Independent Senator Bernie Sanders floated Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a potential presidential candidate in the 2028 elections, saying that even though it’s “her decision to make,” she is a “very, very good politician.”
Speaking to Axios, Sanders said that he has been “out on the streets with her” and noticed how she responds when people come up to her. “It’s so incredibly genuine and open.”
Ocasio-Cortez is seemingly positioning herself to run for higher office, whether it is challenging Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer for his seat or to make a run for president.
She’s my Rep, and I love her. I don’t agree with her 100%, but I respect her, which is more than I can say about 99% of politicians.
That said, Bernie calling her a “very good politician” is not the compliment he thinks it is. Politicians should do anything they can to keep people from making the connection that at their core they are POLITICIANS.
NOBODY likes politicians.
Idk I do like it when the people in government are aware of how the systems work and how to balance getting things done with keeping to core values as best you can. Inexperienced politicians tend to be loud but get nothing done, and eventually either get voted out or figure it out.
If you look at AOCs transformation over the years, you’ll she’s become much more pragmatic. Personally I see this as a good thing because I’m about to vote for 26 year old Kat Abughazaleh, and when she gets to Congress she’s going to need someone who came from a similar position to help guide her, and AOC is exactly that person.
NOBODY likes politicians.
Pol·i·tics /ˈpäləˌtiks/: from the Latin poly- meaning many; and -tics, meaning blood sucking parasites.
I’m going to lose all my karma. But the democrats don’t need a pretty face.They need a freaking platform.
she really doesn’t have a chance anyway.She’s too polarizing. Clinton was same the same way.
We need to beat the republicans, not keep throwing them.Elections. also our identity politics are cringeworthy
AOC can win. No more milk toast centrists.
dont we want the usa to win?
Do we want really want to.vote on another personality?
What if we choose someone to campaign on a reasonable platform then stick to it.
But im coming of like a broken record, feel free tomi ignore me.
Let me join you in the karma loss:
Hillary Clinton: Lost to Donald Trump
Joe Biden: Beat Donald Trump
Kamala Harris: Lost to Donald Trump
There are too many Christian swing voters that will NOT vote for a female President, full stop, and that is baked into the Christian psyche. Christians are taught that Woman was first deceived by the serpent and disobeyed God first, and afterwards she took on the role of the serpent and directly tempted Man. It’s why they do not elect a woman into ANY leadership roles within the church.
I don’t know how many times the Democrats need to lose to learn this lesson, but the fact that nobody recognizes any of this doesn’t bode well.
AOC is a contender and the USA needs sane politicians to lead the country.
Bad idea. Sadly, Americans still care about optics. Americans want someone with a sense of authority and no-nonsense attitude which she doesn’t have. She won’t get voted for even by Democrat voters
I think she’s amazing, but we’ve already seen that Americans don’t want a female president yet.
I really don’t understand the comments on these types of posts. Everyone is like “she should do the Senate I’m not sure she’s right/ready for president”. Why? Our current president is an 80 year old pedophile, our previous president was an 80 year old likeable moron…
You guys don’t want change you want you return to the status quo.
I’m sure just one more centrist moderate trying to appeal to Republicans will definitely work this time…
In all seriousness, we (as Americans & people world-wide) desperately need genuine Progressives like AOC & Bernie. They are the only ones that consistently hard work hard to advance big, bold action that would actually help improve working people’s lives!
I don’t think it’s a matter of her being ready, I think it’s that she has a real chance of beating schumer, whereas with the presidency, I’m not even sure she could even manage to win the primary. If an old white dude like Bernie couldn’t beat Hilary and Biden, what chance does a Latina woman in her 30s have?
If an old white dude like Bernie couldn’t beat Hilary and Biden, what chance does a Latina woman in her 30s have?
I mean, if you completely ignore the DNC doing everything legally in their power to get in the way of Bernie and force feed Hilary in the first place… because they can’t allow anyone vocal about actual progressive ideas in a position of party power… yeah that’s what it looks like. But that’s a pretty big thing to just ignore.
