We’re all just waiting to see him openly admit to messing with the tabulator systems in the election. He could get some kind of plea bargain, and try to save his reputation (though it wouldn’t work).
To anyone curious look up the lawsuits from SMART and Election Truth Alliance already being filed in several states. Lots and lots of “statistical irregularities” that look a lot like Russian ballot stuffing in Soviet Bloc countries.
I’m getting pretty tired of hearing people spout the copium that the election was “rigged” when it’s the far more sinister complete capture by the monied class, first past the post, active voter suppression and gerrymandering, and loopholes allowing billionaires to fund the campaigns of whoever they choose.
The election wasn’t rigged, the elections are barely democratic.
Same as in Singapore. Each election isn’t fake, just set up to bring the PAP back to majority government without fail.
That being said, you really need to get rid of your voting machines, that is a really risky practice, and I’ll grant it is possible those were hacked. (I’m assuming you’re from the US). If you’re okay with that possibility, then you also have to admit it was possible when Trump lost.
Voting machines are dumb.
I like your general idea, but when you speak in broad terms and make claims that the election wasn’t rigged, when we have specific examples of ways that it was, nobody believes you except people who already did.
You could have said that nobody tampered with voting machines. I don’t think that’s true, because we have some specific evidence that people did, but we don’t have any large-scale evidence. So it’s quite possible that voting machine tampering was irrelevant.
What’s more relevant is things like disenfranchising voters after the election happened, and mailbox burning, and rules that prevent felons from voting, all of which benefit the Republicans. And gerrymandering of course. Those things all happened, and some of them were very large-scale. I think most people would say those count as rigging the election. So if you’re not talking about that, you need to be more specific.
Kinda sounds like we agree.
What I mean is that the system wasn’t legally “rigged”, more than it already was morally so.
What I mean is that is wasn’t “more” rigged than it already was in 2020.
All the “statistical irregularities” I’ve read about have turned out to be bullshit.
The most promising one was about “bullet ballots” where votes were cast for president, but no other race. He gave numbers, explained very clearly how they were odd, etc. it sounded legit.
The moment I tried to verify those numbers, they turned out to be bullshit. No, the number of bullet ballots in North Carolina aren’t the numbers you just said. No, the bullet ballots in swing states are not wildly different from nearby states.
We just voted for this shit. Propaganda on TV and social media worked.
Let me preface it with: yes we need multiple independent verifications of the analysis, pulling from their own state data source, using their own code, to show the same thing, before we can really take this seriously. I would fully expect Russia to help one side cheat, then expose it to the other (let’s assume they’re backing up these SMART and ETA groups), in order to sow even more internal chaos. So yes, take it all with a grain of salt.
However, the big things were the drop off rate (difference between presidential candidate and next position on the ballot) being really suspect against Harris, and after a certain number of ballots were cast in any given machine the rates separated quite a bit for Trump. Why would more popular locations in a city favor Trump more, and why specifically only after a certain number of votes on that machine? Also the Russian Tail is visible in many precincts. Finally there wasn’t a single country/precinct that flipped to Harris, which hasn’t been done in over 100 years. Even Reagan’s landslide election had a few flip to Mondale.
Do you think that all of these elections were so close, and yet such a landslide for Trump somehow, oh and also all of them were just large enough to not trigger an automatic recount? Then all of the shit Trusk have said about the elections: not needing the votes, Elon knows the computers, etc.
All of this is enough to at least further investigate. I fully believe this is something they would do.
Find actual data before you spread conspiracy theories.
after a certain number of ballots were cast in any given machine the rates separated quite a bit for Trump
Where’s a reliable source for this?
And yeah, it’s no surprise that Harris was less popular than Biden, Obama, or Billy. That covers what, 50 years of your 100?
They don’t need to manipulate machines when they can just manipulate us. Even now, the prevailing narrative on Lemmy isn’t fuck the GOP for destroying our country, gulaging people, grifting on an unprecedented scale, destroying our economy, and destroying the Judicial branch whole ignoring the Constitution. (What is habeas corpus?) The prevailing narrative isn’t about how we stop this.
No, the prevailing narrative here is fuck the democrats for not doing anything about it with the zero branches of government we gave them. Some of that is genuine frustration. But the stuff that is genuine is seeded and cultivated intentionally.
All current social media enables fascism. Maybe we should focus on that instead of trying to find things that aren’t there.
Like I said, these need to be verified by multiple independent groups: https://electiontruthalliance.org/clark-county%2C-nv
Of course they manipulate us, and pass voter suppression/gerrymandering laws that have been ruled unconstitutional multiple times, etc. That doesn’t mean they didn’t also take more drastic measures to win the election.
Get offline a bit bud. I can see you have like bubble-mind. The prevailing narrative that I’ve seen is fuck the GOP and everything I’ve just said.
Wolfeboro, New Hampshire flipped.
He could say he fucked with it today, and for whatever reason, no one would do a thing about it
We all saw him do a Nazi salute, twice, on live TV.
