As an American myself, I’ve asked several people this question. No one seems to know why either. Is it strategic position in the world? I don’t think they have anything the US can exploit besides that really. Am I missing something? Political arguing aside what exactly is the motivation? Thanks for any explanations.
The US is a global arms manufacturer with a democracy attached, if there wasn’t an Israel to prop up the US would find something similar and arm it to the hilt.
The US Military Industrial Complex gets to remind everyone why it’s a superpower, it gets to make and sell it’s weapons, survialiance tech, etc, it keeps it’s opponents weak and desperate but armed such that there is always fear to keep selling the forever war (both to the US, but also ton Israelis (and to a lesser extent to Jewish people living elsewhere)), by political maneuvering it gets to police feespeach.
liberals/conservatives get to feel like they are not racist because they support a minority led country, who many don’t consider white in that context.
If it wasn’t Israel it could be a different proxy state in the middle East or maybe Africa/Asia.
IMO it has very little to do with Jewishness and a lot more to do with geopolitics, yes they use the Holocaust for propoganda 🤢, but they don’t give a fuck about Holocaust survivors. Also and this is small compared to committing genocide, but they’ve redefined the Holocaust to exclude all of the non-jewish victims which were historically included as recently as a decade ago in common usage of the term (e.g what I learnt in school, what was on Wikipedia, etc)
with a “democracy” attached
Israel has its own military industrial complex. It’s an even bigger portion of their economy. They’re a very high tech nation. ICQ, the predecessor of AOL Instant Messenger, was invented in/by Israelis.
True, I don’t like the term globalist as it’s too often abused, but the fuckers profiting from these arms companies can live anywhere and don’t give fuck about either country beyod their ability to capture the governments and sell them weapons & tech.
There are stronger bonds between arms manufacturers regardless of nationality than those arms manufacturers and the people of the country the company is “based in”.
Without the US pumping all our tax dollars into it they wouldn’t have the money for universal healthcare, free college and unlimited war and genocide
Are you sure about that?
Looks like the US gives Israel about $3B per year.
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-military-aid-does-the-us-give-to-israel/
Versus Israel’s GDP of about $700B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel
I think the main form of aid is the access to US weapons and technology and that’s largely about subsidizing the US defense industry. I think I read somewhere that US aid to Israel is literally sometimes in the form of vouchers/coupons they have to spend on weapons/defense tech.
That’s not to say we shouldn’t cut off that aid when it’s used to commit atrocities. Just saying get the facts straight.
We’ve given them over 30billion in cash and military equipment since January 1st. Trump literally bypassed congress to gift them a new fleet of fighter jets. We shouldn’t be paying them jack shit because they obviously are doing better according than us to you
I have a possible explanation that goes into religious themes and geopolitics from a perspective not many people should understand… one where it’s believed (and proven) Vicarius Filii Dei = 666 in a form of Latin numerology not used anymore.
Historicists (people like myself) believe that the Jesuits set this up as a means to get people obeying the Antichrist Beast Popes of Rome (taking the Mark of the Beast on the right hand through actions), and of course, revering him as well (taking the Mark of the Beast on the forehead).
Why this context? The Jesuits were the ones who started Israel (this fake 1948 version), since a retired Jesuit Superior General (False Prophet to the Pope) went the Jerusalem in Occupied Palestine to control the upcoming wars (including WWIII, which we seem to be in right now). Zionism was created by the Jesuits using a yes man in Benjamin Herzl (he changed his name to Theodore to sound more Caucasian) back in 1898, where the first Zionist Congress was held. On top of that, this is practically the same as socialism, fascism, and communism. Think of Zionism as fake Khazar Judean socialism (a form of national socialism before Hitler).
This is some crazy I was not prepared to read today.
Those who always downvote me seem to admit that I’ve spoken truth to light.
Some proof of that is here (Invidious link): https://inv.nadeko.net/@EndTimesDeceptions
There’s tons of proof this man has, and he even studied the Scriptures for over a decade.
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a demon” is a truly wild take. I ask you to step outside your perspective for a moment and think critically about the circular and recursive nature of your argument.
If I agree with you, its because youre right.
If I change my mind, its because youre right.
If I dont agree with you, its because I’m infected with demons, and youre still right.
There is no room for discussion here, you are just preaching.
Did you not notice my wording? I said some, implying not all of them are demon infested.
If anything, nice damnation of the source.
since a retired Jesuit Superior General (False Prophet to the Pope) went the Jerusalem in Occupied Palestine to control the upcoming wars
Lmao is the crux of all this that a retired Jesuit visited Jerusalem?
I’m sure no one else visited Jerusalem during this time and I can’t think of any other possible reason a member of a Christian religious order would visit Jerusalem.