I’m not ignoring that, that’s one of the massive hurdles she would have to overcome
AOC will need to clear the DNC hurdle whether she runs for House, Senate, or Admin. Look at Platner
Not legally. The head of the DNC had to resign, and their lawyers argued in court that because they were a private organization they didn’t have to follow their own rules.
No one was prosecuted so it was effectively deemed legal. That’s the end result.
So let her try to win the primary. If she doesn’t win, what difference would it make?
Honestly, I think she has a great chance. People didn’t not vote for Hillary because she was a woman. It’s because she represented the establishment and inspired nobody. People didn’t not vote for Harris because she was a woman. It’s because she represented the establishment and inspired nobody.
AOC is a candidate who seems to actually represent change. She seems to listen to the desires of the people and follow that. She doesn’t just do what the donors demand. She has a chance because she does inspire people to see what could be, not just to repeat what is.
If Mamdani is an indication of anything, people will vote for leftist economic populism despite there being racial divides.
In the past few weeks and months, we saw in New York City that the majority of Jewish people still support Israel over Palestine. Yet, Mamdani has consistently pulled a plurality of Jewish support with double digit leads over the other candidates.
What this means is that Jewish people are just like any other American, and they are feeling the effects of this shit economy caused by Trump. Mamdani represents a bandaid to that more than the other candidates, so they’re going with that and ignoring Mamdani’s anti-Zionist and anti-Israel policy.
I don’t think it matters what candidate you push a campaign for if they run on Left populism. As we’ve seen with Platner in Maine, though, being a white male veteran doesn’t hurt either.
Mamdani is running for mayor of NYC.
NYC has had a majority (not a plurality) of votes go to Democrats in the presidential election back to 1952 and the last time republicans had a plurality was 1924. NYC is, sadly, not representative of the US as a whole. Also, he was going up against a man who may have surpassed ted cruz in terms of “unlikeable mother fucker”-ness
As we’ve seen with Platner in Maine, though, being a white male veteran doesn’t hurt either.
Platner is… a giant fucking mess. He has more red flags than fucking fetterman did (fun fact: He was batshit insane as far back as when he met Anthony Bourdain…), one of which being the nazi skull tattoo he had on his chest for 20 years and only removed once he was forced to during his, what, 3 months of a political career? Not to mention him having willingly joined Blackwater and his VERY questionable statements on sexual assault and his use of homophobic slurs as recently as 2020.
But, he kissed Sanders’s ring so he has the “socialist” vote and establishment Democrats support him for whatever reason (which should raise a LOT more red flags but…). And while I am not invested enough to personally verify, a few colleagues I have out in Maine insist that Smith-Rodriguez was basically the same platform but with actual details and action plans but eventually pulled out to support the mayor (?) on the grounds of platner’s horrific stances on sexual assualt and her being a victim of assault in the military.
I don’t think it matters what candidate you push a campaign for if they run on
LeftpopulismEditorialized that a bit but… I think that is the real key. The vast majority of people don’t actually care about policy or even basic human rights. They just want populist candidates. And that is not just limited to the US.
Which REALLY fucking sucks because… I’ve been incredibly critical of AOC’s career and I think she was THIS close to wearing clown shoes with the rest of The Squad. But she has demonstrated that she has strong political acumen. And when she does do shitty stuff, she actually owns up to it on social media/direct to constituents videos.There is always the need for MASSIVE grains of salt with any politician but… AOC seems to kind of be exactly what we should want out of a democracy. Someone who cares and has grand ambitions but also understands they are a servant of the people and speaks to The People.
She just was born too late considering both sides are very much at “I can excuse being a Nazi but I draw the line at… I’ll get back to you on that”
A meathead veteran running on a left populist platform is how you can get some of the MAGA working class votes. Platner is the opposite of an elite well spoken academic, than can actually appeal to the proletariat and petit bourgeoisie.
You’re right about NYC. But wins add momentum, which builds and proves the DNC wrong.
