Here’s the process as I understand it (please correct my errors):
- USA likes Israel, a lot for some reason
- “Israel” attacks Iran. This whole thing is being done with the USA’s airplanes though.
- Why does the USA love Israel so much?
- What’s the logic here? Not just the conspiracy. But why now? Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What’s the USA gaining here?
This is a great question and one that is worth diving into a bit, but not necessarily by me. There are a plethora of answers here with some insightful and some less so backgrounds. I suggest that you dig into some outside sources and potentially you can work through the complexity of the answer as history often is.
I’m sure others have some great references as well, but given this crowd I’d suggest some youtube videos. I also suggest some recently written long form articles in foreign affairs which is always good for understanding context, as well as a few books.
RealLifeLore:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8kSGH4I8Ps Why Iran Regime is Failing (Water, economics, and more.)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3l5bCGjqLE Why It’s So Hard to Defeat Iran Militarily
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmvB7KW7WJA How The US & Iran Became Arch-Enemies
Related:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oytfhLUy0Fg How Israel Checkmated Iran
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuFGyFLehNw Why Russia’s New Axis is Way Dumber Than You Think
Also Foreign Affairs has some good long form pieces:
- https://www.foreignaffairs.com/middle-east/why-iran-will-escalate
- https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/trump-iran-gamble-vaez
- https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/what-it-will-take-change-regime-iran
- https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/americas-best-chance-transform-iran-trump
Book wise I recommend:
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Worlds Apart: A Documentary History of US-Iranian Relations, 1978–2018 by Malcolm Byrne and Kian Byrne offers a meticulously curated collection of declassified documents tracing pivotal moments in bilateral tensions, including the Iranian Revolution and nuclear negotiations
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Axis of Empire: A History of Iran-US Relations by Afshin Matin-Asgari examines America’s Cold War hegemony, the shah’s regime, the 1979 Revolution, and Trump-era escalations, including the 2025 US-Israel attempt at regime change in Tehran
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Iran’s Perilous Pursuit of Nuclear Weapons by David Albright uses Mossad-seized Iranian documents to detail clandestine weapons efforts, assassinations of scientists, and cyberwarfare like Stuxnet
Holy Wars by Megadeth is a decent primer
because he has to testify in epstein recently so hes trying to attack iran to distract the news from epstein.
Because Trump is a compromat, and he is scared of Putin, and Putin wanted higher oil prices.
Trump probably now hopes that a war will help his popularity.Iran is one of the main supports and weapon suppliers for Russia … Putin is not happy about this.
So did he call Trump out? Because I haven’t heard that.
Also the Iranian designed drones are produced locally in Russia now. And Iran has so many problems themselves already, that their help is probably limited. Also Russia is running out of money fast to buy weapons from Iran.Yeah, he did. Ironically he called the assassination a "cynical violation of all norms of human morality and international law”.
Sorry, that was a bad example,because Putin has criticized Trump before, it’s the other way around,Trump never criticizes Putin.
But remember Putin is KGB, and he constantly plays a game of deceit. Also to his own population.Yes the famous motto being, “by deception you shall do war.” Oh wait, that’s Mossad.
Iran asked Russia for help,using the Russian S400 systems they have stationed in Syria, to help defend against Israeli missiles.
The response from Russia, was to shut down the S400 systems, to prevent them from being a target.So very clearly no aid is coming from Russia, and I think part of the reason is that this is what Putin want.
It’s because Russia is not in a position to provide aid as they are tied up in Ukraine. They need those S400 themselves (they even asked Turkey to give back some of the ones they sold to them).
This is the 4th time a Russian strategic partner was hit by the US (Syria, Venezuela and now Iran for the 2nd time) and Russia couldn’t do jack shit about it. It makes them look very bad and unreliable as a strategic partner, so I highly doubt Putin wants that.
Israel allows the U.S. to maintain a foothold in the Middle East and have an influence in the region (which is plentiful in natural resources like oil), that’s the gist of it. The U.S. also has a large Jewish community that is generally pro-Israel (not all of them, but many are. In recent events, many Jewish groups in America are now condemning Israel for their war in Gaza, starving the population, all that heinous stuff)
Iran’s government has made it clear that they don’t like Israel’s existence (due to their displacement of Palestinians, various war crimes, that sort. They also don’t like that they are so heavily American influenced). They don’t like the U.S. either, as they believe that they are an imperialist power that wants to take advantage of the Middle East. That is one reason that the United States deems Iran an enemy. Note that Iran’s government’s viewpoint is not necessarily the same as those of the Iranian people. Additionally, the state of Iran funds many proxy terrorist groups across the Middle East, all of which do terrible terrorist things, which the U.S. doesn’t like at all (especially when they do terrorist things against American citizens living in the Middle East).