I’m guessing the fact that Israel was created by Britain, which hasn’t been Catholic since 1558, in no way presents an obstacle to your conspiracy theory. The idea of Jesuit priests infiltrating British parliament and controlling things behind the scenes is immensely funny to me. They wish, lol.
The real reasons both for Israel’s creation and the US’s support are material. The Middle East is full of oil. The US (and UK) want oil. It’s literally that simple.
Britain turned Catholic in 1669 at the hands of King James II. They were always Catholic, yet Anglicanism is basically British Catholicism.
So you believe that the Jesuits are secretly coordinating with the Church of England, which is the true political power in Britain?
This is some fascinating worldbuilding.
AIPAC political donations to lawmakers and politicians. They’re the second largest lobby contributor and influence politicians for Israel.
They’re responsible for the idea behind the Evangelical salvation end days propaganda that induces people to think a war in Israel will bring on apocalypse and rapture.
Evangelicals look forward to the rapture. I’ve been to a lot of Evangelical churches, and, without exception, they want it to come.
That’s my point.
You communicated that part badly, your comment looks like you are saying it’s false and the only reason people believe Evangelicals want that is because of AIPAC.
Do you mean the rapture of -99, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011(sure this time), 2013 (I mean 13, right?!!), 2014, …
Well yeah, if that comes then they’re proven right and they get to go to heaven while all the “bad” people stay here.
Who funds AIPAC is probably a better question.
We do. The US government gives billions of dollars to Israel, who in turn launders that back into AIPAC and into our politicians pockets. Sure, there are other donors like Miriam Adelson, but she can’t fund the entire government (even though it takes as little as $10,000 to get a politician to change their vote.)
I imagine the us government can’t fund its own candidates and so has to go this route?
The US government has legalized bribery in the form of Political Action Committees, aka “PACs”. Each PAC is a special interest group that contributes to a politician in order to help get them elected. The PAC then expects an ROI - return on investment - for the money they contributed to the campaign. The ROI usually comes in the form of shilling for said special interest.
To add fuel to the fire, when Citizens United was overturned in 2010, it allowed dark money to be invested into campaigns. This shit was so significant, that I can actually remember where I was when I heard about it and can still feel the echos of dread. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/citizens-united-explained
This country is fucked. No politician will ever vote to repeal that. Why would they? The amount of money they receive from it would make Scrooge McDuck blush.
jeees you love a religious conspiracy fantasy eh
the jews needed a place to go and palestine had loads of land for sale
the rest is history
WTAF is wrong with you?
If Jewish people have a “Right to exist,” do Palestinians? If not, then where should they go?
People have a right to exist, but states do not. States change. Does Ukraine have a right to exist? They used to be a part of the USSR and were solidly inside those boundaries. Is Russia’s incursion into their sovereign territory lawful?
Where do you draw the line? Who gets to exist and who gets to die? What about the children who were born there? Do you just say, “woops, you suck because I hate your parents. die, babies.”
The future is not history and you are a Zionist prick.
There are obviously a lot of reasons - one I haven’t seen mentioned here yet is that they’re our only real ally in the region and the best spies in the world; a combination that makes them incredibly attractive as “strategic partners” if the goal is to influence politics in a region you have very little other indirect methods of manipulating.
They’ve worked damned hard to make sure they’re in that position, too. Being invaluable to maintaining US influence in the middle east is the reason the US backs them militarily, and without that backing they’d get absolutely flattened by their neighbors. Thus the toxic symbiotic relationship you see today, with massive campaign contributions and influence operations from both sides designed to ensure they don’t ever lose that mutual support.
They were basically a hedge against USSR in the region for 50+ years. People forget that. Both powers were interested in carving up the world, and Middle East was one of the battlegrounds.
This is the answer as i understand it.
They’re a strategic partner.
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You forgot to write “zionists” instead of “jews”
It’s a friendly nation in an area where those are scarce, so being able to base military operations out of there is seen as a key strategic asset.
Not defending, just explaining.
Any country can be friendly. If they have an advantage to be your friend. Iran can be friendly to the usa and europe if they stop sanctionning them and stop supporting israel the only settler colonial power in the middle east
There is a difference between the friendliness between the west and Israel, which is based on a long history of alliance and a shared culture, and the friendliness between the west and other middle eastern states, which is understood to be based entirely on economic and strategic benefits. Even if sanctions on Iran were lifted and relations were normalized, they would likely occupy a similar “friendliness level” to that of Saudi Arabia. Willing trading partners - but keeping the west at arm’s length
There is a difference between the friendliness between the west and Israel, which is based on a long history of alliance and a shared culture
It is based on history of colonization and imperialism
I mean, would you prefer we bond better with the Saudis and Iranians over a history of religious fundamentalism and subjugating women? Because we can do that, too, if you’d prefer.