The more and more I hear about Platner, the less I’m willing to defend him. He’ll capture liberals, sure, and I prefer to have grace for people if they’ve shown that they can fix their shit and atone for what they’ve done in their lives, but he sure ain’t the perfect candidate. You’re right that we don’t want Fetterman again, which is why we need to be critical of Platner here and now and not Vote “Who” No Matter Who like many liberals are doing now. If he keeps making bad decisions, like Kamala did as soon as her 2024 GE campaign made it to the DNConvention, then it’ll suck. Janet Mills is an option, but she’s not perfect either.
If Platner can have good messaging discipline, keep his campaign to Leftist economic popularism, come out with policies that support that agenda that he’d like to see implemented in Congress, and stay woke, I think I might throw him more support. But these things build. Trust needs to be built. And we all know that trust can be destroyed faster than it can be built.
Americans want populist candidates, and Leftist economics are popular.
AOC has a good track record. I want to see her because the leader of the party. I think the establishment Dems and DNC ignore the reality in front of them that their underlying base is changing views (against neoliberalism), and AOC should lead that fight. I think she’d be better for SML instead of President tho. Because of what we said about NYC and NYS, because of how it votes differently from the rest of the country, I think she has a safer bet to oust Schumer and gain even more national notoriety as a SML. She’ll be setting the stage for the Dems, and hell, has more of a backbone than Jeffries ever will.
Lots to be excited for
Yeah… I am pretty sure “willingly joined Blackwater” and “had a nazi tattoo on his chest for 20 years” automatically kicks him off to “broke” with a shade of “holy fucking shit”. And while I do think people can, and should. be allowed to change, all signs are he very much hasn’t. Still using homophobic slurs as recently as 2020 and his defense of the nazi skull boils down to “I am a military historian AND terminally online but I have never seen an SS outfit or the Mitchell and Webb meme”
At best he is a deeply stupid person who should not be allowed anywhere near office. More likely, he thinks voters are deeply stupid. Just a question of whether he is a fetterman/sinema in disguse.
(Also apparently he says his stance on Israel and genocide is basically Kamala’s? Which is even funnier that there aren’t the “I refuse to vote for genocide, period” crowd out attacking him…).
But, he is popular and that is all that matters.
It makes me so mad because AOC is exactly the kind of candidate that Kamala tried to cosplay as for her campaign.
It’s so frustrating to see people drool over the fake as fuck version of AOC yet say AOC isn’t presidential material.
You guys don’t want change you want you return to the status quo.
You have to win to change things bruh. If you can’t focus on that even a little and focus only on what you want in a perfect world , then it doesn’t matter you want because you’ll never win.
All else being equal a white man less than 65 who believe 95percent the same things as AOC will get at least 5 percent more votes just like that, which is the difference between winning and losing.
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Yeah, and it’s been shown that establishment democrats don’t really have the appeal they need to do so. No one gives a shit because they aren’t representing their desires. They’re representing, at best, status quo. If you haven’t noticed that’s not exactly popular at the moment.
Has it? Biden thoroughly beat Trump. The Kamala was thoroughly beaten.
Biden is very much so establishment
Biden barely won. I don’t know what alternate reality you’re remembering, but that was a squeaker of an election hinging on a margin of less than 50k votes. GA, AZ, and WI were all won by less than 1%, and flipping them would be a loss.
That was closer than Trump’s win over Clinton.
Yes some swing states were close, that’s basically every election.
Now if you look at the numbers Biden had 306 electoral votes while Trump had 232. GA has 16 electoral votes, AZ has 11, and WI has 10. If Biden lost all 3 of those states and Trump won them instead it would have resulted in a 269 to 269 vote tie in the electoral college. Meaning a vote in the House of Representatives would decide the election. Which was majority Democrat, meaning a win for Biden. So even in a made up scenario Biden still wins.
And we’re not even talking about the difference in popular vote which was significant. Sure it doesn’t always decide the election, but I believe it provides a good gauge on how the American people feel.
No, it really isn’t. 50k votes between win an loss is the closest election in decades. Closer than when Trump beat Clinton, and way closer than Trump beating Harris. Not since Bush v. Gore has the margin been closer.
