i’m a firefighter. seen a few of these “slams into a taller object like a bus or rig…” and that pickup is very lucky if he lived. i am glad to see that hug. and calm walk to the scene too. guy was smart.
That’s not a “full size” truck, that’s a pickup truck, like the article headline and the url say.
A full-size truck is defined by the automotive industry as a quarter-ton or heavier that remains roughly within the same body size as a quarter ton. They typically have higher payload ratings, accepting upwards of 2,000 lb in the bed, and also larger towing capacities, upwards of 10,000 lb.
So an F-150 is a full-sized truck. An F-350 is also that, but an F-450/550 is considered a heavy duty truck as it is markedly larger. But a Ram 1500 and 2500 are also full-sized trucks, as is the Chevy Silverado and the Toyota Tundra.
Conversely, the Ford Ranger is NOT a full-sized truck because it is physically smaller and cannot officially carry/tow that kind of a payload. Neither would the Toyota Tacoma or any of the Mazda B-series trucks.
So a Dodge Ram - as it appears in the video - is most definitely a “full sized truck” as defined by the automotive industry.
The full-size Ram 1500 pickup faces an uncertain future in 2007 as rising fuel prices and a shift to smaller cars threaten to curtail last year’s brisk sales momentum
Today I learned something new about pick up trucks. I’ll change my complaint to: that’s a dumb marketing term and there’s no need for the title of this post to be so different from the headline of the article.
Dodge Ram = Drunk driver
Should have Dodged instead of Ramming.
Where is this list from?
I like the data but the only result that I could find looks wildly different – https://insurify.com/car-insurance/insights/car-models-most-duis/
But it also looks like a different X-Axis…“DUIs per 1000 drivers” vs “Drivers per 1000 with one or more DUI citations on their record”. So the one I found could be counting multiple DUIs differently.
Still, interesting if true.
I searched for vehicles with highest rates of DUI which put Dodge Ram at #6, then just searched for trucks with highest rate of DUI and it pooped up as a source on Google’s ai overview.
Now I’m even more confused. The graph says cars and you say trucks…but the Audi A4 and BMW 4- and 7-Series are all sedans. I don’t think I’d call the WRX a truck either.
You have a good point, I don’t think I’ve ever seen the Subaru WRX with a bed on it. We’re moving it to prevent further confusion.
Definitely holds true in Alberta, and every stupid inbred fuck drives a big truck up here. But those driving Rams are especially fried. Beyond saving, to be honest.
My former neighbour (God rest his mullet) drove not only a white Dodge Ram, but wore matching white Dodge Ram sunglasses to boot. Anyway… His girlfriend kicked him out of the house last autumn and as a result, a giant skeleton decoration got left up in their yard all winter long.
Mullet and white Dodge Ram glasses? That’s Canadian special white trash.
Fuckin A, bud…
They have called them DWI Cadillacs since I was in high school. That is thirty plus years ago.
My dad made drunk driving look so easy in his Dodge Ram.
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It’s because they just and out driving licenses in the US. There’s no respect because they got the licence between clasa periods back when they were 16.
They didn’t have to work for it.
Dumbass too big american car smashes into a dumbass american bus that is so high up that a dumbass american car that’s too large can get under it.
Imagine if that was a smaller car. 100% decapitation.
obvious troll is obvious
That would be easily solved with a Mansfield bar, should be mandatory on buses that high.
Correct! That’s the cheap option at least.
The expensive solution is to reduce the mass of the passenger vehicle and lower the bus. Maybe even put the engine of the bus in the back.
Ok be real, we’re taking about the USA here, they’re not going to reduce the mass of anything.
Certainly not shootings.
Lol
The bus is tall for two main reasons. First, to avoid getting high-centered on bumps. Since the rear wheels are fairly far forward on the bus, and the tail sticks out behind them so far. There’s a lot of vertical travel whenever the bus goes over bumps, like a lever arm being moved up and down. Notice that on a semi trailer, the wheels are near the very back of the trailer. But on a bus, the rear wheels are only about 3/4 back. This means that the tail of a bus can land on top of a steep hill (lifting the rear wheels off the ground, and effectively immobilizing the entire bus) if the tail is too low.
