What a fucking weird and racist post. “not even the Irish want to be Irish”
It really is. As an American with some Irish, (if its a white from eastern europe it turned up on our dna test thingy) Im not sure if I or actual Irish people should be more offended.
The Irish have had a very
shittytroubled past, is probably what they’re getting atThey didn’t choose to be brutally colonized by the English
Nah, don’t agree. They established a hierarchy of “good nationalities” to be and put others like Irish and Lithuanian below them.
My wee Irish grandmother would take issue with this. Her pride was more about being Catholic, but she was definitely Irish. Soda bread. Weird Easter pastries. Ya, cabbage and alcohol too. Just little bits and bobs of Irish culture.
… Um … I personally claim that I’m a European mutt. Drunkards all.
Idk lol some of our ancestors are just from a place and sometimes that place is Ireland. Want my white-ass to lie to you instead?
I’m Hatian now.
It’s just a very foreign thing for us eurooeans. If we’re born in Italy, but some grandparent was born in Germany, we don’t consider ourself to be german in any way. We’d consider ourself italian and nothing else. It just seems so incredibly odd to even consider oneself to be german if you didn’t spend time growing up in Germany.
I think the reason it’s so prevalent here in the US is because the vast majority of the population ended up here at least in part due to immigration. So identifying as ethnically originating from elsewhere is a part of that self identity.
The disparity however, is knowing that while traveling through Europe, this style of self identification falls flat because simply being ethnically from a place doesn’t mean you can claim to be born and raised from there. And that meaning is what’s different between the US and Europe.
I wonder if some of it doesn’t come from the people who came to America through forced immigration (I.e. the slave trade).
I think it makes sense for people brought unwillingly to America to hold on to that ethnic heritage and culture work hard to instill it in their children, even if they were born in America.
Very unlikely, the people who claim to have some european origin are generally not the descendants of slaves. Descendants of slaves generally have very little knowledge about the origin of their ancestors. Slaves in America came mostly from Africa, most likely even displaced within Africa. Very little records were kept of individual slaves origins, because why would anyone do that, they’re slaves. These people identify as “just” African Americans.
I think you misunderstood. I wasn’t talking about the people who claim to have some European origin but the practice in general in the US of acknowledging ancestral ethnic heritage as part of where you’re from.
Descendants of slaves generally have very little knowledge about the origin of their ancestors.
This might be true now, but 200 years ago people were brought here from other countries unwillingly and had children here. If we’re were forcefully taken to another country and then had children at some point I would talk to them about the people left behind and where I came from.
I guess that makes sense. We have our “heritage” pushed on us from a very young age, or at least we did when I was a child. In the 4th grade we did an entire reenactment of immigrating through Ellis Island, NY in which we had to research our countries of origin, then draw from a hat to see if we died on the journey, got small pox, or any other number of things all before being “accepted into the wonderful cultural melting-pot that is the United States”.
Then we grew up and learned that all immigrants are evil and must all be deported. /s?
Regardless, my family immigrated from Ireland after having lived in County Cork for a very long time. This whole post just seems like shitting on people just to shit on people.
Sad thing to be, nonsensical thing to want to be
Well, thanks for calling me sad for a thing I’m mostly indifferent about and have no choice in, OP.
It’s the same nonsense as invoking “the luck of the Irish”. Said by people who have absolutely no idea about Irish history.
Darn those extra lucky Irish.
In Fact it’s well known that they fought overwhelming on the north side of the US civil war because they knew which side was gonna win from their luck, and it had nothing to do with recognizing slavery as another form of the serfdom they just escaped from.
My great grandparents came to the US and claimed to be Irish. We strongly suspect this was a lie and they were German but arrived during a time where Germans were… unpopular.
It’s economically stable white people trying to find a way to be the victim.
You don’t see actually marginalized white people (poor, disabled, etc) doing this, just suburban Karens and shitEdit:
All these down votes but no counterarguments.
It’s almost like people are mad because not only does this perfectly explain the phenomenon, but we can see tons of examples in American society of the oppressors trying to claim victimhood for repercussions to their actions. The glove fits.Citizenship question: my grandfather’s parents were born in Ireland. My grandfather, who didn’t know he had been adopted until much later in life (by a Jewish woman), became an Irish citizen in his 50s and had dual citizenship until his death.
As a desperate American… can I get Irish citizenship through my grandfather, a naturalized Irish citizen who was not born in Ireland?? I can (understandably) not find an answer to this on the Irish citizenship website.
Sincerely, an American who spent 12 hours protesting at a No Kings rally yesterday
I don’t think so, it has to be more direct IIRC. I’ve been looking into it too, for the same reasons. My Great Grandmother emigrated here… nope.
One of your grandparents had to be born in Ireland, not just obtained Irish citizenship later in life. If he was born in Ireland, you’ll need his original birth certificate. More info here.
That said, I have a few formerly US coworkers who did get Irish citizenship by naturalization. That requires life in Ireland for at least 5 out of the last 9 years. Studying doesn’t count, so you’ll either have your current employer transfer you here, or you’ll find a job and move here. Your employer will apply for a 2-year work visa, which can be extended for another 3 years, after which you can apply for permanent residency. If you are employed in one of the critical skills jobs, you can apply for permanent residency in less than 2 years.
