• emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        18 days ago

        Actually the study says they prefer light stubble, which is impossible to have without shaving unless you’re 15. For that matter, how many women do you think would like a man with a beard or pubic hair that had NEVER been shaved? So women expect men to trim and groom their body hair at the very least, which is just as unnatural as shaving your legs.

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          18 days ago

          without shaving

          Trimmed, not shaved. Unless you are into women that are into prepubescent boys, you can get away with trimming once a week.

          So women expect men to trim and groom their body hair at the very least

          That’s not my experience. Ironically, the only negative response I got about body hair, was when I shaved it.

      • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe
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        18 days ago

        Interesting, and I’m frankly surprised by it.

        Still, there are women who don’t prefer it, which makes the point.

        Men and women have preferences, we can choose to accommodate that as we (as individuals) wish.

        No one holds a gun to anyone’s head and says “shave or else”.

        Fuck, what man is going to know it a woman shaves her legs unless he’s intimate with her anyway?

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          18 days ago

          Fuck, what man is going to know it a woman shaves her legs unless he’s intimate with her anyway?

          Do you live in Saudi Arabia or are you legally blind? Shorts exist.

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            18 days ago

            Unless the hairs are really thick and dark, outside of the average, those aren’t that noticable or at least it requires active focusing to look for those.

            Basically randomly walking on the street or just doing basic daily tasks and the difference is unnoticeable.

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              18 days ago

              Unless the hairs are really thick and dark, outside of the average

              Average for where? I never knew any girls in middle/high school that felt they could ‘get away’ without shaving their legs for more than a couple of days unless they were blonde. Even before I went on testosterone you could probably tell if I’d shaved from 20 yards.

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                18 days ago

                Location specific average, of course that changes based on location. Not that it’s bad, just that it’s noticable because it stands out from others. Like if everyone were to wear black clothes and one person wears red, they would stand out. But different shades of dark grey or even just darker colors, would be unnoticeable difference.

                Even before I went on testosterone you could probably tell if I’d shaved from 20 yards.

                But that was the point, unless actually focusing and looking for it. It’s completely unnoticeable from that far away. Unless far away from the average, maybe up to the level of average guy, though even that would require actual focusing on the person and then specifically their legs.

                So the other person had a point. It becomes noticable only when fully focusing on the other person and specifically their body at which point it has to be a rather intimate situation.

                Why else would you give that much specific attention to other person?

      • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe
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        18 days ago

        Really? I had no fucking idea.

        The point that you completely glossed over is that women have preferences, some like facial hair some don’t.

        So men have or don’t shave their faces accordingly (or according to what they prefer).

        That’s all. Go ahead and get up on your cross now because women shave because men somehow make them.

        If some unknown man can make you do something, you have a problem.

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          18 days ago

          The point that you completely glossed over is that women have preferences, some like facial hair some don’t.

          We’re talking about society treating leg hair on women as abnormal. If you want to see if there’s a societal double standard there then you need to ask how society looks at men’s legs, not their faces.

          So men have or don’t shave their faces accordingly

          If some unknown man can make you do something, you have a problem

          lol?

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      18 days ago

      Surely you need to be living in a cave to not see the asymmetry there though. On men facial hair is unattractive for half of women and very attractive for other (making up the stats). On women leg hair is perceived as unattractive for all but most people.

      A man which has a stubble, when going out, does not generally think “shit I should shave otherwise everyone will look at me with disdain”. While a women going to swimming but realizes that she has not shaved her legs will generally feel ashamed thinking she will be seen as “not taking care of herself”.