The choice isn’t between voting and doing nothing. It’s between trusting a corrupted system and building power outside of it. Critiquing the system isn’t inaction, it’s the necessary first step toward meaningful action.
Still waiting on that quote where I told anyone not to vote. You won’t find it, because it doesn’t exist.
My point (which I’ve been consistent about) is; that voting alone isn’t enough, not that people shouldn’t do it. If you’ve got a quote that says otherwise, I’m happy to address it. Otherwise, this is just an (intentional?) misreading of the argument.
You say that like voting means “trusting the system” but that’s clearly extremely incorrect. voting means being connected to reality and giving enough of a shit to go do it.
Voting is an act. Trusting the system is a strategy. You can do one without the other.
But when you treat voting as the only proof of “giving a shit,” you’re doing exactly what my original point warns against: funneling all political energy into a structurally limited mechanism. Real power is built between elections, not just at the ballot box.
Not once have I said people shouldn’t vote. If that’s your takeaway, you’re either arguing in bad faith or you’ve fundamentally misunderstood the point.
The argument is straightforward: voting is necessary, but insufficient. Believing it’s the only meaningful political act is what keeps power concentrated and change out of reach. Criticizing the limits of electoralism ≠ telling people not to vote. It’s telling them not to stop there.
If you can’t (or won’t) engage with that distinction, then this conversation has nowhere left to go.
They argued against doing anything to help And apparently so are you.
The choice isn’t between voting and doing nothing. It’s between trusting a corrupted system and building power outside of it. Critiquing the system isn’t inaction, it’s the necessary first step toward meaningful action.
Could building relations with other non-MAGA Americans be considered part of building power?
Also, could voting for the lesser evil buy you time to build said power?
Excellent questions, and the answer to both is yes.
And yet, here you are telling people not to vote.
Still waiting on that quote where I told anyone not to vote. You won’t find it, because it doesn’t exist.
My point (which I’ve been consistent about) is; that voting alone isn’t enough, not that people shouldn’t do it. If you’ve got a quote that says otherwise, I’m happy to address it. Otherwise, this is just an (intentional?) misreading of the argument.
You say that like voting means “trusting the system” but that’s clearly extremely incorrect. voting means being connected to reality and giving enough of a shit to go do it.
Voting is an act. Trusting the system is a strategy. You can do one without the other.
But when you treat voting as the only proof of “giving a shit,” you’re doing exactly what my original point warns against: funneling all political energy into a structurally limited mechanism. Real power is built between elections, not just at the ballot box.
You’re telling people not to vote or at minimum that they should not vote for Democrats. That speaks for itself.
Not once have I said people shouldn’t vote. If that’s your takeaway, you’re either arguing in bad faith or you’ve fundamentally misunderstood the point.
The argument is straightforward: voting is necessary, but insufficient. Believing it’s the only meaningful political act is what keeps power concentrated and change out of reach. Criticizing the limits of electoralism ≠ telling people not to vote. It’s telling them not to stop there.
If you can’t (or won’t) engage with that distinction, then this conversation has nowhere left to go.
That’s assuming the only way to help is to vote for the fascist enablers. And it isn’t! I feel like you’re not engaging the argument in good faith