Here’s the process as I understand it (please correct my errors):
- USA likes Israel, a lot for some reason
- “Israel” attacks Iran. This whole thing is being done with the USA’s airplanes though.
- Why does the USA love Israel so much?
- What’s the logic here? Not just the conspiracy. But why now? Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What’s the USA gaining here?
THE FILES WERE MADE TO START WARS. This multinational blackmail campaign has been running since the 80s to let a handful of rich men(and Ghislaine and her sister) control countries, industries, resources, borders and anything else they want.
Also a bunch of billionaires want more money, feudalism, Skynet, the literal Rapture, and other competing bad ideas.
“Why is the USA attacking Iran?”
Trump’s insecurity:
By associating with “biblical” Netanyahu’s “Israel”, he gains “validity”.
By bombing someone, he gains “authority”.
By pretending that his-regime’s actions benefit the protestors in Iran, he gains “humanitarian credibility”, while warring against the people living in the US’s own Democrat states.
By doing all this NOW, he deflects from his being an Epstein-associate who’s on evidence for crimes against women, & girls.
See the PATTERN, not just some single-aspect of it, & then it makes more sense.
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For a long while after the Iraq debacle, I was predicting that Iran would be next, and it just kept not happening.
I guess even the right-wingers of the time were too level-headed to want to open that can of worms.
Heck, even Trump didn’t go there during his first term. I had accepted that I had been wrong.
So, of course, this time, the crazy old narcissist has gone and done it.
(This reads like I feel like I could have done something to prevent it. I know I couldn’t, I’m just some random guy, but I still feel like I took my eye off the ball.)
I’ve been predicting Iran as the real target since the first gulf war
People forget that the only reason Iraq wasn’t wiped out in the war with Iran in the eighties was US backing
American troops were confused to find Iraqi soldiers with US weapons, they forget their history so quickly
I imagine that there’s no real consensus response to what you’ve asked, given that the official reasons are pretty murky. My take, for what it’s worth at least:
Epstein was likely connected to Israel. From bits and pieces that’ve been reported about timelines and from the email archives, it seems like he sold information to both Israel and Russia – typically blackmail material for use as leverage against people in key positions in politics / business. Many of the later emails relating to Trump, appeared to talk about the dirt Epstein had on Trump, and efforts to potentially sell it to others.
This blackmail material, combined with the massive amount of money thrown at US gov candidates by things like AIPAC, results in ‘close ties’ between the US Govt and Israeli interests. Basically, to control Americas government, if you can ‘buy’ a majority of the candidates via PAC funding or blackmail material, you can control the overall tone and direction of America’s international politics.
In terms of ‘why now’ and what they gain…
So the Epstein files note above is just ‘another nail’ in the common american’s support for Israel – even before those links were made more apparent, public opinion had largely soured due to the brutal treatment of Palestinians. Israel as a state has been increasingly an apartheid regime – mostly in its alignment to far right fascist motifs involving xenophobia. The US right also aligns with this general sentiment – the people currently in the administration, for example, practically all cheer on figures like Jack Posobiec, who romanticizes figures such as Spain’s Franco, a fascist dictator who literally came to power with the backing of Hitler. They maintain this notion that ‘they’ are the sole custodians of civilization, so any atrocity they commit against ‘others’ is justified and right. So timing-wise, it’s definitely best to do this sort of thing with Trump’s administration in power – they’ll be gleeful willing accomplices, no need for much convincing.
Also entering in to the arena, would be the emergence of powers like China, and the perceived deterioration of the USA’s global influence. Israel as a state, exists because of the USA – Trump likes to say that about Canada, but Canada doesn’t really have a bunch of neighbours (other than the USA) that want Canada dead for having a history of “pre-emptive strikes” and so on. If the USA were to fall into significant decline, Israel’s existence would be in clear jeopardy. In order to survive, Israel likely needed to trigger a conflict before America’s hegemony deteriorated too far – to survive without a ‘singular’ military hegemony’s backing, Israel needs to have the entire power dynamic of the middle east destroyed and remade with them as the defacto/unchallenged ‘power’ of the region.
Add in to the mix the Tech bro oligarchs, who all want their own baronies – or ‘free cities’ as they like to call them. These folks actively bank roll efforts to destabilize states. Their reasons seem to vary a tiny bit, but the end result/drive is the same: they want to have the ability to control cities/people, without worrying about government controls/oversight/regulations, because “they know best”. So they’re completely in alignment with the other areas in which we’re seeing dramatic increases in authoritarian traits. So there’s practically unlimited money available for any sort of atrocity that can benefit the richest 0.1% at the expense of everyone else.
Most of what’s above speaks to the conditions that set the stage for the event.