“Just move the rear wheels back, so the tail won’t land on anything” I hear some people starting to reply. Except that would inevitably prevent the bus from making necessary turns. Busses need to be able to fit into residential areas to pick up and drop off kids. Residential areas tend to have narrower streets, more street parking, and tighter turns. Semi trailers don’t need to fit into those smaller side streets, and are okay with a wider turn radius. So semi trailers are able to keep the wheels way back at the end of the trailer. But since a bus needs to be able to fit into those tighter residential areas, they need to have the wheels set closer to the front of the bus, so they can make those tighter turns.
Lastly (and I’d argue, most importantly), lowering the bus or reducing the mass would increase the risk to the kids inside of the bus. By allowing the car to slide under the bus, a lot of the kinetic energy is distributed vertically, (picking up the tail of the bus and pushing the rear-ending vehicle down) instead of directing it into crumpling the back of the bus. Because the back of a bus has very little room for crumple zones. The back seats are essentially right up against the rear wall of the bus. If you lower the bus and expect it to crumple, you’re going to crush kids. And a pragmatic engineer could easily argue that the design shouldn’t intentionally shatter twenty kids’ femurs just to save one negligent driver’s life.
Modern school bus designs are basically the culmination of engineering for a very specific set of requirements: 1) keep kids safe, 2) be able to fit into residential areas so the bus can pick up/drop off near the kids houses (which helps keep them safe), and 3) avoid getting high-centered on anything. And “keeping people who rear-end it safe” wasn’t on the list of requirements. A Mansfield bar at the back of the bus would defeat at least one of those requirements, by making high-centering much more common. The needs of the many (the kids) outweigh the needs of the few (the rear-ender) in this case.
Tell me you have ADHD without telling me you have ADHD.
You’re 100% correct BTW.
Much text = smart. Must be the ADHDs.
Have you never been outside the US?
This is an explanation why the dumbass bus is shaped like it is, not whether it’s safer thaan the conventional bus designs, that the rest of the world uses.
Saying this can’t get over bumps or make tight turns is just being stuck up your own ass.
The US has busses like that too. They drive bus routes that keep them on the main roads, instead of going into all the residential backroads and side streets where they would get stuck. Do you think buses just drive whatever route they want, without any forethought? Actual planning goes into that route, not just for getting people from A to B, but also for ensuring the bus is physically able to fit. And school busses simply use different dimensions, to be able to expand their potential routes.
Wait, are you saying the US roads are too narrow for that type of bus?
The US just cannot use a metric bus! It’s not compatible!
Thank you for not giving a brain dead response. I saw so many people arguing for things that would get hundreds to thousands of kids killed.
Thank you for giving a braindead response whithout having a slightest clue what you’re talking about.
As i said in another comment, busses intentionally Doo not have Mansfield Bars so a vehicle rear ending the bus goes under instead of transferring all of the force of the impact into the bus.
As I said in another comment the american bus design is dumbass to begin with.
A Mansfield bar would still prevent decapitation on mild rear-end situation with a smaller car.
We are all personally responsible for the design of our vehicles so thank you for pointing that out we’ll bring it up at the next meeting
Yeah, busses carry people, not cargo.
If someone is dumb enough to not see the giant yellow thing covered in flashing lights and crash into it they deserve to eat steel.
Dumbass american take 🦅
Go take your angry ass back to reddit, begone bus-obsessed weirdo who must comment upon every comment.
I’d rather be bus-obsessed than say that “if you make a mistake, you deserve to die”
I’m okay with being a weirdo in the eyes of an american. I’ve seen what you worship.
Btw, I’m not the one who’s posting about reddit on Lemmy, so that’s a bit of a self-own on your part.
Imagine if the bus was smaller.
Imagine if the two kids inside ths bus were seated in back.
