And then they raised the price, so anyone who goes back sheet this is punished for leaving in the first place. Screw Disney.
It hurt itself
in its confusiondoing exactly as it was told by the orange diaper manThis just shows that the whole “muh, it is the corporations fault for the climate emergency, there is nothing I can do about it!” is a load of BS. You can vote with your wallet. Become anti-consumption.
That’s an incredibly naive and misinformed opinion you’ve got there. Most of the companies polluting are not businesses that members of the public buy services from. The vast majority of the largest polluters are business to business providers, Joe public can’t do anything about that.
Just look up Monsanto, if we took them out the total pollution worldwide would probably drop by about 50% but they sell to farmers, so you might say well don’t buy from farmers that buy from Monsanto but the problem is all farmers buy from Monsanto, so there isn’t another option.
It takes two to tango, they say. Corporations have a lot more wallet to vote with, as it were - but we are not powerless or blameless when we support them out of complacency.
But I’m hungry for climate
You can have your climate after you’ve eaten your short range weather patterns young man
Butt mum
What a terribly stupid and wrong take.
Good.
Liberals make up more of the consumer class than conservatives. That highly marketable strata of people that have disposable income tend to be affluent, college educated liberals. Its why they keep winning the culture war and it drives conservatives insane.
It also helps that the conservatives constantly shoot themselves in their foot by defining their own reality. They decide for example that people don’t like “the gays” but really it’s only the right wing thugs that really have an opinion. The moderate conservatives aren’t bothered one way or the other. So now they’re trying to sell policies to subjugate a group of people that probably only about quarter of their membership really care about.
It is really obvious with Trump, they just invent entire new things to be mad about, like this Tylenol thing. That just came out of thin air because they couldn’t think of anything else to distract people with, but even their own supporters don’t really care about it because until about 3 weeks ago it wasn’t a claim that anyone was making.
Yes, and most of that consumer base needs to stop tolerating quite a bit of reactionary bullshit (yes, American “conservatives” aren’t conservative, they don’t keep status quo, they actively destroy it for regression, they are reactionary).
Conservatives have always been reactionary. This isn’t a US thing it’s a global thing, they don’t want to keep things the same they want to return to some rose-tinted version of history that never existed. They’re the ones that call themselves conservative.
But you can’t call everyone you disagree with a delusional idiot even if they are, because the insult loses its power. So we might as well call them by then preferred name
the problem is these corps/media is controlled mostly by conservative ceos, which will lick TRUMPs boot anytime, they are fickle and untrustworthy, but the gop is the most consistent in not interfering with “unethical business pratices”, plus they also use these media/ to issue propaganda in many forms, like you said to institute culture wars.
Corporations don’t have stable political identities.
They’ll promote trans people if it makes them money.
And then sell trans people to ICE the next quarter if it makes them even more money.
And then use a shell company to sell trans merch to the people boycotting them.
That depends on whether the person in charge has any. See rupert murdoch, or the red bull owner basically saying it would be great if he could also be like murdoch.
A company that’s controlled by investors (aka mostly banks trying to get returns) will basically always just chase short term profit though, and that’s most of them.
To pressure these companies into doing the morally right thing, we would have to pressure the banks, but that seems hardly realistic since shifting your money away from one in response to an event like this is anywhere from majorly inconvenient to impossible, plus there’d be a direct monetary tradeoff that a lot of people either can’t or aren’t willing to take.
Nice. None of those “go woke go broke” boycotts ever actually materialize into meaningful business pressure.
Unless you’re fucking Cracker Barrel.
Most CEOs are generally bright enough to look at the sales data rather than all of the online rhetoric and if the sales data isn’t going down they can ignore everything else.
Everyone knows the right are terrible at organising themselves, they need a central figure in lieu of that they never achieve anything. When they try and boycott something it generally fails because most of them will continue to use the service while declaring loudly online that their not. The right don’t have actual moral values, other than selfishness.
lol they are already on another “cracker barrel trend” right now, about a music performer making maga mad. also CB situation was fueled mostly by a certain propaganda source.
Unless you’re fucking Cracker Barrel.
Which was manufactured outrage, spawned by a few Shitter posts which were then amplified by a huge bot network.
by russia too.
Cracker Barrel is so far in the red that the logo redesign was a hail mary move. They couldn’t afford to lose the tiny number of people who still frequent their trash diners.
Oh no! Anyway…
How do you use firewire on modem operating systems? I need to know.
I have to confess that I don’t actually use FireWire, nor have I ever used it to transfer anything. I just thought the port looked cool…
You might be bi
Nah, I’m not. Besides, what?
That’s fair. Thanks for being honest, at least.
If it’s Linux, sounds like it should just work out of box, at least for a while longer.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/linux-to-support-firewire-until-2029
Linux to Support Firewire Until 2029
The ancient connectivity standard still has years of life ahead of it.
Firewire is getting a new lease on life and will have extended support up to 2029 on Linux operating systems. Phoronix reports that a Linux maintainer Takashi Sakamoto has volunteered to oversee the Firewire subsystem for Linux during this time, and will work on Firewire’s core functions and sound drivers for the remaining few that still use the connectivity standard.
