Weren’t the same antivax quacks claiming we’d all be dead from the vax within a year? Seems like they are very lacking in the critical thinking department
It’s like those doomsday cults that have to change the date after each time the world doesn’t end, first they said everyone would drop dead in weeks, then months, I think now they’re claiming that it’s a slow burner like smoking.
Well I’m dead as a whistle.
I’m dead inside, does that count?
As long as you don’t open.
This Plopp wouldn’t “foom” if you put 40,000 volts through him!
A lot of people did die, we had athletes keeling over in record numbers “mysteriously.”
These were young extremely healthy people mind you. I can only imagine what that experimental shit would do to my alcoholic, chain smoking not-quite-fat-but-close-enough middle aged ass.
Meanwhile, I got covid twice and it was no big deal so YMMV.
yes, young people die… but then, young people are always dying. . The amount of sudden cardiac death among athletes has gone down over the past 20 years.
So, if you had the shot, you would have been at a lower risk than if you didnt.
Wow, you were wrong as fuck there. You gonna be an adult and own up to it?
Wrong about what? I didn’t get the experimental vaccine, got sick twice. Ooooohhhhh scary, like a bad cold lmao. Meanwhile at least 3 people in my circle got the vaccine and fucking died. And the ones that didn’t die all got sicker than me. I’m fine with my decisions lol. Why the fuck do people trust any government these days?
I don’t trust the government, but if I look something up and come to the same conclusions, so be it. I don’t listen to the internet, or Joe Rogan style propagandists. I’m not gonna knee-jerk oppose something just because the government agrees. This is your, and people like you’s, problem. You’re so afraid your peers will perceive you as “trusting the (wrong) government” or going against your favorite propagandists that you will actively oppose your own best interest.
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Those people? Albert Einstein.
Please clap.
Meanwhile at least 3 people in my circle got the vaccine and fucking died.
It didn’t happen. (How does that feel?)
How many is “a lot” to you?
Why give these people a platform? We all know antivax quacks exist. There’s no need to help share their bullshit.
It takes no effort to come up with made up antivax lines of reasoning since they don’t have to be true. Disproving them takes much more effort so it’s worth knowing the most common ones.
Disproving them can work if they are debunked by dedicated people. Education can work. It’s just foolhardy to try to debunk them if you aren’t some YouTuber who’s dedicated to constantly debating and debunking these type of people. If you constantly educate people on why this stuff is wrong, less people may fall into this stuff in the first place, prevention is a necessary and doable thing.
Disproving them won’t even change antivaxer minds but it’s more about not being caught off-guard by bullshit. Education won’t fix it either. Those magical thinking movements are built on ruling elites being being proven untrustworthy time and time again.
It won’t change antivaxxer minds, but it probably would prevent those who would be affected by their rhetoric, woo, and misinformation. Those who are on the precipice of going antivax or full antivax. I’ve learned that you can’t just think about changing the minds of those who you are talking to, because you probably can’t change their minds, but you do have to worry about convincing people who are listening into that conversation.
The 1% manufactures this propaganda to fuel their culture war. It is only after the billionaires are unalive and the brainwashed people pass on will it end. Not a problem easily solved
Disproving them can work
No
My libertarian friend fully believes in this shit. It’s good to publicly denounce these frauds with evidence to help fight the disinformation campaigns being waged.
We need ways to counter them. If nobody counters when they warn about whatever made up junk they have someone else will believe them. I don’t know how to country them though - it is harder than you might think. There have been a couple real conspiracies in history and if they accuse you of being in one how do you prove you are not?
People go through stages as they fall into the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. Early in the decent they are still engaging in healthy reasoning patterns that I won’t go so far as to say are “logical” or “rational,” but they are still flexible enough to be diverted from the conspiracies. There’s always a reason they start down that path: maybe someone close to them got badly sick, maybe they just had a child and are seeking out the best ways to protect them. If you can sit down with them and engage with them on this underlying cause for concern in an empathetic way, that’s when you can change their mind and keep them in the zone of legitimate science and medicine. If they react to every discussion as a confrontation, they are beyond the point that bringing scientific evidence to them will change their mind.