The 100% decapitation is a bit outrageous. That isn’t true. Even in rural areas, school buses do not stop in places where there is any risk of a highway speed collision. Which also lowers the risk of death anyone in a smaller car.
And there are reasons beyond them being built on medium duty truck chassis, that in the US school buses sit that high. Part of the idea is, that if the bus gets rear ended, whatever hits you get deflected down and under the bus. This makes an accident much less likely to injure passengers in the back.
You’ve just watched a video of it happening, and you tell me “that doesn’t happen”
I understand the idea, I’m saying it’s a dumbass idea. Might have worked in 1940s when the “school bus” was designed, but it has no place in today’s world.
The whole idea “if I’m in a tank, I’m safe, I don’t care about the cars under me” is the exactly ass-backwards thinking that leads to the ridiculous “trucks” being so popular in the US.
You seem incapable of wanting to think past your nose. And do not want to consider why something is designed the way it is. You just want to be outraged and hate on something and someone. This conversion is at an end.
“Nuh-uh” is not a very good counter-argument.
Think about how many people are typically on a school bus, compared to a a car which likely has just one occupant.
Did you born fucked or did mama hit you silly?
“Did you born”. Intelligence of an american dumbass car that’s too big owner.
american dumbass car that’s too big owner
oof, you just couldn’t stick the landing. being unfamiliar with a dialect is no reason to mock it.
Right, can you believe the utter audacity of these uncultured bigots. To insult what they have not yet witnessed for them selves. For shame.
from which dialect is “did you born” ?
Did your mama orphaned you, when you was littles cause I hearded it from her. :)
She orphaned me with a stick I tell you
The dialect of where education is illegal. The red bits.
fuck if i know, i don’t know it either. there are a shitton of dialects tho. How general or specific do you want to get? I’m only an amateur linguist so like, that’s the quality you’re getting here dude
You state it’s a dialect, yet can’t name the dialect?
I’m perfectly ok with mocking someone because of how they write, especially after a comment that is just an ad hominem attack.
I was born, by my mother. She had to bear me. I did not bear. Nor did I born.
of course i can’t name the dialect. most dialects don’t have names. don’t be dense
So how can you state it’s a dialect and not a grammar mistake?
What’s the difference between a dialect and lack of education of English language & grammar?
common usage
I read or was told at one point as a kid that that was an intentional feature on busses- they made the floor that high on purpose to make them safer for the occupants- instead of a rear collision hitting the frame head on eith their grill, and transferring all that momentum to the occupants, they were hitting the bus with their windshield/ chasis, and, much of the force that did transfer would be pushing the bus up because they were going under it like a wedge
They didn’t count on a society so absolutely idiotic that they would make trucks practically as high as a school bus deck legal for people to drive without a special licence and express, present purpose.
The goal of safety design of vehicles is to dissipate as much energy as possible, at no expense to one or the other side.
This is still a rather mild accident of a pasanger vehicle rear-ending a bus. But it’s made so much worse simply because of both-sided idiotic vehicle designs.
Most of the world realised that and rectified it rather qucikly.
One car getting under another car is never the “safe” solution.
Are you talking about ideal safety design, or American design IRL?
Because weve been in a weight and height arms-race for decades explicitly because whoever weighs more and is higher is safer, at the expense of the other vehicle.
The cars I’m talking about are far from ideal. Ideal cars would look awful, and since, “for some reason”, we’re very touchy about what a car should look like, it’s a shape of an inefficient, unsafe brick.
But yes, the issue is the arms race, as you’ve put it. And it’s starting to infect Europe as well, so education on vehicle safety is paramount.
Vechicle safety is not “as long as I’m in a tank - I’m safe, and that’s all that matters”. (This is not aimed at you)
I don’t know, the bus has a lot more mass than most cars - even in a bumper to bumper collision they should come out pretty well
A normal car doesn’t have a bumper to bumper collision with a schoolbus. My car would have a bumper-to-headrest collision at that speed.
