Former Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) bashed former President Trump online and said Christians who support him ā€œdonā€™t understandā€ their religion.

ā€œIā€™m going to go out on a NOT limb here: this man is not a Christian,ā€ Kinzinger said on X, formerly known as Twitter, responding to Trumpā€™s Christmas post. ā€œIf you are a Christian who supports him you donā€™t understand your own religion.ā€

Kinzinger, one of Trumpā€™s fiercest critics in the GOP, said in his post that ā€œTrump is weak, meager, smelly, victim-ey, belly-achey, but he ainā€™t a Christian and heā€™s not ā€˜Godā€™s man.ā€™ā€

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    You are assuming though that Kinzinger isā€¦

    arbitrarily changing the definition to fit their argument

    ā€¦, which he is not doing. Heā€™s using the definition as defined by Jesus.

    Or, as @[email protected] puts it ā€¦

    Jesus would not recognize modern Christians by almost any measure

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      Iā€™m not assuming, Iā€™m asserting that those gospels are heavily edited and censored by the church, so who really knows what the original intent was?

      Leaving aside that the KJV that most Christians learn is filtered, sometimes erroneously, through multiple language translations, several of the original texts were cut from fairly recent editions because they contradict other texts or were morally problematic.

      Claiming authority on what Jesus did or didnā€™t mean when referring to people who believe just as strongly theyā€™re right is a fallacy, especially when, given the context of many other horrible teachings the bible espouses, itā€™s morally dubious at best. And those same texts have been used by church officials who should be authorities on the topic to justify atrocities.

      So yeah, this is a fallacy.

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        Iā€™m not assuming, Iā€™m asserting that those gospels are heavily edited and censored by the church, so who really knows what the original intent was?

        Thatā€™s one hell of a debate catch-all escape hatch youā€™ve got there.

        If youā€™re arguing that what weā€™ve all been told about Jesusā€™s intent and teachings are not true, then thatā€™s a completely different discussion to be had, and weā€™re wasting our time discussing this current subject.

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          Itā€™s not a debate catch-all, itā€™s just the truth.

          My point is and has been that Christians who say other Christians are Christianing wrong are using a fallacy, because itā€™s just as valid that they think you are doing it wrong, and everyone on all sides can find bible quotes that support their views.

          A hundred years ago, white supremacists used Jesusā€™ teachings to validate slavery, and they thought they were just as correct as you think you are. You can say they were using those passages erroneously, but theyā€™d say the same about you with equal conviction and, looking at it from the outside, youā€™re both right.

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        Claiming authority on what Jesus did or didnā€™t mean when referring to people who believe just as strongly theyā€™re right is a fallacy,

        Not when there is an entire book explaining the ideology of Jesus. Ignoring everything it says proves they havenā€™t read it which proves Kinzinger right.