As for the very specific timing, it’s still highly likely that Trump is just trying to mute the Epstein stuff. What he gains is less coverage of Epstein. He is America’s dictator, so what benefits him, benefits America. That simple.
So this is one where actually it really makes no sense for the US to attack Iran - this comes down to a bad president making impulsive decisions. It certainly benefits Israel. Trump seems to think he is untouchable after attacking Iran last year and kidnapping Venezuela’s president. This war seems to be him shooting from the hip and not being restrained by those around him from making very bad decisions.
From a US strategic point of view, it can’t achieve regime change in Iran by bombing the country (it’d need troops on the ground) and it has low supplies of air defence munitions thanks to selling stocks to Ukraine and also using up some supplies in it’s 2 day war against Iran in 2025. Going to war now is foolhardy - Iran just needs to prolong this war beyond a few weeks and the US will be in trouble. It will need to pivot to a defensive posture to protect its allies in the region as defenses run out, which will be tough and cost US servicemen and women’s lives. It will also cost a fortune to prosecute this war without any real benefit.
US allies in the middle east have been drawn into a conflict they certainly didn’t want, global trade will be disrupted by closing the Strait of Hormuz (a very major shipping route), oil prices will spike and could stay high if oil infrastructure is damaged in the war, air traffic will remain disrupted and the gulf states economic hub plans (building up Dubai as an Economic centre etc) will be damaged. It’s possible this could even tilt the global economy to recession, or even precipitate an earlier end to the AI stock-market bubble.
This war is looking like a major strategic blunder by the US; more stupid than the Vietnam war (which was at least thought-out by strategists). Its likely the Pentagon was against this war, but sadly Trump and his clown-car cabinet are pulling the shots. It’s a war that’s goals cannot be achieved, yet will costly the longer it runs.
Trump is torn between the neoconservatives like Rubio, formally bolton etc, and Israel that want regime change and his own unwillingness to go full troops on the ground. The neocons successfully get trump to blow up Obama era deals designed to keep the peace by catering to Trump’s ego telling him he can get a better deal than Obama, in reality they don’t want a deal and want to escalate but this is the best they can get.
So trump goes to the negotiating table only to find out that Obama’s deal is the best he can get. Frustrated and unwilling to admit Obama was just as good a negotiator as him he begins to blame the leaders for their intransigence. The longer this goes on the dumber he looks for blowing up the original deal and not being able to get a new one, all the while Iran is enriching more uranium to try and push the US to accept the old deal.
Then Venezuela happens and he comes up with a new plan, if you can’t change the deal you can at least change the negotiating team. He can take out the leader, use them as a scapegoat for the long stalled negotiations, sign the same deal and call it a win. Maduro repeatedly said he was willing to play ball with Trump but it would be on similar grounds to the Obama era deal but trump couldn’t go back to the US and say he re-imoosed all these sanctions for nothing, so he took out Maduro, got a reason to declare victory and went home.
My guess is he’s trying to do the same here, say all the issues with negotiations were because of the Ayatollah, sign a new version of the same deal with Trump branding like the USMCA , declare victory and head home.
Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal?
Yes, Israel doesn’t want regime change because they know hatred for Israel is so broad that it will survive a regime change, especially one triggered by a war of aggression started by them. They want to turn Iran into the next Syria and get them to turn all of their ire inwards instead of at them.
This is a great question and one that is worth diving into a bit, but not necessarily by me. There are a plethora of answers here with some insightful and some less so backgrounds. I suggest that you dig into some outside sources and potentially you can work through the complexity of the answer as history often is.
I’m sure others have some great references as well, but given this crowd I’d suggest some youtube videos. I also suggest some recently written long form articles in foreign affairs which is always good for understanding context, as well as a few books.
RealLifeLore:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8kSGH4I8Ps Why Iran Regime is Failing (Water, economics, and more.)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3l5bCGjqLE Why It’s So Hard to Defeat Iran Militarily
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmvB7KW7WJA How The US & Iran Became Arch-Enemies
Related:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oytfhLUy0Fg How Israel Checkmated Iran
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuFGyFLehNw Why Russia’s New Axis is Way Dumber Than You Think
Also Foreign Affairs has some good long form pieces:
- https://www.foreignaffairs.com/middle-east/why-iran-will-escalate
- https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/trump-iran-gamble-vaez
- https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/what-it-will-take-change-regime-iran
- https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/americas-best-chance-transform-iran-trump
Book wise I recommend:
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Worlds Apart: A Documentary History of US-Iranian Relations, 1978–2018 by Malcolm Byrne and Kian Byrne offers a meticulously curated collection of declassified documents tracing pivotal moments in bilateral tensions, including the Iranian Revolution and nuclear negotiations
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Axis of Empire: A History of Iran-US Relations by Afshin Matin-Asgari examines America’s Cold War hegemony, the shah’s regime, the 1979 Revolution, and Trump-era escalations, including the 2025 US-Israel attempt at regime change in Tehran
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Iran’s Perilous Pursuit of Nuclear Weapons by David Albright uses Mossad-seized Iranian documents to detail clandestine weapons efforts, assassinations of scientists, and cyberwarfare like Stuxnet
Pedophilia
You’d be amazed at what a cabal of pedophiles will do to protect their secrets.
