I personally do, he actually risked his life to release information about the government spying on people. And there are for sure more advanced ways now. Even your phone is listening.
I struggle with it. I know he needs an international ally to protect him, but running to Russia and having nothing to say about their bullshit comes across sour to me. I’m thankful, at least, for the information he provided.
Snowden had applied for asylum in Ecuador, he went to Russia for connecting flights to Latin America.
He couldn’t leave. Even the Bolivian presidential plane had to land in Austria after false rumors circulated that Snowden was aboard the aircraft.
He applied for asylum in dozens of other countries, but all of their leaders received threatening direct phonecalls from then vice president Biden. Putin was the only one who didn’t cave to American pressure, so Snowden had no choice but to stay in Russia
He didn’t run to Russia.
He had a layover in Russia to Latin America, and then the US canceled his passport.
The US trapped him in Russia.
That seems odd to me.
He was working in Hawaii so he takes a layover in Russia??
Something doesn’t smell right, even with how weird layovers can be.
He was in Hong Kong, selected because it wouldn’t raise any flags and he could hide.
Then he got help from some lawyers in WikiLeaks that tried to get him asylum in Latin America, so he had to get a layover in a country without an extradition treaty. That flight took him to Russia, but the US prevented him from catching the next plane because they canceled his passport and trapped him there.
do you know nothing of the incident. He was in asia for awhile and was trapped in russia because orgininally he did have a european destination but it became clear that was likely to get him extridated so it changed to south america. Granted the person you replying to calling it a layover to latin america was representing it kinda wierd so im thinking he may have limited recall on it. He was in hon kong for awhile.
Ah, I didn’t realize those were the circumstances — I assumed it was from wherever he was working at the time (I thought it was Hawaii but I could be wrong).
yeah I have no idea where he was working or was before hong kong. pretty much when it hit the news it was even guesswork of where he was but I know he was working with a group that moved him from home to home of trusted people.
I echo this. Russia is using him at the least…the most its been their game the whole time
…its been their game the whole time
The U.S. took his passport away as he was in transit, right when that happened (literally blame your own gov’t for this, it wasn’t his decision) he was getting a connecting flight in Russia. He’s since stayed there.
Crazy that you…think that Russia, what, had control of the American gov’t and got them to revoke his passport mid-flight? Is that what you’re getting at?
Where do you propose he should’ve gone instead?
Some protection from CIA/NSA should be available at that place.He was on his way to Ecuador
Finally we had a guy truthfully hollering that the sky was falling and, at the end of the day, no-one gave a shit.
Wtf are you talking about. Mass roll outs of encryption only came thanks to him
You’re both correct. There was a lot of changes after him thanks to him. But majority of people still don’t give a shit.
Agnotology, cha cha cha.
I just learned a new word, thanks!
That is good if true, but mass spying still happens and is practically accepted as normal part lf our lives. In fact it’s only getting more invasive by the day.
Online dragnet surveillance does happen. And, thanks to the Snowden revelations, we all now have tools to protect ourselves from it.
Using https on Facebook and using Signal for daily messages to your Mom are practically accepted as normal part of our lives.
I don’t think most people accept it exactly, they just don’t see any option to confront it, and are struggling with their material needs while being inundated with propaganda from every possible avenue, so it’s hard to be certain enough of anything to take action. Most people are afraid to fight against a system that could black bag them and drop them in the ocean if they wanted to. We have been told that we are under a complete panopticon and serious rebellion against it even if they don’t arrest you can cost your job, which usually means healthcare and stable housing for people in the US. The state and the rich firmly have their boot on our face.
Without a doubt I think he was a hero. We should build a statue to him at the NSA or Dell HQ - maybe both.
I got in trouble in school for putting free Kevin stuff on my binders, backpack, etc
Hero? From the stance of exposing things that should have been public knowledge, absolutely.
Kevin?
Yeah sorry Kevin Mitnick. Always supported this type of stuff… I guess I was missing the bridge there.
Kevin Mitnick?
They say he invented stairs
Everyone knows this, of course. Kevin Mitnick…
How could you get in trouble for that? Did you stand your ground and fight it?
Yes. You’re a bootlicker if you say otherwise
Exactly. I think FEDS are in here now. One dude was saying he isn’t a hero and a criminal, lol.
People should own their own shame they create based on their ability to compehend their actions… It should motivate their change anything else is kinky. You should not accept shame like a nasty little gift. criminal, was ist das? well sheet I am a criminal too… who isn’t? Straight Thuggin
Lol, gang gang.
What’s the point of asking for opinions if this is what you think of opinions different than yours.
Confirmation
An opinion based on falsities is not really an opinion, like a favourite color, or food and such.
it’s called no stupid questions, not no stupid answers 😂
This, a very good observation, lol!
If people post online they have to have tough skin. Being hidden from the mob you can have the base digest your ideas to see if you have holes in your takes. Negitivity should be welcomed if productive.
Are you American? It is angering what your government did to him. Did you actually put your real name on here? If so, that is also crazy. We can find so much just with a name. And it doesn’t matter where you are, when we have just a name.
Anonymous_Leaker == SBD - Silent but deadly 🤣
“What’s in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.”
A real name with a general location can do wonders.
A 2 day old account with that name immediately vague-threatening anyone who answers incorrectly to an opinion question?
The vibe is off
Nothing was threatening, that’s slander. Perhaps, it was misunderstood. I was just giving tips on what not to do. How about a fresh start?
I would argue that praising soldiers for their bravery and calling them heroes is a bootlicker thing to do.
hero is a useless word. it’s what you call someone to avoid having to do anything concrete to thank them or help them
All the people upsetting the hive mind.