The hell is that bullshit. I will not play the game of who is worst although we all know who is . You simply do not become a friend with a settler colonial power trying to exterminate a population of 5 - 6 millions from the land . Your shitty country is already an ally of Saudi arabia too
I will not play the game of who is worst although we all know who is
lol
Of course you are going to ignore the part where that israel is genociding palestinians for 78 gpddamn year. The west is supporting Israel which is also a religious state because of imperialism and history of colonization that is a fact
Hey here’s an idea what if we don’t bond with any of them and give up this incredibly expensive and wasteful project of taking over the Middle East and instead spend that money on things like healthcare and green energy?
Not opposed. Lets do it
Yeah cause Saudi, qatar and UAE aren’t bending over backwards to lick the US dick …
Historically, the relationship between the US and Israel is far closer than others in the region. Everyone else are much more like fair weather friends. Intelligence between the two is highly integrated to a degree unseen outside of the closest US allies.
That’s a great point, Israel does seem like a bit of a financial burden these days though …
From a point of view of military strategy, the money is chump change.
The politicians are into it for the campaign donations.
The average citizen supports it because they generally still have a post-WWII mindset and are resistant to criticisms of Israel and conflate anti-Israeli sentiment with antisemitism which Israel encourages.
USA has the largest Jewish population outside of Israeli. And Jewish people are over-represented in media, government, and other leadership/power positions. They are also much wealthier. 55% of jewish households in USA make over 100K, only 19% of the general population does…
All of the most successful/influential people I have known in my life were Jewish, and very pro-Israel. The only Jewish people I have known who was critical of Israel was Israelis who were born there. American Jews seems to idealize it, like you said. Because they only go there for birthright and they believe they are a superior people.
I’ve commented before but I will again because I got a lot more answers than I was expecting. Thank you everyone so much, there is a ton of info that I’ve never heard or even considered.
I think it is the religious end of things; by that the Americans can tell themselves they are protecting god’s chosen people. So in a way they are doing god’s will.
Also money talks and the isreali lobby has lots of it.
ding ding ding, this is my exact thought, and I remember my ultra religious dad glazing israel while reading me the bible as a kid.
No thanks.
As someone who grew up religious, this is it. The people primarily voting maga into power are christians and they fervently believe Israel is right because they are god’s chosen. Religion has absolutely no place in politics or we end up in situations like this.
i think religion does play a huge part of this.
as well as all of its variants – the og books of the bible are centuries old and prone to a lot of interpretations.
apart from that, i believe it is the special interests, the money and their invitations of “pilgrimage” to israel.
Thank you so much for the thoughts, they all make sense.
The region is still very important from a geopolitical standpoint. As last months oil prices have shown.
Israel don’t have (m)any friends in the region. They are a reasonably stable democracy. This makes them a dependable ally. What would happen if there was a revolution in Saudi Arabia for example? Probably something similar to Iran 1979.
So having Israel as an ally is a huge multiplier in power projection in the region.
Why do you need to project power when it’s so expensive? It’s sort of what superpowers do. Meddle in the affairs of smaller countries to further their own goals. If not the US then Russia or China.
Religion
- There is one specific spot, Temple Mount/Dome of the Rock/Mount Moriah, that is the holiest (to Jews, Muslims and Christians) place on Earth. I can’t summarize everything, go read about it, its really interesting even if you’re not religious. Once you learn about it, you’ll be “holy shit, this will never get resolved”.
Geo-strategy
- Yes. It is right in the middle of two continents, Europe and Africa, and could be considered the gateway into Asia (from the West). After WWI, the Germans were defeated but so was the Ottoman Empire. The British filled that hole but after they got kicked around in WWII, their empire crumbled too. The Brits left Palestine and turned to the United Nations to leave some sort of “Western” influence in the area. United Nations made the 1947 partition map that created Israel and here we are (after a bunch of violence since then)
Your simple question has a simple answer. The answer is that different people and different companies have different reasons for supporting Israel.
Some people are racists, some people sell weapons, some people want money for their political campaigns, some of those groups overlap, etc.
So obviously the answer is that it depends who you’re talking about.
Israel is a neocolony that serves a vital strategic interest. The entire empire is held up by oil. Israel gives them say into how oil production is managed in the region. So many middle east countries feel inclined to play ball with the US because Israel exists. Anyone who sees the problem with this arrangement is strongly encouraged ($$$) to play ball also.
Because Israel supplied the US with orange juice during the Korean War.