The word is horrified, but yes.
POTUS Donald Trump intends to use America’s wars with Iran and Venezuela as justification for cancelling the US midterm elections for Congress. That will prevent the hugely unpopular Republicans, today all Trump Nazis, from losing power.
It shouldn’t work; the US has had plenty of wartime elections, and the POTUS should not have that power, anyway. But US law means nothing to today’s Republicans or the Nazi, Donald John Trump.
Trump will decree the midterms cancelled; blue states will tell him to fuck off, while red states will agree. Half the country won’t even prepare their polling places. The whole mess will go to SCOTUS, and in flagrant disagreement with the US Constitution that they’re sworn to uphold, they will side with Trump. The midterms will be cancelled. The 2028 POTUS election will similarly be cancelled. The Republicans will remain in power without the support of the majority of the US population, and Trump will be a full-fledged dictator and POTUS for life, free from prosecution for his numerous crimes.
Trump is the most powerful and successful criminal in US history, and his iron-fisted reign of terror continues because the Biden Administration was too feckless to bring him to justice when they could. If Trump wasn’t POTUS, today he would be in jail or house arrest, and barred from further participation in US politics because of his J6 insurrection. But he is POTUS, and he’s all too happy to abuse that power to the fullest to remain a free and happy Nazi.
The only answers i can give you without conspiracy theories:
But why now? Why at all?
The top of the Iran administration (khamenei and top military generals) decided the meet in person. Israel found out and bombed the shit out of the building. That’s why khamenei and top military generals all died in the beginning of the war.
The negotiations were progressing in a good rhythm and it caught the US (Israel informed US right before the bombing, but there was nothing US could do) and Iran of guard.
Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing?
Iran is the only close country that still keeps an aggressive stand against Israel (mainly by using hezbollah as a proxy). By doing this Israel wants a more friendly government.
By doing this Israel wants a more friendly government.
Israel knows there will never be a friendly government to them in Iran, Israel knows that hatred for Israel is broad and will survive a regime change, especially one triggered by a war of aggression from Israel. They’re hoping to turn Iran into the next Syria, keep them fighting amongst themselves so they can’t turn their ire towards them.
Israel knows there will never be a friendly government to them in Iran, Israel knows that hatred for Israel is broad and will survive a regime change, especially one triggered by a war of aggression from Israel.
I dunno. Lots of iranians don’t like their government.
Yes, and a lot of Iranians support their government, or want a theocracy that’s even more paternalistic. If the regime falls now you’ll most likely see either a military dictatorship take over to suppress the various conflicts and contradictions in the country, or those conflicts flare up into a civil war between theocrats and Democrats similar to Syria. Israel wants the civil war because a military dictator is still probably going to shoot missiles at them, arm Hezbollah and Hamas etc. while a civil war all the missiles are fired within the country.
Israel doesn’t want a unified Iran, whether under a democracy or dictatorship, because Iran is mostly unified under their hatred for Israel due to its various crimes.
I think you are wrong.
Israel doesn’t want a unified Iran
I think it’s better for israel to put someone with whom they can cooperate than to let it go to a civil war.
because Iran is mostly unified under their hatred for Israel due to its various crimes.
IMHO, this isn’t true. Israel was able to pinpoint the location of top political figures extremely easy. That means that the civil society hates more the government than israel. If they hated israel more then, they wouldn’t be able to pull the moves they did (like killing a hamas top operative in a safe house)
Anyway, this is just a guessing exercise. Nobody knows the future. Let’s hope for the best for the iranian people.
Because Israel has a leash around Trump’s neck.
This is the answer. This has been like a multiple decade plan by Israel. Nothing to do with the cabal of pedophiles, which it might help. But basically, Netanyahu has always wanted to attack Iran, he’s been having Trump do his bidding and has him around his finger.
Gives them a pretense to give money to the weapons industry -> weapons industry has higher profit -> stock goes up -> Dow Jones is over 50k, which makes their other crimes legal.
Let’s not all forget that Israel is not finished eradicating Palestine, but now everyone is looking at Iran. Violence in Gaza will again escalate but now with no coverage because a bigger war has started.