You’re assuming a perfectly rigid system. The school bus has a lot of mass in front of the rear wheels and under the hood. But behind the rear wheels, it’s basically just aluminum sheeting bolted onto the frame, and children sitting in seats, packed in like sardines. That means the mass at the front of the bus is actually working against you, because you run the risk of sandwiching all of the kids at the back of the bus. If the tail of a school bus crumples, you’ve just shattered 20 kids’ femurs and the fire department is going to spend the next 6 hours cutting them all out of the wreckage. The ideal method is to direct as much energy away from crumpling the frame as possible. And the best way (aside from adding a cow-catcher wedge to the back of the bus, to fling them off to one side or the other) is by turning it into vertical force that lifts the tail, instead of crumpling directly into it.
Hey let’s explore the cowcatcher idea. Could you design it so the texting rear-rear-enders to a sick barrel roll?
How about A giant ramp so they get launched right over the bus like Evel knievel!
Exactly, would you rather an accident kill a dozen innocent students or 1-2 dumbass(es) who rear ended a bright yellow bus.
Or, you know, kill 0 people, in the normal world.
It’s not that it’s a hot take it’s just not how things fucking work lol
This is the normal world.
I have some bad news for you, kid…
hold on what was the social credit score of the children
None of them have created any shareholder value yet!
Wonder what the reason was. Messing with a phone?
As he (lets face it, this is most defenatly a he) is not even trying to break, and the school bus is as visible as ang objext can be I assume he was not looking at the raid. Telephone would be my guess as well
Yep. Big-ass brodozer truck almost guaranteed to be a guy. The sun is behind them so not blinded by that. There aren’t too many excuses other than OUI (medication or otherwise) or messing with a phone.
He had 2 kids on board too. What an insane piece of shit
That dad coming out, seeing that, then giving his son a hug was probably the most relieved he’s ever been in his life.
Someone in the comments said the speed limit is 40.
The stupid school buses in my area stop on the road with 55mph speed limit when it would take an extra 15 seconds to turn into the neighborhood with 30mph speed limits. I’m surprised this exact wreck hasn’t happened yet.
i don’t doubt the safety hazard it creates. when i was a kid, all it took was a concerned parent going to the school board asking [why the school bus stop was on the 55 road with no sidewalk and no street lamp when it could be around the corner on the 25 road with a sidewalk and a street lamp] for them to move it. the parent was my neighbor who has some kind of dog rescue thing going on i’m not sure i don’t understand, she was so proud of that victory she’s still talking about it.
Horribly unsafe for the kids too, I guess none of the parents around here are concerned.
my point was for you to be that parent dude
I don’t have kids, I’m only concerned about my safety on that road.
There’s still probably someone at the school I could contact though.
Sounds like the speed limit should be lowered to 30 on the road with the school bus stops
Yes I want to drive 20 miles at 30mph when they could just take a few extra seconds to pull into the neighborhood.
Ah yes, stupid school buses. Not stupid road design or stupid speed limit. Wouldn’t want the idea that people live and commute on a road to get in the way of traffic.
Fucking /s
Don’t get me wrong, we need more buses. The cluster fuck of SUV traffic at the school is even worse, but they shouldn’t be stopping traffic on a busy 55mph road.
That’s a good dad right there.
came here to upvote dad
Well one of them.
A hug being the immediate first reaction is nice yeah <3
And second reaction: go see and help.
A most decent person.
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Though what are the odds he initially said to the youth “you’ll never leave this place” before going to loot 4 PBJ sandwiches in the wrecked bus
I felt the relief in that hug, just by watching it. What a real one.
Also debris barely missed the kid’s head, what a near miss on many levels.
That truck didn’t even attempt to brake. Driver asleep? Or too busy reading Twatter on his phone?
Following too close on Instagram.
You can hear the brakes being applied right before impact. Way too late, way too fast. Definitely phone.