The reason why a tie is a loss is that it’s not a vote of the representatives as a whole, it’s a vote of the states, as decided by the reps. Republicans had a majority of reps in 26 states.
Fair enough on the contingent election. Something only possible if you change 3 whole state votes. Seems pretty unlikely to me.
If we go down that train of thought the there’s no reason the states that barely went Trump could then go the other way.
Which is why the popular vote is the more important metric for determining how the American populace as a whole felt about the canidate. Especially considering that election had one of the largest voter turnouts in US history
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Hi! Welcome to the present! It’s 2025, did you just arrive?
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Judging by how you behave you’re not fucking a lot my dude.
I would like to say: clinton didn’t lose because she’s a woman, she lost because she’s a sleazeball. harris didn’t lose because she’s a woman, she lost because she was courting the right wing for some reason. AOC can win because she’s not a sleazy right winging neolib. I’d vote for her for president.
What you said is true. But any woman, even a great one, is going to have a tougher time than a man would. Sexism is still a problem in this country.
Sexism and racism. It’s absolutely foolish for anyone to think that Americans won’t abstain from voting, or worse vote against a woman or a non-white person. It’s abysmal to think about, but it’s true.
If a woman or a non-white person runs, there will be a subset of the population who refuse to vote for them specifically because of their race or gender.
It’s why the republicans always run an old white male asshole, because no one refuses to vote for old white male assholes specifically out of principle, but a large amount of people (larger than you or I would likely think) will absolutely vote against a woman or a non-white person specifically due to their race or gender.
It’s like you guys forget that Barrack Hussein Obama lead us to the largest victory in recent memory. The black guy with the Muslim name less than a decade from 9/11. He just never happened because if you tried to account for him, your whole theory would look like a steaming load.
I didn’t say that they couldn’t win, just that it was an additional hurdle a white man wouldn’t have. But I appreciate your strawman all the same, it is almost halloween.
Ok, some won’t, but not enough to prevent a black guy with a Muslim name from leading us to a supermajority win. If that’s your theory, then it’s worthless because it’s too little to matter when you put up an actually talented politician with an inspiring message. We should just do that, then we won’t have to wring our hands over whether you think they’re demographically optimal for the bigots in your head.
People had the same “what about the racists” message in 2008 and they all fell flat on their faces when the election happened and it had no meaningful impact. Obama won freaking North Carolina. The only Democrat to do so in the last 45 years.
You go ahead and keep pretending racism and sexism don’t exist, ostrich is the way.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but don’t underestimate the role of misogyny. A commentator on a podcast i listen to was in the US in the run-up to the last election and they said that something they heard over and over again in the people they talked to was variations on “i hate Trump and everything he stands for, but i couldn’t trust the country to a woman”
I had one friend like this. Basically all he talked about was how much he hates Trump, then come election he said he wasn’t voting at all because “Trump is bad, but Harris is worse because she’s a woman”.
In the sake of honesty, it wasn’t just that. He also said a few times that she’s worse than Trump because she claimed to be from a working class family, but almost always it was that she was a woman that was his reasoning.
“Trump is bad, but Harris is worse because she’s a woman”
It is stunning to imagine somebody actually saying this out loud, conscious of what they are doing rather than mindlessly acting on biases without introspection like a normal moron.
But somehow I also have zero surprise about it. Even if it’s just a fake story you made up for Lemmy it doesn’t matter because it’s genuinely a mundane everyday concept in so much of the country. (middle aged USian white dude from a conservative family here, it’s been a long time but I’ve heard it all)
I feel like I’ve gained a new understanding of quantum superposition!
My SO phrased it as “I don’t think I can vote for a woman for president.” and so they didn’t vote at all.
An issue with the presidential race isn’t getting the republican vote, it’s getting the dems to actually show up.
I’m curious, what gender is your SO?
I’d assume a guy, but conservative culture and media convinces a lot of women that they themselves are made from lesser stuff and should generally be deferring to the men anyway.
I almost thought the guy was doing a bit when I first heard it. I guess I always assumed misogynists would be more subtle about it. It was my first brush with someone that open about it.
