Also… we’ve seen this happen before. Hillary loses to Trump, we live through four years of a fascist administration (and all the shit that comes with it), then in 2020… we get Biden.
That user is, simultaneously, using criticisms of Biden to justify recreating the conditions that brought him into office.
And that user also used the Palestinians to justify letting the DNC lose to Trump, even though Trump is even more bigoted and pro-Israel. It’s saying the best “strategy” to voice discontent over the genocide is to… accelerate it.
I’m not willing to go through four years of fascism, then if we get to vote again in 2028—which we wouldn’t be able to take for granted—likely get some other milquetoast conservative Democrat. I’d rather spend the next four years trying to fight and push Democrats to the left than to fight GOP fascists.
Yeah it’s very much cutting off your nose to spite your face.
"You know what will show those bastards at thr DNC? If we let trump win and let him ruin our lives1 Imagine the look on Bidens face when I get beaten by magahats, lol.
Moderate voters elected Joe Biden and in the same breath where they say Democracy is at stake they sneer at the idea of compromising with leftists or progressives to save it.
In these precarious moments with Democracy and Fascism on the line, is it really smart to shove a stick in the flimsy bicycle we already have that can possibly avert this?
I say no, it is not the time to negotiate. It is time to fall in line and deal with the big fish first.
I say no, it is not the time to negotiate. It is time to fall in line and deal with the big fish first
You would have us negotiate only after we’ve given away the biggest bargaining chip we have? I can tell you exactly how that’s gonna go. Moderates will give us the finger and call it a day.
Do you think the same people who refused to show up for Hillary in the 2016 general voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries?
The elephant in the room here is that moderates are the largest voting bloc in the Democrat party. That means they hold the lions share of the responsibility for outcomes. If they steamroll the primaries to vote for a candidate that isn’t popular with wings they need to win general elections they are responsible for that decision.
Do you think the same people who refused to show up for Hillary in the 2016 general voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries?
Well, no. I’m not sure what point you think I was making.
My point is that the DNC isn’t going to be pushed left by a loss. The leadership is old, stubborn, and stupid. They’ll tell leftists to shut the fuck up during the primaries because they don’t matter, then blame them after a loss because suddenly they did matter enough to make the difference. When it turns out that most leftists held their noses and voted Blue anyway, they’ll just ignore it. Then, if we get to vote again, they’ll take exactly the wrong lesson, and just push harder to the right.
The point in bringing up 2016 is because they did push a centrist candidate, she did lose to a fascist clown, and then, four years later, they pushed Joe Biden. Why on Earth would anyone expect them to do anything different if it happens again?
Also… we’ve seen this happen before. Hillary loses to Trump, we live through four years of a fascist administration (and all the shit that comes with it), then in 2020… we get Biden.
That user is, simultaneously, using criticisms of Biden to justify recreating the conditions that brought him into office.
And that user also used the Palestinians to justify letting the DNC lose to Trump, even though Trump is even more bigoted and pro-Israel. It’s saying the best “strategy” to voice discontent over the genocide is to… accelerate it.
I’m not willing to go through four years of fascism, then if we get to vote again in 2028—which we wouldn’t be able to take for granted—likely get some other milquetoast conservative Democrat. I’d rather spend the next four years trying to fight and push Democrats to the left than to fight GOP fascists.
Yeah it’s very much cutting off your nose to spite your face.
"You know what will show those bastards at thr DNC? If we let trump win and let him ruin our lives1 Imagine the look on Bidens face when I get beaten by magahats, lol.
Moderate voters elected Joe Biden and in the same breath where they say Democracy is at stake they sneer at the idea of compromising with leftists or progressives to save it.
Moderates are the problem.
Moderates being the problem doesn’t mean not voting is the solution.
I’m voting 3rd party or writing in.
Here’s a solution you haven’t explored: Go scream at moderates for once.
The Kremlin thanks you for your service.
Would moderate voters prefer I helped Biden win? Seems like a good opportunity for them to negotiate yes?
In these precarious moments with Democracy and Fascism on the line, is it really smart to shove a stick in the flimsy bicycle we already have that can possibly avert this?
I say no, it is not the time to negotiate. It is time to fall in line and deal with the big fish first.
You would have us negotiate only after we’ve given away the biggest bargaining chip we have? I can tell you exactly how that’s gonna go. Moderates will give us the finger and call it a day.
So we’re gonna try the same tactics as before.
Right? It’s crazy when moderates bring up 2016 as if it were a lesson for progressives and leftists. The lack of self awareness is ridiculous.
Do you think the same people who refused to show up for Hillary in the 2016 general voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries?
The elephant in the room here is that moderates are the largest voting bloc in the Democrat party. That means they hold the lions share of the responsibility for outcomes. If they steamroll the primaries to vote for a candidate that isn’t popular with wings they need to win general elections they are responsible for that decision.
Well, no. I’m not sure what point you think I was making.
My point is that the DNC isn’t going to be pushed left by a loss. The leadership is old, stubborn, and stupid. They’ll tell leftists to shut the fuck up during the primaries because they don’t matter, then blame them after a loss because suddenly they did matter enough to make the difference. When it turns out that most leftists held their noses and voted Blue anyway, they’ll just ignore it. Then, if we get to vote again, they’ll take exactly the wrong lesson, and just push harder to the right.
The point in bringing up 2016 is because they did push a centrist candidate, she did lose to a fascist clown, and then, four years later, they pushed Joe Biden. Why on Earth would anyone expect them to do anything different if it happens again?