Until that day, let’s hope people recognize that there really are only two votes that will end up counting. I still regret voting for Nader when Bush stole the election in 2000.
What you wrote is a simplification and it’s also wrong in general. For people who don’t live in swing states, one vote more or less isn’t going to change the election. This is especially true if you’re in an obvious minority in your own state.
Also, the two established parties realize that people think what you think, and that gives them an excuse not to represent their base. The term used back in Bill Clinton’s days was “triangulation”. One of the ways of keeping presidential candidates honest is to vote for third parties if necessary.
Finally, it’s important to keep in mind that the stance you have here is something that many of us have heard for decades.
And it’s all still true, as long as we have a voting system that is essentially actively detrimental to yourself if you try to express anything other than R or D on the voting ballot.
Democrats aren’t taking advantage, republicans are. Why do you think independent candidates are funded primarily by GOP PACs but use moderate platforms? They know anyone educated enough to find value in a moderate candidate would never have voted for Trump.
We can acknowledge that Trump is a fascist and people need to vote for Biden or there is a real possibility of not being able to vote again.
We can also acknowledge that as a result Democrats don’t have to try very hard and can present a boring “mostly status quo” candidate under the banner of “what are you going to do, let a fascist win?”
Yes, it sucks. We can acknowledge it sucks. Personally I think the best way to correct course is if the Republicans lose hard to send the message that they need to be putting forward reasonable candidates to stand a chance, at which point it would be reasonable to not vote for disappointing Democratic candidates.
We can still acknowledge that what is being offered isn’t stellar.
I agree that he’s not stellar. So do the polls. My point is that third-party candidates aren’t spoiling the republican nomination, even though they’re funded by republicans. They’re running specifically to pull anti-Trump votes from Biden, and have a real effect on the potential for a second term for Trump.
I agree, the point OP was making is that Biden and the Democrats are taking advantage of Trump being the nominee by not trying very hard because “who else are you going to vote for?”
I follow. Biden knows he’s polling way too low to be strong-arming the vote. That’s not what is influencing his lack of action regarding Netanyahu. This is how the US have handled the Iran-Israel proxy conflict since the 80’s. I do not think it’s right either. I do know that republicans have wanted an active Iranian war for decades though. That’s why the House is stalling the Ukraine/Israel support bill that’s already passed the Senate in favor of the new Israel aid bill currently being drafted.
They are taking advantage of the situation by ignoring voters telling him to stop genocide. They believe they can do whatever they want and voters will still reward him with another opportunity to keep doing it.
The US has always been too easy on Israel. I agree that Biden needs to stand firm on his recent insistence of diplomacy after the attack, and take action if Netanyahu doesn’t agree to follow.
Yes, they absolutely are. It’s why they’re supporting the genocide every last centrist has always wanted. They can get away with it because the other option is worse.
Until that day, let’s hope people recognize that there really are only two votes that will end up counting. I still regret voting for Nader when Bush stole the election in 2000.
Let’s also hope that people realize voters who don’t vote far outnumber third-party voters.
There should be some improved turnout in the 18-24 range now that abortion and marijuana are on the ballot in several states this November.
What you wrote is a simplification and it’s also wrong in general. For people who don’t live in swing states, one vote more or less isn’t going to change the election. This is especially true if you’re in an obvious minority in your own state.
Also, the two established parties realize that people think what you think, and that gives them an excuse not to represent their base. The term used back in Bill Clinton’s days was “triangulation”. One of the ways of keeping presidential candidates honest is to vote for third parties if necessary.
Finally, it’s important to keep in mind that the stance you have here is something that many of us have heard for decades.
And it’s all still true, as long as we have a voting system that is essentially actively detrimental to yourself if you try to express anything other than R or D on the voting ballot.
I’d settle for Democrats not taking advantage of the situation.
Democrats aren’t taking advantage, republicans are. Why do you think independent candidates are funded primarily by GOP PACs but use moderate platforms? They know anyone educated enough to find value in a moderate candidate would never have voted for Trump.
We can acknowledge that Trump is a fascist and people need to vote for Biden or there is a real possibility of not being able to vote again.
We can also acknowledge that as a result Democrats don’t have to try very hard and can present a boring “mostly status quo” candidate under the banner of “what are you going to do, let a fascist win?”
Yes, it sucks. We can acknowledge it sucks. Personally I think the best way to correct course is if the Republicans lose hard to send the message that they need to be putting forward reasonable candidates to stand a chance, at which point it would be reasonable to not vote for disappointing Democratic candidates.
We can still acknowledge that what is being offered isn’t stellar.
I agree that he’s not stellar. So do the polls. My point is that third-party candidates aren’t spoiling the republican nomination, even though they’re funded by republicans. They’re running specifically to pull anti-Trump votes from Biden, and have a real effect on the potential for a second term for Trump.
I agree, the point OP was making is that Biden and the Democrats are taking advantage of Trump being the nominee by not trying very hard because “who else are you going to vote for?”
I follow. Biden knows he’s polling way too low to be strong-arming the vote. That’s not what is influencing his lack of action regarding Netanyahu. This is how the US have handled the Iran-Israel proxy conflict since the 80’s. I do not think it’s right either. I do know that republicans have wanted an active Iranian war for decades though. That’s why the House is stalling the Ukraine/Israel support bill that’s already passed the Senate in favor of the new Israel aid bill currently being drafted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Israel_proxy_conflict
They are taking advantage of the situation by ignoring voters telling him to stop genocide. They believe they can do whatever they want and voters will still reward him with another opportunity to keep doing it.
The US has always been too easy on Israel. I agree that Biden needs to stand firm on his recent insistence of diplomacy after the attack, and take action if Netanyahu doesn’t agree to follow.
The honest truth is that none of the other choices will be better, and Trump will be far, far worse.
This is exactly what taking advantage looks like.
We’re having the same conversation again, just one thread down. Lol
“You have to vote for us no matter how badly we behave because the alternative is worse.”
That is taking advantage. If you don’t see that, I can’t explain it any more clearly.
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Yes, they absolutely are. It’s why they’re supporting the genocide every last centrist has always wanted. They can get away with it because the other option is worse.
You think Trump would be better? Republicans have been bloodthirsty for an Iran conflict for decades.
No, I don’t.
I think Democrats are taking advantage of this in order to move as far to the right as being second worst will allow.
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I doubt that.
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