At this current time, it would be extremely foolish to not vote Democrat.
I know this is really a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, but at least one of them isn’t going to destroy democracy and create alliances with the despots of this world.
And the thing is, if Trump wins, do you think he’s going to stop the genocide? If anything he’s going to praise Netanyahu for being so strict and a fascist autoritarian.
Netanyahu knows that a Trump win would help him. He’s been playing Biden this whole time and working to destroy his reputation. Biden is just trying to keep some kind of relationship with Israel because they’re their only ally in the region.
It’s all very complex, but in the end voting Democrat is the best choice you have at the moment.
It’s all very complex, but in the end voting Democrat is the best choice you have at the moment.
If anybody has a problem with this statement, it’s because the moment to do something about this was every fucking election in the past. Vote in small elections where people get their opportunity for their start. Vote in primaries to choose a better person for the general. If we all had been doing this in the past, we wouldn’t have such a shitty choice now. So what do we do now? Keep the pressure on the people in power now, vote for the lesser of two evils in the immediate future, and most importantly, vote in every fucking election from now on. Democracy isn’t one and done. Voting is not just your right, it’s your goddamn responsibility. You owe it to yourself, your children, and every other person whether you love them or hate them, whether you agree with them or disagree with them, whether they’re alive now or won’t be born for another hundred or thousand years.
Fuck Joe Biden. But fuck trump more. A vote for Biden this year gives us more time to find a better choice, plus he’s gotten quite a bit of good done in only four years. A vote for trump gets us shit like abortion bans, attempts to reverse marriage equality, stripping away healthcare, stripping away elder care and child care, stripping away worker rights, raising your taxes to lower the taxes of the wealthy, and many more things that will only make your life shittier. There is objectively no good reason for any person who isn’t already a millionaire to vote for trump. He’s got the mierdas touch; everything he touches turns to shit.
I’ve watched the party go so far right that I left it just by standing still
Fucking when? How old are you? I keep seeing this and it’s just not true. Remember when many high profile Democrats were against gay marriage? I do! Remember when most Democrats were against student loan forgiveness? I do! Remember when most Democrats were against legalizing weed? I do!
What issue in the Democratic platform has gone further right??
Economic issues, of course. Yes, politicians eventually follow any social issue that becomes popular enough. Democrats ran away from any real support of labor decades ago
Democrats ran away from any real support of labor decades ago
Can you explain what you mean by real support? State level on the west coast where Democrats have the majority, they have been voting to increase minimum wage, make school lunch free for ALL students, increase social safety net programs, and run experiments with UBI. At a federal level, they’ve been supportive of unions and investing in massive infrastructure jobs to put more working class people back to work, including investments in green energy and most recently to fix/replace aging water systems, and tried to relieve student loan debt that is currently crippling two generations.
I want them to ban corporations and international buyers from buying up single- family homes, rezone commercial areas for housing, and set limits on price gouging and corporate profits, but that needs to be done through Congress because the current Supreme Court will just say it’s unconstitutional and government overreach.
I’m not at all happy with where we are, but I don’t see how this is the fault of Democrats.
They could have passed a law legalizing weed back when Obama had a majority in both house of congress.
Well I’m personally glad that they spent so much time on at least passing the ACA instead, but sorry, when was that again? Oh yeah, 15 years ago, before Democrats had largely started to be okay with weed (see my previous comment where I mentioned that shift left), and they only had a filibuster-proof supermajority for 72 working days. From the Wikipedia article:
However, the Senate supermajority only lasted for a period of 72 working days while the Senate was actually in session.
What are you talking about? Democrats didn’t have the votes for single-payer even among themselves, and also Obama was trying to “heal the country” after massive discord over Iraq with George W. Bush by making concessions with Republicans (and he absolutely learned from that mistake when most Republicans still didn’t vote to pass it).
You think every Democrat in Congress now is pro single payer? But there are a lot more now than there were 15 years ago! (I feel like I need to remind you of the plotline here: that Democrats are NOT moving further to the right, and you’ve yet to support that claim.)
You’re either really young and don’t remember 2009/2010, or weren’t paying attention to the news back then. The ACA barely passed as it was, in an anxious-watching-vote-counts-on-CSPAN kinda way. You know who voted against it? Almost every Republican. But it sounds like maybe you want to vote for them instead because Democrats aren’t liberal enough for you?