Both Harris and Clinton position themselves as more of the status quo. Trump both time always positions himself as an outsider who taps into to racism and white rage. The only time you can win off a status quo type deal if the Dem admin was doing amazing during when they had power.
Yea, republicans piss on you and say it’s that guy, Dems piss on you and say it’s raining.
Atleast piss in my mouth and we’ll all be happy
Republicans haven’t won reelection in two decades, and Bush’s was real iffy. The change bias goes both ways.
Republicans eat asparaguses before pissing on you, Dems eat pineapple.
she lost because she was courting the right wing for some reason
That certainly had a decent effect. She was an easy target. She’s not white, she’s a woman, Right there you lost almost the entire right. She was trying to court the Jews when Israel was ready to go to bed with trump. She was a 11:59pm changeover for a sick president that was already making some questionable calls. Most of what she was doing wasn’t wrong or bad, but it was easy to attack and impossible to defend.
2025 Project was being installed and is being orchestrated by professional incredibly well funded politicians with incredible levels of oligarch backing. No matter what she would have done, anything but an all out blue wave would not have stopped them.
But it won’t matter in the next election, they’re ready to read from the Russian playbook. It’ll be a mock election. Most of the republicans and a lot of the dems are complicit. Even if the left were to get in (0 change imo) they would just call in some left sleepers to switch the power back, we’re well and properly baked.
AOC can win because she voted against the rail unions. This pleases the donors
AOC vs Erica Kirk.
The brown girl vs all that is white and right beauty pageant queen pick me. I can already call it. She will be the pied piper leading all the women into the Handmaids Tale.
Serena Joy Kirk
Non an american but I feel like US needs a revolutionary candidate to come back from Trump. It has to be someone strong enough to put nazis back into their place.
It’s still early to talk about this though right? From what I understand the upcoming midterms will shape everything else.
The way things work in the US, the politicians are always campaigning. I’m sure there are those who can explain why much better than I can, but I think it boils down to the influence of money in our system and the need to constantly fundraise to win.
The Midterms will represent a potential check on Trump’s power, though we still have major hurdles in the Supreme Court and Trump himself. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump keeps doing what he wants under cover of a Reich-Wing Supreme Court and with a threat of an armed revolt of his MAGA base. The hope is that we can limp through the next two years after the Shitgibbon gets put in check, forcing him to run around the board trying more and more unhinged things until we checkmate him in 28. The reality is that he’s still got plenty of pieces and isn’t afraid to flip the board if he doesn’t get what he wants.
But maybe if he and his followers see tens of millions of people standing up when he tries it, they might fuck off back to the holes they came from.
I appreciate Bernie for being an adult and helping to boost up the people that will be here after him.
Most every other politician, when they aren’t cramming their unqualified, entitled broodspawn where they don’t belong, is gnawing off limbs trying to make sure they’re entombed with their positions like the pharaohs.
It really is something that a black man elected as POTUS managed to get somewhat decent affordable healthcare for all. Really goes to show a lot of politicians, regardless of beliefs, are only serving their own interests and of their donors.
The American people are just a byproduct. When will the masses learn we are engaged in a 2 front war: Republicans that became Nazi’s over a dpan of a few decades and the Ownership class making regular citizens fight amongst themselves.
I think that plenty of people who voted for Trump would be fine voting for a woman president as long as she’s strongly advocating change
These people just know that things aren’t great, they don’t know whose fault it was or what policies caused it. So they vote for the person who says they’ll change the most.
The largest deciding factor stated by people after voting was the economy. People remembered that there was a lot of inflation under Biden, and didn’t want to keep similar policies. Of course, we know that Trump’s first term had a pretty large influence on the state of the economy under Biden, and Biden’s policies probably didn’t hurt the economy. But the average voter is not that informed.
I think that plenty of people who voted for Trump would be fine voting for a woman president
I’m sorry, but this is based on what, exactly? I know you didn’t base it on historical data. Trump won against Hillary Clinton, a woman, lost against Joe Biden, a man, then won against Kamala Harris, a woman.