Arguably best way to counter misinformation is non-platforming it. Mere provable facts and impeccable logic have a dogshit success rate.
The problem is other platforms exist. not jst social media, but daycare dropoff or coffee shops.
Then what’s your counter?
I wish I knew. So far I haven’t seen one that works. It is despirataly needed.
I saw vaccine pure blood bumper sticker the other day. I was quite disappointed.
Hahahaha I had forgotten that they use terms like “pure-blood.” Some even go so far as to believe that because they’re unvaccinated their gametes will be in higher demand because they’re “pure.”
Some people do. My wife’s friend said as much.
Her father died of the virus and she insists that the doctors secretly executed him for his conservative views. It’s really sad to see that she doubled down rather than face the reality of those harmful beliefs.
Ordinarily I think we shouldn’t judge how a person copes, but when those beliefs are actively harmful and when you integrate them throughout the rest of your life, you have some responsibility to face too. Decisions have consequences.
She’s highly educated and ex military. You would think if anyone would listen to reason…
You’re preaching to the choir. My mother is like this too. She is deep in the conspiracy rabbit hole. Used to work as a nurse, really well travelled too.
It’s bizarre to see her regurgitate q-anon BS when we’re not even in the U.S.
doctors secretly executed him for his conservative views
The sad and messed up reality is:
They believe this, cause they would do so given the chance…
It’s a weird flex. The nobles in the past did the blood purity thing and turned themselves into inbred morons. It’s how you know it’s a fairy tale when it starts with a beautiful princess, because in reality they were all inbred nightmares.
Didn’t stop the Nazis from doing it too, and we all know what kind of morons these are
i feel like 95% of these idiots have had the MMR shot when they were kids and don’t even remember.
They’re terrified of the mRNA vaccine. Because they’re incurious about science, they think it’s brand new, like invented just for this virus. Try telling them that the delivery mechanism has been around for awhile and scientists have been working on this vaccine since SARS and all they do is cover their ears and hum louder.
The amount of people putting “unvaxxed” in dating sites is shocking. I mean i appreciate the heads up, like all aposematism, but it was genuinely surprising.
At least they made it obvious that you shouldn’t bother with them. Imagine you could instantly weed out everyone based on their bullshit beliefs already.
I see a lot of them on tinder.
Minutes after completion, I felt an aching, throbbing, stabbing sensation on one side of my lower abdomen.
This is what happens when you have sex with a person vaccinated about 72 days prior, according to the nut jobs described in this article.
Nurse here, they’re describing uterine fibroids which are often aggravated after, you guessed it, sex
That just sounds like normal orgasm!
Maybe they’re just mad that the first orgasm they’d been given was from a dirty vaxxer.
That tracks
why not just call it what they think it is: Magic.
Does mean that the unvaccinated anti-vaxers will keep away from the vaccinated??
I am really surprised that science blaming can still be turned into a cult in 2024
What is not understood can often be turned into horror, and by Odin do most people not understand shit. Mind you we are all ignorant of most things due to the nature of reality, the problem is assuming you know the unknown.
The more you know the more you realize what you don’t know. If you don’t know jack shit to start. And learn horse shit your still don’t know jack shit. And the realization never hits.
ooh, a link to Science Based Medicine, a really high quality blog. Love these guys
Did you forget the /s?
SBM is run by Dr Stephen Novella aka Skeptics Guide to the Universe, these guys are some of the most vocal (and knowledgeable) pro-science anti-quack science communicators around… if there’s BS antivacc nonsense floating around, they’ll call it out and rip it apart.
Can highly recommend their podcast (the aforementioned Skeptics Guide to the Universe) as well!
no, Science Based Medicine is a class act, focusing on improving medical care, and care that’s science based instead of feelings.
That’s pretty cool. Thanks for sharing!
The few that are still alive?
How many quacks are doing this?