Maybe I have a different perspective as a woman that works in a school library.
Like when voting third party for Nader got Bush elected? Like that? There’s a reason you hear this shit for years, because it’s always been fucking true
In the 2000 presidential election in Florida, Nader won 97,488 votes, while Al Gore lost the state (and, therefore, the presidency) by 537 votes to Mr. Bush.
The supreme court halted the count. But hey, you’ll believe GWB’s win was legitimate as long as you can use it as an excuse to silence progressive criticism.
I’m so happy that people are finally pushing back against this. I got tired of being the only one to be brigaded by angry people who sort by newest comment and constantly hit F5.
The best way to reduce the violence we don’t like is by using the violence we do like.
Really?
And if there’s no such thing as a lesser evil, then there’s no such thing as a better candidate. You’ll never find a candidate that you agree with on 100% of the issues 100% of the time…if you do, you’re acting sycophantic and should take some time to consider whether you really know the candidate or really know your own views.
In a republic like the U.S., the tiniest elections count. Voting for a local mayor, judge, sheriff, state governor, senator or house representative. In fact they may be more important than the president. Also registering to a party and voting in the primaries is an important part of choosing a representative for the party who can potentially become the president.
As others have pointed out, had people participated, Biden wouldn’t have been picked as the leader had more people participated in the primaries.
What’s happening right now is a culmination of voter apathy over several decades.
At this current time, it would be extremely foolish to not vote Democrat.
I know this is really a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, but at least one of them isn’t going to destroy democracy and create alliances with the despots of this world.
And the thing is, if Trump wins, do you think he’s going to stop the genocide? If anything he’s going to praise Netanyahu for being so strict and a fascist autoritarian.
Netanyahu knows that a Trump win would help him. He’s been playing Biden this whole time and working to destroy his reputation. Biden is just trying to keep some kind of relationship with Israel because they’re their only ally in the region.
It’s all very complex, but in the end voting Democrat is the best choice you have at the moment.
If anybody has a problem with this statement, it’s because the moment to do something about this was every fucking election in the past. Vote in small elections where people get their opportunity for their start. Vote in primaries to choose a better person for the general. If we all had been doing this in the past, we wouldn’t have such a shitty choice now. So what do we do now? Keep the pressure on the people in power now, vote for the lesser of two evils in the immediate future, and most importantly, vote in every fucking election from now on. Democracy isn’t one and done. Voting is not just your right, it’s your goddamn responsibility. You owe it to yourself, your children, and every other person whether you love them or hate them, whether you agree with them or disagree with them, whether they’re alive now or won’t be born for another hundred or thousand years.
Fuck Joe Biden. But fuck trump more. A vote for Biden this year gives us more time to find a better choice, plus he’s gotten quite a bit of good done in only four years. A vote for trump gets us shit like abortion bans, attempts to reverse marriage equality, stripping away healthcare, stripping away elder care and child care, stripping away worker rights, raising your taxes to lower the taxes of the wealthy, and many more things that will only make your life shittier. There is objectively no good reason for any person who isn’t already a millionaire to vote for trump. He’s got the mierdas touch; everything he touches turns to shit.
We did. Moderates said “No we choose this pro-corporate, strike blocking, genocide supporting senior citizen.”
Stop lecturing leftists and progressives. Spend your time and energy telling moderates they’re selfish pieces of shit.
I’ve been hearing the same bullshit for 37 years.
It is always this election is too important.
I’ve watched the party go so far right that I left it just by standing still
Fucking when? How old are you? I keep seeing this and it’s just not true. Remember when many high profile Democrats were against gay marriage? I do! Remember when most Democrats were against student loan forgiveness? I do! Remember when most Democrats were against legalizing weed? I do!
What issue in the Democratic platform has gone further right??
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Economic issues, of course. Yes, politicians eventually follow any social issue that becomes popular enough. Democrats ran away from any real support of labor decades ago
Can you explain what you mean by real support? State level on the west coast where Democrats have the majority, they have been voting to increase minimum wage, make school lunch free for ALL students, increase social safety net programs, and run experiments with UBI. At a federal level, they’ve been supportive of unions and investing in massive infrastructure jobs to put more working class people back to work, including investments in green energy and most recently to fix/replace aging water systems, and tried to relieve student loan debt that is currently crippling two generations.
