I gotta be honest, Microsoft did a great job with the UX of their 365 ecosystem. It’s great as a user, but as an administrator or small business it is a nightmare.
But in a large corpo setting, it works really well.
The wider Linux community could learn a lot from it.
What are you talking about? It’s horrible from a users perspective. I never know where I am saving anything
I only use Windows at work (because I have to). The thing that drives me fucking nuts, as an advanced computer user in general, is how God damned unintuitive the 365 Office,OneDrive, and File explorer integration is.
I have no idea where I am saving stuff half the time(or more accurately have to change it each time because the defaults are dumb). I don’t want it in my OneDrive downloads folder or OneDrive documents folder. I want it in my fucking laptop download folder or local documents folder.
Then Teams is saving stuff in SharePoint in the background, permissions are annoying AF. At least they’ll flag that a recipient of an email attachment or imbedded url doesn’t have access. So that’s nice I guess.
Oh, then sometimes I’m prompted to save a copy of a shared document, but that’s different from “download a copy”. If you save a copy it just makes a new shared copy for everyone in the SharePoint site.
I feel like a boomer when I work with MS now. Maybe it’s all enterprise settings for where I work and maybe it’s not MS’s fault but hot damn I am so much less productive than if I just used Gsuite, only office, on Mac or .
Maybe I just need to spend a week taking training classes on these products. But who tf has time for that when you have your actual job to do. So I guess that really sums up Microsoft for me: it’s in the way and slowing me down.
I don’t know, I think UX has vastly improved since I started using it in 2008 and is still improving every year. It’s just all these cloud and communication features we’re behind on.
It would be cool to have something P2P, like Syncthing and Tox, integrated into all mainstream distros for sync and communacation Then you have some sort of a single sign-on that connects you to all your devices and people you want to communicate with. Instead of Microsoft login you have a built in pw manager that automatically creates and stores (and syncs) accounts for you and so on.
Back in the day, Ubuntu made huge strides in UX and usability, and they’re still riding the coattails of that success even now that they’ve shifted to the corporate sector.
ElementaryOS came out and was super polished, simple, and beautiful. That’s still kinda true, but their small team has meant that they’re now falling behind the likes of Gnome, who’ve set out to do a similar thing.
The Cinnamon desktop is ugly out of the box, but other aspects of UX have been pretty great - everything is simple, they were pioneers in making everything a GUI option, rather than the last 5% of things having to be done in a config file or via terminal.
And finally, Gnome. Extremely polished, consistent, beautiful, and heavily UX-focused. That applies not only to their own system, but also to their third party app ecosystem. Just look at the apps on Gnome Circle - a Gnome project for showcasing apps that nail the Gnome design guidelines. Tell me they don’t look like they have a focus on UX.
Honestly, even MacOS struggles to feel as UX-focused as Gnome, and that’s saying something. UX is like, Apple’s entire schtick. Everything from trackpad gestures to UI elements, subtle animations, etc in Gnome is about UX.
Even KDE Plasma, which is often mocked for being hilariously inconsistent and filled with bizarre clunky UX, has made major strides in the past couple of years, and Plasma 6, releasing very soon, will fix a bunch of fundamental things that currently hold Plasma back from being consistent, and a significant portion of bugs have been fixed - it looks like it won’t be the buggy mess that Plasma 4 and early Plasma 5 was. We’re about to see a major improvement.
I gotta be honest, Microsoft did a great job with the UX of their 365 ecosystem. It’s great as a user, but as an administrator or small business it is a nightmare.
But in a large corpo setting, it works really well.
The wider Linux community could learn a lot from it.
What are you talking about? It’s horrible from a users perspective. I never know where I am saving anything
I only use Windows at work (because I have to). The thing that drives me fucking nuts, as an advanced computer user in general, is how God damned unintuitive the 365 Office,OneDrive, and File explorer integration is.
I have no idea where I am saving stuff half the time(or more accurately have to change it each time because the defaults are dumb). I don’t want it in my OneDrive downloads folder or OneDrive documents folder. I want it in my fucking laptop download folder or local documents folder.
Then Teams is saving stuff in SharePoint in the background, permissions are annoying AF. At least they’ll flag that a recipient of an email attachment or imbedded url doesn’t have access. So that’s nice I guess.
Oh, then sometimes I’m prompted to save a copy of a shared document, but that’s different from “download a copy”. If you save a copy it just makes a new shared copy for everyone in the SharePoint site.
I feel like a boomer when I work with MS now. Maybe it’s all enterprise settings for where I work and maybe it’s not MS’s fault but hot damn I am so much less productive than if I just used Gsuite, only office, on Mac or .
Maybe I just need to spend a week taking training classes on these products. But who tf has time for that when you have your actual job to do. So I guess that really sums up Microsoft for me: it’s in the way and slowing me down.
Focusing on UX
Linux
Pick One.
I don’t know, I think UX has vastly improved since I started using it in 2008 and is still improving every year. It’s just all these cloud and communication features we’re behind on.
It would be cool to have something P2P, like Syncthing and Tox, integrated into all mainstream distros for sync and communacation Then you have some sort of a single sign-on that connects you to all your devices and people you want to communicate with. Instead of Microsoft login you have a built in pw manager that automatically creates and stores (and syncs) accounts for you and so on.
As a person who went full Linux recently I might be biased.
Plenty of Linux projects have had a focus on UX.
Back in the day, Ubuntu made huge strides in UX and usability, and they’re still riding the coattails of that success even now that they’ve shifted to the corporate sector.
ElementaryOS came out and was super polished, simple, and beautiful. That’s still kinda true, but their small team has meant that they’re now falling behind the likes of Gnome, who’ve set out to do a similar thing.
The Cinnamon desktop is ugly out of the box, but other aspects of UX have been pretty great - everything is simple, they were pioneers in making everything a GUI option, rather than the last 5% of things having to be done in a config file or via terminal.
And finally, Gnome. Extremely polished, consistent, beautiful, and heavily UX-focused. That applies not only to their own system, but also to their third party app ecosystem. Just look at the apps on Gnome Circle - a Gnome project for showcasing apps that nail the Gnome design guidelines. Tell me they don’t look like they have a focus on UX.
Honestly, even MacOS struggles to feel as UX-focused as Gnome, and that’s saying something. UX is like, Apple’s entire schtick. Everything from trackpad gestures to UI elements, subtle animations, etc in Gnome is about UX.
Tbh, Gnome is sometimes so focused on UX that it arguably becomes a detriment to their development cycle. They’ll spend months deliberating on things like accent colours, chatting about all the potential ramifications, legibility, how it can inadvertently lead to destructive user actions, and the best way to implement it as a feature, rather than just doing it and moving on to the next feature.
Even KDE Plasma, which is often mocked for being hilariously inconsistent and filled with bizarre clunky UX, has made major strides in the past couple of years, and Plasma 6, releasing very soon, will fix a bunch of fundamental things that currently hold Plasma back from being consistent, and a significant portion of bugs have been fixed - it looks like it won’t be the buggy mess that Plasma 4 and early Plasma 5 was. We’re about to see a major improvement.
Um what? Its one of the worst UIs I’ve seen and its incredibly buggy and slow.
You must not have to help users with their office problems.
As an IT guy, I hate everything about the OneDrive setup. Using it, dealing with users that have to use it, it’s a lot.
I like AD and the management interfaces, that’s about where Microsoft’s Enterprise offerings cease to be helpful to me.
I find the cmd ux quite good, what would you change ?