2016 turnout for Clinton/Trump: 128,837,949
2020 turnout for Biden/Trump: 155,507,476
2024 turnout for Harris/Trump: 152,319,643
3,187,833 fewer people turned out for the Harris/Trump election.
That’s two data points influenced by countless other factors. Like the economy, which I mentioned.
The last hope, so to say.
The thing about AOC is that she can bring in the millennials which far out weigh the normal voting demographic.
Her first executive order should be to nullify all executive orders Donald Trump ever made.
Remove that man from history make everyone forget his name.
You know, kind of what happened with Caligula.
Except we still remember Caligula.
Who’s Caligula?
Funnily enough “Caligula” is actually a nickname (and one depised by the man himself). His actual name at birth was Gaius Julius Caesar (not to be confused with the famous Dictator Gaius Julius Caesar)
So let’s just call our guy “Diaper Don” in the history books. It’s the best nickname I’ve heard. Pretty fitting to his maturity level and how he’s constantly throwing tantrums.
Ya… His uncle came up with it after he killed most of his family and sequester him and his sister to an island so he can mentally torture the boy for decades.
Or something like that.
…and we still put people like Caligula into positions of power.
We’re not going to make it, are we? :(
Yeah she should run
I mean how many times do we have to learn the hard way that America won’t elect a woman to be president?
Look at this country.
It’s a shitshow.
It didn’t elect a woman when the other option was a felon, rapist, insurrectionist manchild with one failed presidency and two impeachments already under his belt.
Do we really want to do this again when the stakes are so unbelievably high?
Goddamn. People need to get their heads screwed on straight. She isn’t just a woman, she’s also profoundly hated by a lot of Americans for being so progressive. Why the fuck would we do this to ourselves? I mean America wouldn’t even elect Bernie, the male version of her with a lot more experience.
WE NEED TO START LIVING IN REALITY.
I like AOC. I respect her for what she does. But she’s not going to be president in 2028.
People don’t understand that you need more than hardcore Democrats, you need other groups like Christian swing voters to get elected President.
Christians do not allow woman to be elected to any leadership roles in the Church, because they blame women for the downfall of mankind in the Garden of Eden.
If they won’t let a woman lead the church, why would anyone think they would elect a woman to lead the government and country?
I think it’s not necessarily “because she was a woman”, though without a doubt it was factor.
it was also because they were out of touch neoliberals. Hillary was clearly playing dirty with Bernie, and Kamala was actively participating a genocide.
This is why we have primaries. We don’t need to guess. The last 3 democratic candidates bypassed the primaries because the dem leadership are morons.
Sometimes the best candidate is a woman and nothing can be done about that. I feel like trying to “game the system” is what has caused so much problems with democrats, historically.
They’re always trying to speculate about what their most bigoted neighbor would tolerate instead of trying to inspire left-of-center voters to show up. If we let these worrywarts pick, we wouldn’t have had Obama.
Ive been here since 1975 and America has never had a decent human as a president.
But next time, right?
Not even Jimmy?
Or Obama?
If the GOP wasn’t so strong he could have done a lot more good as well.
We need to change the house and senate, blue cities and states are so under representated
The deporter in chief? The guy who brought open-air slave markets to Libya?
lol right? the man deported far more people than Trump has so far.
edit: and that’s just the beginning of all the insanely fucked up shit Obama did. It’s so crazy how many people who would refuse to vote for a republican with the same track record, but when it comes to Obama it’s either they literally just don’t even know all he got up to at all (which is insane…) - or somehow as a society we mass-forgot about it all?? I find it so utterly bizarre how many people are like “man if we just had obama back all of our problems would be solved”. I actually think it’s a byproduct of social media not really being a thing, his election came a year after the release of the original iPhone. So people weren’t locked in engaging in inflammatory takes and “news” every single day.
And if you remember, leading up to the 2016 election and Cambridge Analytica, suddenly there were takes left and right ranging from “he’s not REALLY black”, “his wife is a man”, to the whole birth certificate idiocy. If we had social media pre-2008 like we do now, I think the fact that his middle name is Hussein would be enough to derail the entire thing.