All all we got was “pfft, if you’re not even reciting the 14 words and doing it to a picture of the führer, is it even a real Nazi salute?”
Yeah, nothing matters if they do it and everything matters if everyone else does. And for some reason, that’s just allowed.
No one on the right believes it was a Nazi salute. There were pics of Tim Walz doing almost the same shortly afterwards. I’m not saying it was the same, but I am saying people on the right don’t believe it.
Yeah my hopes aren’t high, but I don’t think no one would do a thing. I think Democrats would call for investigations, Republicans would mock them and say “who are the election deniers now”, and Fox/OAN/Twitter would pave it over like it’s a bunch of crazies.
Democrats can’t wipe their own prostate-inflated asses.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I always figured Musk with his age inappropriate kid buddies like Big Balls and the Geek Squad teamed up with some Russian hackers to rig the voting machines. But from what I’m seeing now, it seems like even that won’t be enough for anyone to take any meaningful action to remove Trump and put him on trial for his countless crimes. That’s why I don’t think the pee tapes exist. Blackmail is ineffective. He can literally do any goddamn thing and no one stops him.
I think he was going for a prosecutorial immunity / vance pardon thing. I doubt he cares about his public image at this point
What does that mean? The first part
Might have use the wrong term, but I’m talking about when the feds promises immunity to a snitch working in an organized crime organization in exchange for their testimony.
I see Elon’s change as nothing but trying to fix his stocks that got decimated. Seems like it’s orchestrated probably with trumps approval.
I do wonder how this could possibly save his stocks. Anyone who was dumping stocks of companies where he was involved isn’t going to buy them back simply because he’s cutting ties with Trump.
If anything this will make his stocks dive even further because now he won’t even be able to get government contracts via corruption.
As a European i just see a bunch of clowns throwing a tantrum and ruining a country.
Sad for the people that have common sense and didn’t vote for a clown/grifter. USA has real issues and I dont see then fixing it any time soon (coming 20 years).
The idea of Trump getting ousted next term and all of the Republican party just…existing as normal makes me sick. They should be disbanded as a party and everyone who is in office now should be barred from politics. They are complicit in the deconstruction of the US.
They should be marched into the sea.
This was my immediate thought. These guys aren’t the brightest, but rich guys hire smart strategists.
This could still absolutely be orchestrated to rehab Musk’s image, but there’s no way it will “fix his stocks”. For the most part, the only people who would be caught dead buying Teslas recently were MAGA freaks. And now he’s alienated them with his feud with Dear Leader. After the share price was already falling and Teslas sales were down over 70%, at least in the US. I think it will truly nosedive now…
I don’t see how he comes back from this. Originally I thought he could do it if Trump subsidized the shit out of his companies. (Like an executive order that requires all police cars be Tesla or some similar lol bullshit.) But now with him and Trump all piss baby tweet fighting, I don’t see it. Will be an interesting shitshow to watch.
I just wonder how does the tweet fight works? one talking on truth social and the other on exTwitter?
I didn’t really follow this to know
I’m not sure, the general public are very fickle and have short memories.
It goes further than that. It’s because dogs really fucked up lots of things and he wants out before people catch wind.
Birds of a feather…
Pedos helping pedos, pedos calling out pedos for being pedos…
Hey, don’t slander Elon ! He only assaulted grown-up people ! ^as ^far ^as ^we ^know ^anyway
He’ll never see anything on Lemmy, but on big social media and late night TV…
I could really see the argument that we should all by hyping them both up and making them think snitching on each other makes everyone love them
trump and Musk really do want everyone to love them. They’re just stupid awful people.
So why not just fucking lie to them and egg this on until they start saying shit and providing receipts about real crimes
I kind of want Trump to either nationalize everything Musk owns that gets DoD funds or for him to force Musk from his positions within them.
That’d be communism
Pfft, just need a better word for it.
“Patriot Control” or “Freedom Ownership”.
Simple and with words that make it sound like a 4th of July celebration.
I like “Freedom Control”, that sounds doubleplus good.
Make America American Again
MAAA
Hi goat
For Democracy! For Super Earth!
The Patriot Act was the worst thing we’d ever seen. And then Obama expnded it. Current leadership: “Hold my beer.”
Only the first part would be anti-capitalist. The second option is required by law as executives of defense contractors cannot use illegal drugs.
I wouldn’t be surprise to see him sell Defense contracts to shell companies owned by foreign nations like Saudi Arabia before he nationalizes anything…
I see him doing this more as an opportunity to generate conflict between their cults, weakening them, dividing them.
Any “Rah rah Elon! Get him!” from me should be assumed to be egging this on, and not actual support. He gets no credit or absolution for this, it is entirely self serving, and possibly not even fully real (given the narcissism involved, I doubt it, but still worth considering given the lying shitbags we’re dealing with).
I want them to eat each other. Figuratively, sure, but also very. VERY. Literally. If at all possible.
It wouldn’t be a 50/50 split, I think Trump’s cult is a lot more dedicated and numerous than Elon’s, but still, better to have them fighting each other than not.
Yup.
Let them fight.
The genius is back