Israel and Iran’s rivalry (and you can include the Saudi Arabia, UAE in this too) is mostly down to wanting to be top dog in the Middle East, having the most influence and power, and it doesn’t help that they have very different beliefs (not just religion, different styles of government, different policies, that sort)
TLDR:
U.S. supports Israel for Middle East influence
U.S. don’t like that Iran’s government is anti-America and anti-Israel, and they don’t like that they support terrorist groups either
Israel competes with Iran for power in the Middle East, and have very different beliefs
Please note that I am not trying to incite a political debate. America and Israel has done bad stuff (war crimes, imperialism, etc), Iran has done bad stuff (terrorist proxies, political repression, etc), both are bad in my book.
You forgot the nuance of Iran being backed by China and Russia.
For your information, in a later comment I did note that the weakening of Russia due to their invasion of Ukraine is playing a part in making Iran more vulnerable. In terms of their ties with China, that is correct, their relations are an additional reason why the U.S. doesn’t like them very much. It doesn’t look like China would support them in a conflict though, at least not with troops on the ground.
So why was NOW the time? What’s the USA really gaining here with these strikes?
Russia is impotent to act. Iran had recent protests indicating that the regime is weak. China has not done anything preemptive and can’t do anything now because it’s too late.
Best case protests reignites and replaces the regime with something less US hostile. Worst case denies China cheap oil and Russia some war materials for a while.
China? Why would China give a fuck about Iran?
It’s 2026, not 1980.
The Epstein files are the reason
all these other comments are giving far too much credit to those in-power in the US right.
the only thing that matters to republicans, all establishment US politicians really (and especially any taking $ from AIPAC), is that their lines go up. once capitalism reaches a certain point, the best way to make your line go up is to just start breaking shit.
this the republicans role within the larger US economic/political cycle. they act to actively try to crash the US economy every time they’re in power, as they’re abject disaster capitalists…smart people have to hedge when instability threatens their bottom lines, disaster capitalists run around throwing rocks at windows. those that can’t keep up and go out of business are just bought up as distressed assets by those that have been around the block a few times.
everything these sociopathic cunts do is ultimately used as a way to extract liquidity out of the US’s stock/futures/bond markets (purposefully unregulated, relative to most other markets around the world)…every…single…time.
trump is ultimately just an incredibly easy tool for the real powers that control the US to enact their disaster capitalism as they see fit
follow the money, it is the only thing actually sacred to capitalists (extra so for american capitalists)
Distraction from the Epstein files, amongst other things. I straight up call this the Epstein war.
To bring detail to this, the Republican Party has been wanting this for a long time. Some want the oil control, some have fanatical religious beliefs (encouraged by the greedy oil-wanting ones) that want to see Israel win because it brings about the “end of days” and they will be “raptured” into heaven (body and all) while the rest of us foolish non-believers perish in hell.
Trump and Co. are using this desire of theirs to make them happy with him, distracting from the disgusting crimes that are coming to light about him. They won’t remove him and his criminal cabal from power if he keeps them happy by giving them the things they’ve always wanted, so they get to keep living and be in power as long as those freaks are happy.
As ridiculous this sounds, there are many many people in power who would oppose removing Trump, and have the ability to crush any dissent that would do so outside of the process of law, which they currently control through state violence. So, it’s not so easy as “fuck you guys, you’re insane, we’re not listening to you anymore, he’s gone” since they hold all the cards and that leads to a much bigger conflict for control of the most powerful nation on earth.
Ironically, the current state of Iran is a good analogue for what happens when a sudden power vacuum appears, and we don’t want to be ruled by a Christian cabal any more than we want what we currently have.
As much as we deserve it after all this, I sure hope we don’t find out; if only for my own sake.
As well as calling Iran attempted to influence elections while Trump tries to get national emergency powers enacted so he can cancel elections.
If you look at news from the past few months you see Iranians were in famine and drought and political violence leading to many protestor deaths in Tehran and the Iranian leadership moving out of the capital. Now was the perfect time to strike.
