• novibe@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    The numbers might a bit different but it’s close enough to illustrate the point.

    My conclusion is not “we have no choice”, but “choosing within the system will never solve anything”.

    And if you really think we have the power… please illuminate me. Give an example of this.

    If you really think we’re in this shit spot because people are lazy or unmotivated, then you don’t understand systems at all.

    People act the way they act because of the system. They do what they do because they exist within capitalism. All the structures around us exist to maintain it. From the moment you’re born to the moment you die, your whole existence is directed by the system.

    From marketing to union busting, from war to elections. It’s all made to serve the system.

    You speak very idealistically about being able to have an impact. But how would that actually look like in our physical material reality? What can we ACTUALLY do that would even make a change?

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      10 months ago

      I don’t know. The French revolution? Hippies? Homeless communities? Revolutions have been done countless times, and they always started with no real chance to succeed.

      What do you want me to say here. A plan to save the world? I have no idea where you are and what your situation is. That’s the point.

      We have all the networking, but nobody connects. The world is in the best spot ever, technologically, but we use it to divide. Where are you? What’s you biggest issue? Let’s pool together and see if there is a way out?

      We all divide into groups, splinter-groups and even smaller units. Especially so since about 20 years ago. We should unite. How hard can it be?

      Would you try?

      Or would you rather debate me, telling me it’s not possible?

      I’d guess you’d pick the latter. Why is that?

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        10 months ago

        I don’t want to debate anything. But you are rejecting reality. Why do you think we are so divided and diving deeper and deeper into useless rabbit holes?

        Sure the internet is “great”, but why do you think it was invented and spread around the world?

        Neoliberalism and post-modernism created and shaped an infinity of tools to control and manipulate us into being atomic neurotic incapable shits.

        I do what I can, and I am not saying to give up. But if you base your struggle on idealisms and reject material reality for what it was and is, there is no chance. We have to understand the world and the systems of power and control fully to even have a chance of doing something.

        Hoping everyone just “wakes up” through hearing the “right ideas” and “rises up” in a glorious movement is just… fantasy, it’s silly. It will never happen.

        We have to study what worked before, and how the world changed from then to now, and try to find a new path that is different. But being always grounded in the actual reality of things. Understanding we have massive hurdles, that never existed before. And how those will shape our struggle.

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          10 months ago

          Im sorry. What possible way is there to compete against trillion dollar companies financing every aspect of politics? You can’t play that game. And nobody is coming around to save us all. You can only reject it and rebell. That’s how change works. Has always worked. and will always work. You just don’t want it enough yet.

          You are playing a rigged game and expect to win, and you say I’m rejecting reality. It’s you who needs to accept that people still have the power. And tell others. That’s how revolutions happen. From the bottom up. Always.

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            10 months ago

            Rejecting “the game” only works individually. Sure a couple dozen people can fuck off into the woods and live like hippies. But it can’t fix society. And society is what you’re calling a “game”.

            I don’t want to live in the woods and reject humanity. I want to help society be good.