Further, Takashi Sakamoto says that his work will help users transition from Firewire to more modern technology standards (like perhaps USB 2.0). Apparently, Firewire still has a dedicated fanbase that is big enough to warrant six more years of support. But we suspect this will be the final stretch for Firewire support, surrounding Linux operating systems. Once 2029 comes around, there’s a good chance Firewire will finally be dropped from the Linux kernel altogether.
I have a feeling its mostly due to some audio and video hardware that has some real longevity. I’ve got a VHS+minidv player that I am transferring old videos from using FireWire (well, for the minidv. VHS is s-video capture).
I’m just passing a FireWire PCI card through to a VM though. Though with how old the box is, it doesnt really need to be a VM. Thats a whole different discussion though.
I had some FireWire audio interfaces too, 8ch and 16ch, but I got rid of those a while back. I’m sure someone’s making use of it though! Probably the m-audio delta 1010 I sold too, I think they are still going for a few hundred each despite being so long in the tooth.
I have a feeling its mostly due to some audio and video hardware that has some real longevity. I’ve got a VHS+minidv player that I am transferring old videos from using FireWire (well, for the minidv. VHS is s-video capture).
Yeah, that’s a thought…though honestly, unless whatever someone is doing requires real-time processing and adding latency is a problem, they can probably pass it through some other old device that can speak both Firewire and something else.
Probably the m-audio delta 1010
That doesn’t have a Firewire interface, does it? I thought I had one of those.
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Oh, I’m thinking of the 1010LT, not the 1010. That lives on a PCI card.
That doesn’t have a Firewire interface, does it? I thought I had one of those.
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Oh, I’m thinking of the 1010LT, not the 1010. That lives on a PCI card.
No I’m talking about the PCI card, just commenting on the longevity of some devices. I know two people still using FireWire for their interfaces in spare kit (RME fire faces), which got me thinking of some of my old kit I’ve replaced like the delta1010.
These days I’m mostly pushing dante around
Yup, that’s what I’m doing… an rme fireface. Incredible device, but uses fw. And since Microsoft is a bunch of aholes, I have to figure out how best to go forwards post windows 10. Except since I’m poor it’s my main interface that I’ve upgraded to.
Linux is a good way forward if you want to try it and keep the fireface. Ubuntu is not my favorite base, but Ubuntu Studio (I’d suggest the LTS if you don’t need the latest and greatest all the time) is nicely set up, but I’d make one change from their preinstalled and I’d use Reaper over Ardour, but thats me.
Your biggest headache will be plugins if you’ve got a ton of vst’s, not all will work on linux.
Ah, gotcha. Just for the record — though it doesn’t really matter as regards your point, because I was incorrectly assuming that you were using it as an example of with something with Firewire onboard — there are apparently two different products:
The 1010 has a PCI card, but it talks to an external box:
The 1010LT has a PCI card alone, no external box, and then a ton of cables that fan out directly from the card:
Neither appears to have a Firewire interface. IIRC, the 1010LT was less expensive, was the one I was using.
PCI + BoB is what I had
I still have my FireWire card as I mentioned, but its only for that VHS + minidv deck (well and my old canon camcorder which does better with some of my minidvs. This process is going to take me years, I have so many to get through…)
I bought a PCIe card for FireWire slots, there might be a usb converter though. On windows it worked out of the box, and I used WinDV for importing video.
Same, when I was using it. It was just like USB: plug and pray.
And they sold the list of people who cancelled to the US government!
Wooooah, there, buckaroo. Gonna need a citation for that.
it’s a joke
Don’t give them ideas…
Probably…
The fact that you need a /s makes me very sad.
I do a lot of privacy and cyber advocacy and research. Selling lists is what already happens, so this is more real-sounding than I expect [email protected] knew when saying it.
Every joke is based on reality, there’s a reason why I wrote what I wrote.
Some people even do this for a living, they call it satire.
Oh, I’m absolutely not criticizing your comment at all. Far from it. It’s fully bonkers that you made a joke that was a good joke, and I can’t take as joke because it hits too close to reality for me.
Life is tragic, not us.
It may seem like a small percentage loss when talking dollar for dollar subscription loss vs Disneys massive revenue, but the scarier thing for their board of directors is damage to their brand.
The thought that a situation like this could cause any long a lasting or irreparable harm to the iconic mouse ears in any way would make keep them awake at night.
Disney has been trying to keep thier streaming alive, despite the massive costs maintaining one(paying all those actors and studios it aint cheap) which is why you see declining quality in the shows and movies.
Streaming services are very sensitive to the ups and downs of anything that’s a standard deviation of from normal. They’re too new to have 10+ years of data to fall back on, so the same overreactions that canceled Kimmel also uncanceled him because of panicky reactions to repercussions.
So far.
tbh, I expect a lot of subscribers to resub sooner than later. Sadly
I think this is how boycotts are supposed to be. Protest and return if it’s successful.
If companies know they won’t ever recover from the mistake, why walk it back?
this hurts more than protests, because its hurting them where it actually matters, money.
Boycott is a form of protest.