I’ve been rear-ended twice, and both times heard the other cars brakes just long enough before the impact to think “oh shit”… I can’t imagine what a school bus driver would think in this situation given all the kids…
Ugh I’m sorry D: I’ve been rear ended quite a few times, it’s awful. Only one car was fully destroyed, and I told my passenger “that car is gonna hit me”. 10 seconds later, BAM. Another time was low-impact, kid on his phone. Another time a crazy tweaker guy was driving nuts, hit me, and tried to run. I chased him down and he wanted me to get out of my car to look at the back of my car… I told him I’d wait for the authorities and he got in his car and sped off. He definitely was going to attack me if I got out. Wild stuff.
Probably automated driver assistance breaking. Lots of new vehicles will do that when they sense an imminent crash.
Those trigger way earlier.
Those safety features are really inconsistent though.
My car sometimes thinks I try to crash into cars parked at the roadside and starts screaming at me. The moment the alarm starts I’m like 10m away from the parked car at most, and then the breaks didn’t even engage.
My work van has trouble with fir trees when backing up. I assume somwthing about the mass of multiple ones in a row swaying together or somwthing makes it think its closer. But like 3 on 10 times it will auto brake at 20 feet and wont let you go any further. the easiest solution is for the passenger to hop out an stand behind the van, so it can tell how far away he is.
Agreed, to the point of ridiculousness.
I’ve had the same thing happen multiple times. I’ve been hit three times while being stationary in traffic, it really sucks and there is essentially nothing you can do about it. I’ve seen it coming each time in the rear view and just said “oh shit!”.
After watching too many dash cam videos where this happens, I’ve started using my hazards when I’m stopped at the tail of traffic on a fast road. I don’t know if it really helps but it could and at least it’s an attempt to be more visible
I had a coworker who was permanently and severely disabled in a situation like this.
He was stopped at a red light behind a few other cars. Someone not watching the road plowed into him at 40-45mph, pushing his car into the one in front of him. Brown back, broken teeth, don’t remember what else other than that it was a lot. He was in the hospital for weeks.
Now I’m extra careful to leave some space between the car in front of me and mine when stopped, but even that can only help so much when you’ve got people driving around in heavy trucks like this.
I had that same thing happen but the car was going faster according to the police, the guy didn’t even break just hit be going 55 or so. I had I not borrowed my fiance’s far which was much safer than mine I’d have been in a similar position to your coworker. The entire back half of the car looked like a metal flower from the way it crumpled.
OK, I had not had audio on, so I did not notice that. There was no noticable deceleration, though.
The “too fast” part depends on local regulations and his real speed before applying the brakes. Someting that can be determined from the video.
Because it’s an overweight truck with chunky tires useless on asphalt, the ABS engaged.
Did anyone get hurt? I don’t wanna watch of anyone did
2 adults and 4 children were hurt according to the article, no one life threatening. None of the injured are visible in the video.
Ask yourself why you don’t need a seatbelt on a bus. Then you know why physics dictates that the driver of that truck is probably very dead and the children are probably mostly scared.
Tldr: there is a massive difference in mass, its like the truck driving full speed into a wall.
You do realise the thing under the video is a “source link”, and takes you to a website where there is more information on the crash?
So no need to speculate, the drivers of both vehicles went to the hospital for apparently minor injuries, as did 2 children from either vehicle.
Thanks. Read that later, you are correct and I’m happy they are all fine. :)
Bigger problem with no belts is bus driving into wall. Or another bus. Or rolling. Or hitting a bump that launches kids into the ceiling.
But yes, generally it’s safer due to a few things related to their mass. Primarily, conservation of momentum and material strength/crumble physics. A truck or car in motion suddenly transferring that energy to a bus is going to have that energy distributed over a much larger mass, meaning the bus moves much less quickly. It also has more material to crumble and absorb the impact, making the collision more inelastic, distributing kinetic energy into deforming the metal instead of pushing the bus and occupants forward. Accordingly, it doesn’t increase acceleration as quickly as you might expect which is what causes injury (the rate of change in acceleration is called ‘jerk’, btw, which is a pretty accurate name in collisions).