I have a friend who came over from Moscow and is an immigrant to the U.S. herself. A few years ago she started telling me she has Irish heritage and she knows it because she felt it in her bones and can see it in her dreams. Now she goes twice a year to ‘reconnect with her roots.’ She was so confident that she did a 23andme and it showed that she was 99% of her heritage with a 1% broadly european. That 1% is what she is now claiming is her Irish portion.
I don’t know. I really don’t even know.
Mine said I was 0.2% Mongolian so now I endearingly tell stories of my Grandpa Khan.
You need to be listening to The Hu now all day every day to reconnect with your roots. And also just because they are awesone
if 1% irish heritage makes you irish then i should be able to claim citizenship in most of europe
Fucking no one tell this person about the EU and free movement.
I use it to explain my massive capacity for alcohol
“I’m scotch/Irish on one side and German on the other, 3 generations both sides and they bred in the community until my parents!” as I’m on my third boot and finally starting to slur my speech lol
I usually joke “The Polish in me knows how to drink, the Irish in me doesn’t know how to stop.”
Beat me to it. Take my upvote!
I think some people just like to be in touch with their ancestry which isn’t suddenly cringe when you’re white. But I think for some other people it’s genuinely part of their victim complex. Irish people were among the most oppressed white minorities back in the day.
Irish people were among the most oppressed white minorities back in the day.
Most of the Irish Americans I know are just keen on dishing it back out to whatever Other they can target. I’m also related to most of the Irish Americans I know, so take that as you will.
I’ve got Irish heritage. My dentist asked me about it because I have a red beard (brown hair). She explained that people with red hair are less responsive to Novocain. I always knew I wasn’t bullshitting that the dentist hurt me as a teen. Finally, proof!
Not only Novocain, but lots of different types of anesthesia. Im a ginger and have woken up in several procedures, even after warning the doctor I probably would.
Sounds like hell.
The band Eels in their song Novocaine for the Soul claims that efficacy of that drug is linked to having a soul and as we all know ginger do not have one.
Guess I’m a day-walker.
I suppose you can’t blame your earlier dentists, though. How were they supposed to know? And if they automatically treated redheads differently, would that be racism?
It’s not racist to treat patients differently when you’re talking about how likely they are to react to drugs. Children/teens tend to become bewildered and/or violent when waking up from anesthesia. It’s not ageist to prepare for a worse case scenario by calling all hands on deck to hold them down to prevent injury.
Young men come up fighting as well. My ex-wife worked in surgery and got punched a few times. Don’t know what I’d be like now, but as a young men, back the hell up from the bed.
You ask, because certain physical characteristics are known to be linked more often with certain things than others
I think Americans caring about there heritage lives rent free in too many European heads. It doesn’t affect anyone’s day to day, and explains some weird idiosyncrasies in life.
It’s toned down since 23andMe was new, but I absolutely know people that will regularly call themselves by whatever European group they think gives them character.
I always ask if they have an EU passport.
Missed out on one by a couple years through the citizenship by ancestry program:-/
I just love the shade thrown to Ireland, Guatemala and Lithuania. he did not hold back. “Not even the Irish want to be Irish” 😭 Also I think he is American.
Was gonna quote trainspotting, but realized it’s scots.
Tommy: Doesn’t it make you proud to be Scottish?
Mark “Rent-boy” Renton: It’s SHITE being Scottish! We’re the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don’t. They’re just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can’t even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We’re ruled by effete arseholes. It’s a SHITE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won’t make any fucking difference!
Scottish people live in a completely different reality were they were the victims of the British empire and not its biggest beneficiaries.
Don’t worry lithuanians also don’t want to be lithuanians.
Speak for yourself, I’m proud to speak a language barely anyone can learn
What language is it?
Just confirmed.
Person “In what part(s) of the world do you live?”
NEET: “Pennsylvania, America”
Your welcome
Your welcome
His welcome, sure, but what about the rest of our welcomes?
weird idiosyncrasies
Agreed, ChocoboEnthusiast
Don’t listen to them, you can be as enthusiastic about chocobos as you like! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Please dont bang the chocobo :(
It’d never wark out between us.
Guatemala is awesome. The countryside is beautiful and the people are descended from one of humanity’s major civilizations, the Mayans.
I realize OP is only half-serious, but they still come off as really ignorant.
As someone who is doing a massive research project on the Maya peoples right now, that civilization was technologically way ahead of the game! They had toilets with a sewage system, clean aqueducts and water purification measures, and ball sports a thousand years before the colonizers that fucked em up. A THOUSAND YEARS.
Not to mention the 200 000 people cities when in Europe a 50k city was considered big
I’ve been asking this same goddamn question dude. I don’t get it
The Irish was the last white European immigrant community that was treated poorly after immigration so by claiming to be part of that they get to claim to be part of that oppression and use it to pretend to themselves they are an underdog regardless how much their existence would be unlike any actual Irish immigrants.
LOL, but the Italians came with basically the rest of Eastern/southern Europe for work around that time and were just wrapped up in the generic anti-immigration zeitgeist and the Polish, Slavs, Greek, etc didn’t complain as much and didn’t even manage to turn a bedtime story about a creepy Italian dude into a story of how they secretly actually founded America first.
Though apparently up to like half of Italian immigrants were known to return home after they saved up enough money from US factory work. I think they just didn’t like being in the US.
That is gross
like… were a nation of immigrants. it’s part of your identity in the US.
Not according to ICE.
