to the fascist racist pedo bigot robber-baron party. We did that TWO years ago.
Congratulations yankees you won an election, now you have to still go out and force them to actually be accountable otherwise this means absolutely nothing
Yeah, now the hard work begins. Hopefully all the mobilization and coalition building done to get us here can keep the momentum going.
And for fuck’s sake they have to oust Schumer and Jeffries if we want to get anything done without Israel’s interference.
With this large of a pool you will probably have a pretty guaranteed spot for speaker since they can tolerate a lot of no votes. If things don’t go well you can expect a speaker change within a year.
Since so many Dems are still owned by corps and Israel, this majority isn’t really a majority.
We will see how much theatre they are willing to do to look like the good guys without actually doing anything or stopping trump.
In the meantime, I’m enjoying watching Trump try to spin this.
I hope a lot of his lackeys are getting real nervous about criminal charges.
He’s already tried in the last couple weeks to tell voters to pretend he is on the ballot but is now claiming that because he wasn’t on the ballot they didn’t vote for him. They DID vote massively against him but he will never acknowledge that. Now will just have to wait to see how obstructionist he will be. Hope some GOP Senators that kept their seats will see that they need to help make things better for Americans or they could still be on the chopping block in 2 years. Aiding Trump is what got so many GOP turfed yesterday.
Agreed. I think Talarico and Al-Sayed are going to make meaningful changes.
This was a huge victory, but it’s Gettysburg, not Appomattox. It’s a turning point, but it’s not over.
Not good enough. We need the supermajority and we need to reshape the Dem leadership, the Supreme Court, etc. we need to dominate the next several election cycles.
I just hope this decisive result is in part because the republicans and Trump are SO bad that they have driven people to wake the fuck up and choose a more noble worldview.
I just hope it’s something other than fuel prices. I really hope that this result would be vaguely similar if the Iran war never happened. Having hope in people again would feel neat.
One step at a time
Yes, nothing says democracy like the need to dominate.
Democracy is a competition of ideas. Do you have a proposal for some form of democracy that does not use elections?
Now boot Schumer and Jeffries, because they’ll be doing their best to take the GOP’s place.
Write your local reps now and demand that they not be put in charge again.
Bruh if they put those guys back in charge Americans need to fucking riot.
Think of all the letters they can write!
Jeffries thinks he gets paid to advertise Depends.
Bring back Sinema and Joe Manchin \s
…and where’s John Fetterman? Is he a Republican yet?
Speaker doesn’t have to be current elected person, they could still pick Obama if they want. Trump would hate that.
Democrats will have their work cut out for them. They will need to recruit 12 Republican Senators to have a veto proof Senate or Trump will stop each and every thing they might try to do. Their best bet is to stop ICE, fix ACA, prosecute corruption on an expedited time line, reverse tarrifs, get Citizen United cancelled, start taxing billionaires and major corporations in order to pay for American citizens services, tell Putin to get out of all of the Ukraine immediately, and tell Isreal to make the Israeli/Palestinian coalition government work. That might get them the next Presidency and keep majorities in Congress and Senate. Anything less and it’s likely GOP can gain ground.
I now wonder: will the world become better? I am not in the US, but Trump was felt throughout the world… Hopefully the general unemployment situation improves…
Unfortunately, everything the US has done since Trump took office has made life harder for the world’s poorest. You might even start to believe that was the intention.
It isn’t complete. They don’t have a super majority in the senate, so any impeachments just won’t get carried out. It’s also unclear how with all major federal agencies compromised by cronies it would be carried out.
It’s good news because it shows how incompetent Trump is at securing his own authoritarian bid, but it is not a victory for democrats. Supreme Court is still stuffed, and worse, all federal agencies have been compromised. I doubt it will simply be a lame duck presidency if federal agencies continue to follow presidential decrees while ignoring congress unless the Supreme Court tells them to. Impeachments can’t go through, Trump can still create exceptions from having to follow the law with “pre-emptive pardons”, he can still prolong signing bills until he eventually vetoes them, and any investigations preceding impeachments are going to be heavily MAGA partisan by the federal agencies in charge.
The more people hear of “Democrats winning”, the more MAGA will spin bad things as “it’s their fault, things are now much worse after they won, you can thank us because it’s not even worse”. That won’t matter right now, but in several years, people have shit memories. Democrats haven’t won yet, they’ve just made it harder for Trump after and if they get sworn in next year.
any impeachments just won’t get carried out.
They’d need to find 12 republican senators who are unhappy with what that lame duck president did to their majority.
That’s… actually not as impossible as I thought. Especially since many of them will want to try to push the couch fucker to replace him.
Today we will be happy!