That’s happened a few times before hasn’t it?
Depends on who you ask. I think topically it feels like it’s an Epstein files distraction. There’s also the whole issue with them enriching uranium for nuclear weapons. It doesn’t help that Israel leadership has been crying wolf about “Iran will have nukes in the next 3 years” since the 90s.
It’s likely they are working to get nuclear weapons, and given that they fund all this terrorist stuff, it can’t be ignored. They’ve already been caught enriching uranium to levels beyond what’s needed for any peaceful application.
In the past, there have been moves against Iran (sanctions and the sort that are worsening their already mismanaged economy) but the recent strikes have been down mostly because Iran doesn’t really have any allies that are able to support them should they get attacked. Russia has their invasion of Ukraine that they are grinding soldiers in, and the Assads have been overthrown in Syria. Their bad bad economy also means they have lots of domestic issues too, making them super vulnerable.
and many of the naughty Iranian proxies have also been weakened through a hellfire of Israeli and American bombing, like the Houthis in Yemen, Hamas in Gaza, and Hezbollah in Lebanon.
Distraction. Americans have a long history of supporting any asshole as President the second they declare war. As long as the war is “over there” and with other’s kids.
Israel has some real, incontrovertible dirt on Trump that they are holding over him
He’s also desperate to have the US at war so he can suspend elections, because he knows that he will be hurt by the midterms
He’s also pathetically insecure, and history has traditionally looked back fondly at wartime leaders like Churchill and the like. He’s hoping for that
And the worst motivation, but one that I sincerely believe is accurate, is that he wants to use nuclear weapons. He wants to be remembered as a president who pushed the button. He’s a child, and he wants to play with all the toys
I hope he dies before he can do more harm
He’s also pathetically insecure, and history has traditionally looked back fondly at wartime leaders like Churchill and the like. He’s hoping for that
A key thing to note is that it’s normally defensive leaders that are looked back on fondly. Attacking another nation usually doesn’t give this boost, or at least not as significantly. Frequently it’s negative in fact.
He’s too stupid to understand this though, if this is his reason. I don’t think it is though. At best, it’s a distraction. At worst, and more likely, it’s an excuse to implement policies that expand his powers, and maybe to prevent elections from taking place.
I.have no.idea what they’d know.that isn’t public already. In the past I’d say the Epstein connection but that’s all public. What the fuck could be in the files we don’t know about?
Murder, rape, pedophilia directly linked to government.
Only half of the files have been released.
Not even half.
And text only thus far. The Epstein files aren’t emails, they are TERABYTES of CSAM and worse videos and pictures.
Iran also hates the US for past CIA fuckery that got them to their current policy nonsense
Them, and about 100+ other countries.
They don’t like the U.S. either, as they believe that they are an imperialist power that wants to take advantage of the Middle East. That is one reason that the United States deems Iran an enemy.
In 1953, the CIA and MI6 effectively ended representative democracy in Iran when they backed a coup d’etat that deposed Iranian prime minister Mohammed Mosadegh. Mosadegh had tried to audit the books of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (which later became a division of BP).
The 1953 coup resulted in the Shah of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, ruling autocratically and with heavy support from the United States. This status continued until 1979, when an Islamist revolution deposed the Shah and installed the Islamist government led by a clerical Supreme Leader that exists today.
In 2013, the CIA released declassified documents that showed that the CIA planned and carried out the 1953 coup using all kinds of abhorrent tactics, including bribery of public officials, astroturfed paid protesters, and false flag operations.
So hopefully that explains why the US is “the great Satan” to Iran, and why Iran keeps spouting “death to USA” rhetoric.
yup, anyone who seriously questions why so much of the world hates the US has nwver opened a history book. there are many many reasons, damn near all of them generally coming back to a sovereign nation trying to check the US’s extractive, unsustainable, capitalist-colonialism
Yes, I do know of the coup against the democratically elected Mosaddegh in favour of the autocratic Shah. Wow, the U.S. removing democratically elected leaders in foreign countries in favour of autocratic ones that support American business interests? I wonder how often that happened! (a lot, that is)
Note that America’s support for Israel has exist since pretty much when it was founded after the end of WWII by Britain, this certainly isn’t a new thing. As for the dislike of Iran, that has been a thing for ages too (see the coup against the democratically elected leader when they were against American business interests, Iranian revolution that propped up the new government and had Americans living in the embassy taken hostage by protesters)
This is way bigger than just Israel, most of the Gulf Arab states hate Iran and would love to see its government fall. They’ve been funnelling literally billions of dollars to the Trump family since just before he took office again. The Qataris, Emiratis, Bahrainis, and Saudis are all openly bribing Trump, and this attack is almost certainly at least partially, if not mostly, driven by their talks with Trump behind the scenes.