I want them to ban corporations and international buyers from buying up single- family homes, rezone commercial areas for housing, and set limits on price gouging and corporate profits, but that needs to be done through Congress because the current Supreme Court will just say it’s unconstitutional and government overreach.
I’m not at all happy with where we are, but I don’t see how this is the fault of Democrats.
44 Democrat senators, 36 Republican senators and Joe Biden signed a bill to block the rail strike. They’re all pro-corporate trash.
I break federal law every day when I go home and toke up so they haven’t changed their minds.
They could have passed a law legalizing weed back when Obama had a majority in both house of congress.
I am happy about gay marriage though
Well I’m personally glad that they spent so much time on at least passing the ACA instead, but sorry, when was that again? Oh yeah, 15 years ago, before Democrats had largely started to be okay with weed (see my previous comment where I mentioned that shift left), and they only had a filibuster-proof supermajority for 72 working days. From the Wikipedia article:
So they could have done that and passed true single payer instead of romneycare reskinned.
They did not.
They knew the power they had and how long they would have had it for and chose there to stop
What are you talking about? Democrats didn’t have the votes for single-payer even among themselves, and also Obama was trying to “heal the country” after massive discord over Iraq with George W. Bush by making concessions with Republicans (and he absolutely learned from that mistake when most Republicans still didn’t vote to pass it).
You think every Democrat in Congress now is pro single payer? But there are a lot more now than there were 15 years ago! (I feel like I need to remind you of the plotline here: that Democrats are NOT moving further to the right, and you’ve yet to support that claim.)
You’re either really young and don’t remember 2009/2010, or weren’t paying attention to the news back then. The ACA barely passed as it was, in an anxious-watching-vote-counts-on-CSPAN kinda way. You know who voted against it? Almost every Republican. But it sounds like maybe you want to vote for them instead because Democrats aren’t liberal enough for you?
Maybe I have a different perspective as a woman that works in a school library.
Not everyone has the luxury of a protest vote.
Nope I want to vote for someone on the level of sanders, and I refuse to compromise anymore, I have been doing that since 2012.
20,000 innocent people and us still supporting them is my line.
You have two options: run someone that doesn’t support the genocidal actions take place, or decide that you guys can win without our help.
We compromised enough, your turn.
Like when voting third party for Nader got Bush elected? Like that? There’s a reason you hear this shit for years, because it’s always been fucking true
The Supreme Court installed Bush.
In the 2000 presidential election in Florida, Nader won 97,488 votes, while Al Gore lost the state (and, therefore, the presidency) by 537 votes to Mr. Bush.
The supreme court halted the count. But hey, you’ll believe GWB’s win was legitimate as long as you can use it as an excuse to silence progressive criticism.
No. I’m both progressive and a critic of Biden but enjoy arguing with your imaginary foes
Your response to someone complaining that the party keeps moving to the right is to blame progressives for the supreme court installing GWB.
I’m so happy that people are finally pushing back against this. I got tired of being the only one to be brigaded by angry people who sort by newest comment and constantly hit F5.
What are you talking about this is the same shit you all said in 2016. You all really think we’re bluffing twice?
If you want our votes don’t support genocide and don’t block strikes.
No, what was foolish was moderates thinking we were bluffing twice.
Both of you are wrong. Its time for your people to overthrow those leeches that govern you, by arms if necessary. Theres no lesser evil
The best way to reduce the violence we don’t like is by using the violence we do like.
Really?
And if there’s no such thing as a lesser evil, then there’s no such thing as a better candidate. You’ll never find a candidate that you agree with on 100% of the issues 100% of the time…if you do, you’re acting sycophantic and should take some time to consider whether you really know the candidate or really know your own views.
So based. Now wait for the magical unicorn to come so you vote him into office and he solves the problems
LOL this is why I left lemmy.ml. People really live in a different universe.
No. It’s by getting involved.
In a republic like the U.S., the tiniest elections count. Voting for a local mayor, judge, sheriff, state governor, senator or house representative. In fact they may be more important than the president. Also registering to a party and voting in the primaries is an important part of choosing a representative for the party who can potentially become the president.
As others have pointed out, had people participated, Biden wouldn’t have been picked as the leader had more people participated in the primaries.
What’s happening right now is a culmination of voter apathy over several decades.
People who think you can solve the problems at hand by voting on the right person really lack any notion of history