Later, yes, that’s how media will spin it and the foolish fall for it unfortunately. I couldn’t believe how many comments seemed to imply they thought the rapist was up for election this time. Too many don’t understand how it works, Dems can’t do whatever they want with a simple majority and no president. Hopefully enough understand to not blame them in two years, and they are able to do some good where they can. Also recognize it takes longer to build things than to destroy them. People need to plan long-term too, not expect immediate gratification in all areas of life, since that’s not realistic, responsible or mature. When they feel the artificial scarcity increase again, forced by companies that choose higher prices, lower wages and to lay-off people, they get afraid and swing the other way, for the “strong leader” who blames minorities for social problems, but hopefully not again. Today we will be happy though!
They don’t have a super majority, so everything they do will be vetoed. So why not get rid of filibuster now? It seems the perfect time.
I just want to know who the 2 dipshits are that downvoted this post. Have fun raging about your life getting better, morons.
- Not everybody is an American, so it’s (possibly) not “your life”.
- There are reasons to downvote something other than the first half of a headline. For instance the second half of this headline. I would be very, very careful of assuming that “US voters reject Trump’s agenda”. It’s not only GOP rhetoric to suspect that MAGA voters can’t be bothered to get off their asses if Trump is not himself on the ballot. The situation might be completely different in two years.
MAGA voters can’t be bothered to get off their asses if Trump is not himself on the ballot. The situation might be completely different in two years.
Trump cannot run for a third term. Unless he runs for a seat in congress or a state office, he won’t be on a ballot. Maybe as vice president but his ego wouldnct allow that.
Ok, good point. But then, do his voters know that? There’s still time to introduce a substitute – but you’re probably right that his ego will stand in the way of even that.
Fortunately for us Trump is a unique draw for these people. An extremely rare mix of absolute evil and inexplicable charisma. It’s also fortunate for us he’s a lot of an idiot.
I see your points and don’t want to seem like I’m just arguing for no reason, but I would definitely generalize this to the world. The amount of damage this asshole and his merry band of psychopaths have caused extends far beyond the US. This WILL make life better than it otherwise would have been for the whole world.
It sucks that when we elect the worst people among us to office, their damage isn’t contained within the borders of the country. He can still do damage, and the Democrats aren’t known for effectively executing on a boon like this, but at least we’re not going full pants on head, balls to the wall insane for a while.
Not a single blue->red flip even in the house. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before.
It’s good and all but they should have rejected his trash two years ago and the world would be better off the past two years. Renee and Alex would still be alive along with many others and no concentration camps and all that cruel and unusual suffering. All caused by electing the maga scum that promised all that, revenge and retribution, grab her by the p, and they said that’s for us!! Great to go to the ER if needed, but much better to not shoot your foot on purpose at all.
It’s an indictment of the party nomination primary and voting system. A ranked choice with more candidates would have worked much better.
2024 was rough. I swear Biden said he wasn’t going to run in 2020 and when he did I thought he could beat Donald again but it was clear he wasn’t the same right from the start. Replacing him was a historic fumble that should be studied. I voted as hard as I could but there are election-winning margins of people who simply won’t vote for a woman or a minority.
Most hilarious is that all the redone maps actually went Democrat.
There was one stare where Republican government refused to redo maps, because they were afraid exactly this would happen. Guess they can say “told you so”.
The goal of gerrymandering is to create a greater number of “safe” districts. The tradeoff is sacrificing margin in each, which fundamentally doesn’t work if there’s a large enough turnout.
Also, fuck the Supreme Court of Virginia.
Some of them were built with the shift in Latino votes being assumed.
Gerrymandering creates a damn where you can lose a few points and keep all your seats, but if you lose a few more, the damn breaks and all the seats get washed away.
Exactly the opposite.
Instead of winning one district by a lot and losing 2, you redraw the map to win all three by a little.
The result isn’t more safe districts, it’s less.
to win three by a little
Which means that if you miscalculate that “little”, you lose all 3. As the parent comment states.
That’s why I had that word in quotes.
That’s one of the down sides of gerrymandering. If the other side reaches a high enough level of turnout, it actually magnifies your loss.
I cheer for the democratic win, I believe it is for the good of the nation and the world.
but I hate that I feel this was not Americans kicking out Nazis, but (to a large part) Americans whining about expensive dinosaur juice. Anyway, a win is a win.
Corruption was the number 2 issue in most polls. The economy is always the top issue for Americans when the economy sucks but it should be somewhat heartening that corruption and concerns about democracy were also really high on the list
Yeah liberals are going to be very annoying after this, already my coworker is ecstatic and said Trump is a “communist authoritarian r*tard“ and probably act like everything is fine until primary season, while these new progressives will probably fail to slow down or stop imperialist policies overseas, ICE/Police violence (some may even keep ice/police just the same as it was).