I think this, like most binary thinking commonly done on social media, would be a superficial analysis. Swipe left or right, those are your two choices., and not swiping at all equals swiping wrong. Age of Information my ass.
Nope, I think he’s probably a Russian asset. IMO if you are willing to break the law because you believe strongly enough it’s the right thing to do you should be willing to face the consequences. His message would be a lot stronger coming from a jail cell instead of an enemy state.
Every day he was in jail would drive further public outcry.
Lmao ok buddy.
He was in 2013. And that’s what counts.
I would like to see the presidential parden used for him. I think Snowden had honorable intentions but went about releasing the information (to trusted journalists) in the wrong way. I think he should have gone to the OIG, i dont think he did, and after trying that gone to journalists. However, i cant really fault him, its hard to know what to do in the moment. I probably would not have released documents in his place.
what would’ve going to the OIG achieved but his arrest?
100% I do. Him and nicholas are the biggest black spot on the obama administration and I hope the things that bring him the most shame. They are part of a small group of heroes of the millenia. Snowden being in russia because he brought to light what the governement was doing is one of the biggest indicators of our dystopia.
Anonymous == State Actor … not a hero. They like super man or batman for people who don’t understand tech and geopolitics. I am not worried about hackers… I am worried about billionares now trillionares, corpos and the deep state. Couple harassed with live bugs and bloody pig mask settles eBay lawsuit
Nobody is calling anonymous heroes. Now you are going all wacko on me. LOL!
Anon has done heroic things and horrific things. Exposing scientologist embedment everywhere and their cruelty, for example. Again, USA shrugged.
Anon is a fucking joke. In fact, that’s what they largely have become anymore. They’re only serving their self-interests. Sure, they’ve done a handful of things that would otherwise be seen as good, but majority of the time, they’ve proven to just outright be assholes who operate arbitrarily but likely sides with their own interests.
I consider him a true American patriot.
Nothing is more patriotic than wanting your country to do better.
Implementing drag net surveillance was a terrible decision, and exposing it was truly heroic.
Sadly, Snowden is now in the clutches of Russia who can and does use him as their pawn.
It is easy to say that this is where the EU should have stepped up and given him sanctuary, but that would have been less than ideal for him.
- Europe and the US have close ties with police and law enforcement, while no EU nation would hand their own citizens over to the US, they would absolutely hand over a US citizen to the US if requested.
- During the war on terror, Europe was complicit in plenty of illegal renditions of their own citizens to the CIA, they were then sent to illegal black sites and tortured, plenty of these persons have since been proven innocent.
Given the high profile of Snowden’s leak, the US still want’s him back, and back then even more so, had Snowden gone to the EU, he most likely would have been extradited, kidnapped or even assassinated.
By staying in Russia that was a far lower risk to him.
Nothing is more patriotic than wanting your country to do better.
Is being patriotic and wanting your first world country to do better something heroic?
Well that highly depends in what you deem good. If wantig to do better is stopping the support of any goverment that suppresses its people and/or invades other countrys and you put your life in the line for that goal, i think thats very heroic.
EU states have handed over their own citizens to the US, if these people have hurt us citizens enough. There is a nice episode of the darknet diaries that just came out
“The west should have protected him from the west.”
Eh, the EU makes a big deal of freedom, and has stood up to the US in the past, but here there are actual laws and regulations to follow, and if we stop extraditing US citizens to the US, the US would stop extraditing our citizens to us.
Countries in the EU are still occupying Africa. Settler shitheads.
It appears that I am out of the loop on this…
You are answering to someone from a tankie instance, expect their views to be aligned with authoritarian left and take them with many grains of salt. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
I don’t generally dwell on the libshits like yourself, some will never learn the art of thinking critically, but I would like to point out that the best way to control the population is to divide it. You’re either a fed or unknowingly lending them a hand.
The irony of calling someone a “lib-shit”, over what is, in the grande scheme of things, a minor quibble, in the literal same sentence they talk about how people are dividing the population intentionally to control them.
Lmfao, you’re the one dividing the population you unselfreflective dipshit. Grow up.
What exactly have I said that wasn’t true?
That countries in the EU are controlling countries in Africa. What else is there you could’ve said that’s not true?
Hey, thanks for telling me, I know about tankies, as well as the instances they run, though I don’t check every user to see where they come from.
I’ll tag him accordingly.
Here’s one example: https://www.pulse.ng/story/7-ways-france-still-controls-its-former-african-colonies-2024072617033075753
Don’t feel bad. Many are out of the loop. The west spends a lot of money ensuring most are clueless to what’s actually going on in the world.
That article made me vigorously expel air from my nose.
What’s the #1 way that France still controls its former African colonies?
“1. These countries must officially speak French”
Did you know England controls the United States? How? England makes the US speak English. I’m super serial! This isn’t a laughing matter, so stop laughing at this matter.
Oh, I had no idea about this…
The colonial tax seems especially evil.
Luckily it seems entirely fabricated like many other claims on that post in Pulse Nigeria’s Food and Travel section
He’s at lower risk from the US, but speaking out about Russia would probably be riskier. It’s an unfortunate situation for him to be stuck in Russia and not some other safe country.
I think the Swiss should have offered him assistance in an embassy or Vietnam or somewhere other than Putin’s Russia (which we knew was bad even back then).
Really though, Obama should have pardoned him.
while no EU nation would hand their own citizens over to the US
Europe was complicit in plenty of illegal renditions of their own citizens to the CIA
Make up your mind.
No. He’s just another dude like anybody else.
He lived a life of serving capitalism, empire, etc. That’s how he got into his position. It’s admirable and exceptional that he repented but that doesn’t make him a hero, especially versus people who have spent their lives doing good all along.