The truck driver also benefits from the crumble of both vehicles reducing the kinetic energy, a bit. But his vehicle has a lot less material to crumble before that material includes his organs. That’s also assuming the vehicle isn’t short enough to have the front end slip under the bus’s bumper leaving their face to absorb the impact.
Also school buses are designed to put the kids very high up off the ground. The video is a good example of how, even with an outrageously tall truck, hitting a schoolbus will do damage primarily to its undercarriage. The engine block of the truck was well below the school bus seats at time of impact.
You’d think a bus would be tall enough to get inside the vision cone of a lifted truck…
It would be, but his cell phone blocked it.
Something similar happened to me years ago. Our bus stop was infront of a fire station but just after a turn in the road. There were about 15 of us kids waiting for the bus. The bus comes around the corner and we all go pick up our back packs and form a line to get on the bus. I was front of line. The bus stops, puts on lights and the little stop sign on the side goes out. The doors open and I go to step on the first step and hear something. I look behind the bus and see a garbage truck doing everything it can to stop but rams into the back of the bus.
Luckily we were the first stop, no kids on board, only person was driver. The entire back of the bus crumpled but the driver was ok as well as the garbage truck driver. I heard later there driver claimed he was covering another person’s route and didn’t know there was a bus stop there. He came around the corner but the heavy garbage truck was just unable to stop quick enough when he saw the bus. This was I think 2001 so he wasn’t on a cell or anything like that and he wasn’t drunk or something.
If it was 10 seconds later I probably would be on the bus at the time and would not be alive to post this message.
infront
Not a word, my dude.
So what exactly was the driver fucking around with in the cab? Because they sure as fuck weren’t watching the road.
Unless the driver was in the middle of having a medical emergency at the wheel, they are 100% at fucking fault and should be banned from driving for life, assuming they survive.
Definitely the phone.
As someone who is on the road daily for work. He was on the phone. People are fucking insane. The latest “trend” i saw was that people in new-ish cars use their phone for navigation and the double din screen to watch tv shows or movies. The other day i was in a traffic jam. It was quite a big one. Like no one was moving for minutes. The 40 something lady next to me was just rolling back and forth like 4 or 5 meters, not even looking up once. She didn’t stop, didn’t turn off the car, just rubbing the clutch for minutes, reving their car. Absolutely insane
Years ago I was driving on Lincoln drive in Philly and there was someone looking at chest X-rays on a tablet while they were driving.
I’m hoping it was a patient and not a radiologist catching up on their reading…or a surgeon prepping for the morning’s first surgery.
Lincoln drive in Philly is a twisting, winding road. The speed limit is 25 mph, and you rarely encounter anyone going less than 50.
This was pre-pandemic, and in my estimation drivers have gotten exponentially worse since then.
I literally seen that. I fucking honk my horn and pointed to the asshole on the freeway watching fucking video while driving. Fucking insane.
Family guy funny moments compilation w/ vertical scrolling rail shooter gameplay on the bottom no doubt
I already ranted about this ex once today, but what the hell. He’s such a shit driver that I can share more.
This guy loved podcasts. We’d listen to some together when we drove. But what bothered me was when he’d have a video podcast - he’d put it on his iPad and sit it up over his infotainment screen with the video playing. He insisted that it didn’t distract him, but I saw how often he glanced down at it. Hardly 10 seconds could go by without him looking over. Meanwhile, he’d be driving down the highway 70 mph.
That’s about when I told him that when he’s driving, I’d be holding the tablet. I wouldn’t be surprised if he kept doing it when I wasn’t around though.
JFC
Absolute insanity. I remember when my best friend got his license, like 24 years ago. He was the first of my friends to drive. Phones weren’t really a thing back tgen, but these full matrix car radios just came up, and he had one. I still remember like it’s yesterday when we were driving and he said: it’s kinda crazy, that you look at your radio and dial ome nubs and suddenly you are like 400 meters further without looking on the road, that shouldn’t be legal. And i thought: yeah, that is crazy. Boy, we had no idea back then