Pedolini’s boss netynahu has videos of him raping and killing children because Epstein was Mossad and Netanyahu has been trying to get the United States to attack Iran for 40 years. Israel is a settler colonialist project that is using pseudoscience and the political ideology of Zionism to annex land and commit genocide against the indigenous population. Israel’s imperial goal is to control most of the Middle East as an empire. They have bribed and blackmailed most of our politicians for decades and America is now going into deep debt to realize the “greater Israel project”. It is basically manifest destiny reborn
not to mention ehud barak was rapist , one of israeli former prime minsters.
It’s called an ally.
Please look up the definition of ally.
Jfc… Smh
How does that answer any of OP’s questions though? You haven’t answered either.
Do You Prefer Strategic Ally?
I think you’re just dumb or playing dumb. Either way, lol.
OP posed two main questions:
- why did Israel become an ally of USA
- why did Israel attack Iran right now
Saying that Israel is an ally answers neither. That’s information OP already came in knowing. Are you playing dumb?
Yes. I just act dumb. You are dumb.
We’re not the same.
There’s a complex set of reasons but my take is:
Trump needs a national emergency so he can implement restrictions on voting in November. He’s already cited election interference in 2020 and 2024 as the reason for the invasion. He will use this to issue executive orders banning mail in voting and to ensure ICE are present at polling booths.
Additionally, Trump is very easy to manipulate. If a couple of other leaders like Bibi and Putin said “hey everyone would think you were so amazing if you flattened Iran right now”, he would do that, 100%. Some people are saying that someone is blackmailing Trump because they have the unredacted Epstein files, but I don’t think you really need that to manipulate Trump.
Broad strokes explanations:
- USA likes Israel, a lot for some reason
The US like many other countries support the existence of the Jewish state. That’s a direct result of the Shoah. And then it got more complicated real fast. Wars, annexing the west bank, aggressive settlement and displacing the people who have lived there for ages, the Gaza wars, etc. - it makes it impossible to support it all.
- “Israel” attacks Iran. This whole thing is being done with the USA’s airplanes though.
No quotation marks necessary; this is a joint operation from everything I’ve read. The US has the biggest and most well equipped military force on this planet and does a lot of the heavy lifting.
Israel has a lot to fear from Iran. Iran has been a dick and has strong missile capabilities that they do not hesitate to launch at Israel, possibly overpowering their air defenses. Iran has funded and equipped lots of militias fighting Israel, like Hezbollah in Gaza.
Upon the mullah revolution, Iranians stormed the US embassy in Teheran, killed people and held another bunch hostage. The US became the #1 enemy of the Iranian regime. Between Israel and the US there is no love lost for the Iranian regime.
- What’s the logic here? Not just the conspiracy.
There is continued unrest in the country; the majority of the Iranian people are fed up with their government. The timing is right in so many ways. A weakened Iran, leaders who dgaf about international law, the need for the US and Israeli leaders to score a win. Also, elections held while at war have a tendency to cement the incumbents in power.
But why now?
Israel’s Netanyahu is under pressure for corruption and the war in Gaza. 47 is under pressure with failing approval ratings, Epstein, etc. A successful military operation can help both leaders improve their image for upcoming elections.
Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What’s the USA gaining here?
The world will be better without an Islamist authoritarian government in Iran. Israel and the US have already destroyed Iran’s nuclear weapons ambitions last year. The regime is on the ropes with unrest in the country. Israel is getting more secure if the mullahs fall. Unless you are a lover of Islamist fundamentalism or a stern believer in international law, there is nobody who is rooting for these bastards to stay in power.
Iran is also an enemy of the Saudis, another close ally of the US. The calculus would be that a newly liberal Iran, maybe even democratized, would be a stabilizing factor in that region.
The biggest problem is that since Germany in 1945 no regime change has worked.