I’m a little personally worried that my new governor (Klobuchar) is going to gut Minnesota’s healthcare even more but we’ll see.
Americans whining about expensive
dinosaurbrown children juice. FTFYYeah, do you think Haley Steven’s was the only blue Nazi? How many didn’t have to show their true colors and got pushed through?
Let’s see what happens with Israel, let’s see what they accomplish at home. I am worried there are a lot more wolves in blue clothing that we didn’t out yet.
I don’t think are unproblematic, to me it’s clearly a “lesser of two evils” thingy. It’s a move in the right direction, not the solution to all problems obviously. Yea, let’s see. Fingers crossed.
I’m smelling sour grapes from a troll
I’m smelling a democrat employee who only allows rainbows and sunshine to be spoken about. I voted blue straight through you donkey.
Your feelings don’t matter.
Also, they didn’t kick out any Nazis. Just Republicans.
Americans would have fought Nazis to the death, of course, just like last time. Luckily for us there weren’t any seizing power, eh?
Time to learn history about what actually happened to the Nazis. Start with operation paperclip.
Also, they didn’t kick out any Nazis. Just Republicans.
So… Nazis? If you’re a republican, your party is the Nazi MAGA party. Therefore you are one as well.
Don’t try and sugarcoat this shit. Republicans are Nazis by definition as long as MAGA is still a thing.
To me, my feelings matter. To you they seem to matter, as you chose to enter a conversation with me :-) thanks for your empathy!
For your view on Nazis: I don’t share this. I can see clear fascist components in the current government.
Americans didn’t give an eff about Nazis until the Nazis’ friends literally bombed us.
Uh, Operation Paperclip?
No. But there was a very prominent nazi feeding the republicans lots of cash for votes, wasn’t there? So, nazi, once removed.
You hate that democrats led a commanding rebuke against trump in the best way possible?
Are you an edgy teenager or something?
This is the result we wanted.
It was a rebuke of more than just gas prices despite what some of the media reported.
Alot of people voted for pretti and good.
So much negativity on a day of such positivity.
One major difference between lemmy and reddit. Feels like teenager vibes.
Edit: thank God my notifications are off
Edge Lord city
Make fun of people all you want; we as Americans have a responsibility to hold our elected officials, yes even ones YOU VOTED FOR, accountable. You are allowed to have a good day and be happy about this but remember that fighting fascism doesn’t just end at the ballot box.
Nobody is trying to spoil your awesome blue wave feeling, just don’t get complacent and use this opportunity to shit on the left.
Funny enough I got off Reddit to specifically avoid this sentiment.
The Democrats are very nearly as unpopular as the Republicans. People supported them not because they like the Democrats, but because they hate the Republicans. Socialism is still a necessity for a system that works for the people, and that still requires revolution. Revolution isn’t just something you do, or something that falls into your lap. It happens when there is a large, revolutionary socialist party, a class conscious working class, and a crisis in the capitalist class. We can directly contribute to the first two by getting involved with a socialist party. Both Freedom Road Socialist Organization and the Party for Socialism and Liberation have two tiers of membership, general membership which is low commitment in time and money, and cadre membership, which requires significant time and money. See which is more active near you (almost certainly PSL, but varies), and consider joining the general membership!
Fuck the haters man, we can still enjoy the win
so do I, no hate here. Also pointed that out explicitly!
You can enjoy the win, but also recognize that enough of the criminal Trump loyalists in the GOP got re-elected that it’s doubtful we’ll see any impeachments or charges for those disdainful fucks.
The fact that this criminal administration has any support is disgusting.
Just like Ender’s Game. “How we win matters”.
Not that I care either way tbh. And I agree it does sound a bit childish to put it that way but I feel you’re missing the point of what they said.
Voting out high prices and voting out pedophiles / “nazis” are not the same thing.
Seriously, I feel like I’m on fucking Reddit with the doomerism.
I mean it’s great that a bunch of shitheads were removed from office but we haven’t seen the results yet. It’s not like democrats haven’t shit away their opportunities to actually fix things before. There’s a great deal of precedent for us to be worried about.
I made it very clear that I cheer for the win, did you miss that?
It’s nice to see people turning on trump but this doesn’t really mean anything. Almost everything trump has done ( ICE raids, Iran war, Tariffs) has been done through executive power which he still has. He’s never gotten congressional approval for any of it, nor does he need to as long as the supreme court is still stacked with GOP
The one positive is that senate seats are held for 6 years, so it’ll be easier for a dem administration that replaces trump in 2028 to pass stuff.
Alan Iverson meme only he’s saying “Texas” instead of “practice.”