The total allegedly includes subscriptions to Disney+, Hulu and ESPN. That falloff reportedly marked a 436 percent increase over the usual churn rate for the service.
So 317.000 users would have cancelled anyway and the actual protest was 1.3 million. If my googling is right, in total there are ~207 million subscribers.
Summarizing, they lost the 0,6%. Much more that what I expected, but hardly noticeable. I’d love to know how many already subscribed back.
It’s noticeable when you look at the price of the subscription. That’s almost $300 million.
Calculate the 0.6% of your wage: that’s what $300M is for them.
This is flawed thinking. There is no “them” with a huge salary. The people making decisions are salaried or invested employees, and their livelihood depends on the stock regardless. There isn’t “one guy” that this hits, like it would with a salary, there’s thousands of investors which must be appeased.
Also, it’s likely many of those canceling were people who didn’t use the service as much as power users, which means they’re losing the cheapest to maintain customers (industry insight, no research to back this up, to be clear).
If we had boycotts and cancelations even a quarter this big across other media giants, our media would be a far better place.
That loss affects their stock price, their future outlook, what things they choose to fund, and how much they spend on advertising and trying to recover from this PR disaster.
I’m sure that lots of managers are having lots of meetings to discuss what happened, and that’s probably the hardest hit they had: noise.
The revenues will be slightly impacted but they will hardly notice it on quarterly reports.
Does that impact the company value? I don’t think so.
My wage doesn’t have a cost of goods sold line item. If I take in $5b and make $5.5b in revenue, $300m is > 1/2 of my net profit
True, but if you stop working your income drops to 0, while if Disney stops working, it still owns billions in assets.
A previously-posted Gizmodo article said
Kabas reports that 1.7 million was 436% above a subscriber loss that’s typical for the same period
Which I thought was very useful.
Kabas is the reporter and I still haven’t seen where they got that number.
I suspect they’d have lost a lot more if this dragged on longer, he was back in a few days.
If my googling is right, in total there are ~207 million subscribers.
This says 128M, which seems far more plausible. https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/disney-stop-reporting-subscriber-numbers-disney-plus-hulu-espn-1236480413/
Yes, but I looked up Disney+, Hulu and ESPN combined.
I don’t think those numbers are additive like that - you’d be double-counting people.
They pay more than once as well?
True - I guess it depends on whether we’re defining “subscribers” as people or total paid accounts.
Total paid account is the number that gets counted. That’s what a subscriber is after all.
Corporate says the biggest number.
Consider that the full number is world wide. How many of them are US based or US involved?
No idea, but of Disney+, Hulu and ESPN, only Disney+ is available in the EU and it gets only a small fraction of the market.
Don’t roll over for the Orange Turd or you will pay the price.
Go woke or go broke 💪
I like “Go fash, lose cash.”
The anti Trump forces saw their power, revelled in it, and called it a day. It will not be applied to other companies.
It’s like the nationwide protests
ive been trying to get ppl to boycott Disney plus for Palestine for over 2 yrs and white man does it in a week
Palestine isn’t American, it’s some far off place that most people have no connection to, no care for or about. And people generally have enough fucking problems in their own life to care about a place they likely will die before visiting or giving two shits about. So beyond just being yet another random thing the news yaps about to keep people scared. It’s just not important to most people.
While Kimmel himself may not matter to many. The situation does directly affect the world and problem many Americans are worried about. It’s a literal representation of the turmoil that fills many Americans minds.
Not to mention Kimmel is a famous person that people know and have heard of. So his problem actually makes it to the ears of those that will resonate with the problem that his situation is in relation to.
You on the other hand are a literal nobody by comparison that no one but yourself and your immediate group will give any weight to your words.
Not to mention the hell does Palestine have to do with Disney…? That’s an extremely tenuous connection.
Its a shitty fact that just cause something’s important doesn’t mean people can care about it. We all have a limit, and if your own ducks arnt in a row worrying about others is a good way to drive yourself to madness and help no one.
A specimen has breached its .ml cage
I’m out of the loop about the judgement about instances. What’s wrong with the .ml instance?
They suffer from a disease of the most unhinged kind, it is sad but true.
I feel this, I’ve tried to get cis people to go to protests and mobilize for trans rights for years, and crickets, but they manage monthly marches and even a general strike (in my country) for Palestine since Oct '23. People usually have the capacity to organize, they just don’t think most issues are worth it.
Yes, let’s add racism to this too!
Disney directly acted against Kimmel, caving to political pressure from the government, a wanton act of government censorship. What did Disney do to Palestine? Bomb them?
Almost everyone I know who cancelled their subscription is happily renewing it now that Kimmel is back on the air. I’m sticking with donating to PBS every month instead.
We’re not. We were halfway out the door already with the lack of good content and increasing prices. This just gave us a needed push to actually cancel. We won’t resubscribe.
That’s how I feel about it too. Literally nothing I wanted to watch over there anyway. I’m not missing anything.
Let them know that I said that they are spineless for renewing
Fuck Disney, I even got my sister to change their vacation plans over it
Wheres she going instead?
I hope she’s not mad that it worked!