Broad strokes, all of this. The whole truth is more verbose and nuanced.
how will the US support it’s many many gun factories and research if there is no war? Don’t forget a large part of american economy revolve around the war machine.
*its
It’s a part of an infinite proxy war between the USSR and their successors Russia and China, against the interests of the USA and Europe.
Iran is a puppet state for China, currently, and they provided weapons and funds for Hamas leading up to the October music festival attack and capture of hostages reigniting the war and consequently the Gaza Genocide. Previously the Russian backed Syria was also a key player but they collapsed recently due to civil war (revolutionaries partially funded by the USA and UK).
Israel is supposed to be the USA’s “puppet state” in the same vein, but tbh they’re so rogue and don’t fuckin listen on anything and they’ve got so much economic ties to Russia such as Abromovich steel and international distribution that they’re just a bad friend that the USA is stuck with because the second best friend they had in the region, Afghanistan, fell due to Trump incompetently releasing 5,000 Taliban fighters from US Custody, and number 3 is Iraq and the USA spent a long time waging war in Iraq for virtually no reason due to Bush incompetence and oil executive greed but I guess we’re sort of cool for now.
The USA and NATO often cooperate with Saudi Arabia as a way to fight extremism in the region, though they’re not US allies and they are often much more aggressive than the USA are in their tactics.
Basically, the cold war isn’t over.
Oh, and, forgot to mention the “why right now” part. Yeah, so, Iranians were revolting against their leaders like a month ago because of famine and drought hitting the region. Now’s just the perfect time to strike.
Riots that were encouraged by US actors in the region to destabilise and give this excuse
It’s an old play by the yanks, but it has worked more than once
Was the starvation also staged? Has the USA been running Iranian Economic and Agricultural planning in secret for years? Was Climate Change all a ploy in order to put pressure on Iran?
Those devious masterminds!
I didn’t say that it was staged
Capitalising on a problem is much easier than creating one
But I think you already know that and are being disingenuous
Or, you’re stupid
For a long while after the Iraq debacle, I was predicting that Iran would be next, and it just kept not happening.
I guess even the right-wingers of the time were too level-headed to want to open that can of worms.
Heck, even Trump didn’t go there during his first term. I had accepted that I had been wrong.
So, of course, this time, the crazy old narcissist has gone and done it.
(This reads like I feel like I could have done something to prevent it. I know I couldn’t, I’m just some random guy, but I still feel like I took my eye off the ball.)
I’ve been predicting Iran as the real target since the first gulf war
People forget that the only reason Iraq wasn’t wiped out in the war with Iran in the eighties was US backing
American troops were confused to find Iraqi soldiers with US weapons, they forget their history so quickly
If you want a very good in depth answer: https://youtu.be/7y_hbz6loEo
The gist of it is that the USA, KSA, and Israel all want Iran’s current government to be toppled as they are a direct military/economic/political threat.
What’s the logic here? Not just the conspiracy. But why now? Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What’s the USA gaining here?
Israel is an ethnostate so they do ethnostate things, which means constantly attacking anyone they view as “not us”. Iran happens to be on the top of that list after Israel’s former enemies, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, and KSA were passified via the US or Britain.
The US and KSA also want to secure their oil regime, and now that Venezuela is dealt with, Iran is next.
Why does the USA love Israel so much?
They have a significant economic and military investment in Israel, and many of those Israeli billionaires are a part of AIPAC, which successfully lobbies the US to do what they want.
A bonus is Christian zionism which reinforces the idea that Israel must exist to cause the second coming of christ, or the messiah for the Jewish zionists.
Don’t forget when you have retarded Republicans and an Alt right religious nutcase or the Button administration you get some very crazy people. Remember God is a good motivator for these people to rationalize raping children. They don’t care about God’s message their own delusion is fueling it. Similar to ISIS levels of crazies.
That “some reason” is their governments are the same entity. Israel is the USA and vice versa. This is essentially why Iran attacked USA military bases, not because the USA also attacked them. Both entities share the unashamed tendency to expand as an empire, against international law. Israel sees Iran as their only real menace close to them. Imagine China in Central America. Why now? That’s Trump and the Epstein case variable. What gains the USA? They are loosing all kinds of influence against China and Russia, they are trying to regain hegemony through oil and the dollar.
You’d be amazed at what a cabal of pedophiles will do to protect their secrets.
The word is horrified, but yes.
