Well the difference is that while both actively premeditated their murders whoever committed the crimes Mangioni has been accused of is far more of a menace because they had a specific target in mind and even worse it was someone rich instead of just anyone protesting the police tendency to murder.
The court was wrong. Anyone not blinded by ideology can see Rittenhouse crossed state lines to go cause trouble with a gun. His fig leaf of a cover blew apart and conservatives pretended it still applied.
Furthermore despite conservative judges protecting attackers this must be a tenet of self defense, otherwise there is no longer any way to convict someone of murder, except the arbitrary denial of self defense as an argument to defendants.
Nothing that happened after he grabbed a gun and went to the protest matters. If he hadn’t gone there with the intent of using his gun none of this would have happened. He is the instigating force and cannot claim self defense.
And yet, look what happened in court, because he actually did nothing of the sort. Do you not understand anything about how the laws work or what happened there? (Don’t answer, that was rhetorical. “Rhetorical” means a question for conversational effect, not an actual request for an answer. The previous sentence contains condescension, and I’m just going to assume you need an definition for that also, as you seem to have no idea of what goes on at all.)
You are in the wrong place for trying to say the truth. Dont even try to converse about that topic here as You’ll only get gut emotional reactions that blatantly go against the facts.
Sure he was attacked in the same way you attack a burglar. He shouldve been hanged for waving that fucken rifle around outside of his hometown let alone in a different state. But such mistakes can always be corrected.
oh ffs. you are clearly unaware of how laws work in the particular states where this occurred, and are trying to staple vaguely European or Canadian laws on to the situation, mostly which are considered pretty fascist by those under them.
I am simply stating that the locals of the town should’ve hanged him, this aint a legal argument on my part. I am but a simple Californian stating that I think Kyle Rittenhouse deserves death, my morality rarely aligns to law.
For one I claimed no such thing, the locales shouldve linched him. Secondly I am better than him, mostly for the simple fact that I aint so stupid as to cross state borders and poke my nose into other folks business. And thirdly I aint such a weakling to need a gun to feel strong.
No, dude. you aren’t. You’ve already exposed yourself even if you didn’t realize it then and want to backtrack now. Just another jerk off whose idea of right and wrong is which team.
Yeah and you don’t get acquitted of that either. Also one of the surviving “victims” doesn’t blow the prosecution’s case by being honest in your scenario. That look of defeat photo is priceless.
Why are you so dependant on the court acknowledged and recorded reality of what happened being false? Your rhetoric doesn;t work with facts, so you ignore those instead of constructing an argument that works within reality, for some reason. People like you cry about rittenhouse and that pearl guy, and then go celebrate Luigi.
Why are you so dependant on bootlicking and insisting a deranged little racist was justified in murdering people, and vilifying a person who the courts, you seem to rely on to tell you what to believe, hadn’t even tried yet. And you so haven’t answered my sock puppet question. Do you make new accounts when you’re idiocy and hate gets banned, or do you make them because you’re afraid people will check your history and realise your a sycophant for authoritarianism.
Ok we’re done here, you can’t not lie about the actual events and I won’t longer entertain political discussion with those that can’t at least do that. BTW, it’s really funny you calling me the authoritarian, considering your (see, not “you’re”, buddy) evident ideology. Do you seriously not know the Rittenhouse trial is long, long over? JFC.
I still don’t know what “actual” events you are taking about. You’re (not your) the one ignoring what happened so you can sit at home edging yourself over a murderous little shit knowing you’ll never have the balls to do it yourself so you live vicariously through other racist fucks. I would feel sorry for hateful morons like yourself, but unfortunately you have chosen to fuck up the world for the rest of us.
Carrying a gun is “premeditated self defence”? Are people only supposed to carry guns where it is safe? What is the purpose of that?
So many people pushing this ridiculous idea he is guilty for not staying at home, quaking in his boots. Right to self defense and to bear arms literally exist so that people don’t have to fear walking outside because of asshat violent criminals and rioters.
And even more ridiculous saying the police and prosecutors didn’t care. What do you mean? They went after him with everything they had. It was a jury of his peers that told them to f off with that shit.
But I guess lemmy only likes juries if they nullify actual murderers they like, not when they let go an innocent person they don’t like. (I don’t like Rittenhouse either, but that does not make him a murderer.)
I remember when I was a freshman in high school, I worked at a McDonald’s. For whatever reason, I owned a Burger King t shirt. As a 14 year old, I thought it would be funny to wear the Burger King shirt to work. I figured it would annoy my boss and might get a few reactions out of other people. It didn’t work, but there were no real consequences because of it.
You really can’t see how Rittenhouse did a similar thing? He went to a protest knowing he was diametrically opposite, politically, to people actually protesting and he did it with a big ass gun. Like my Burger King t shirt, this was very clearly sending a message of “I am your enemy.” And the message wasn’t on a harmless shirt, it was on a deadly big ass gun.
You really truly believe he had no intention of killing? Are you dumb?
Rittenhouse was not a cop, he was a douchebag little shit stirrer with a murder fantasy, and he got exactly what he wanted — a fun murder spree killing liberals with no consequences.
I’m not going to coordinate an effort to lynch the piece of shit, but spreading bullshit about how “he’s not a murderer,” like what you’re doing, is disingenuous at best. Kindly, shut the fuck up
He was literally filmed that night watching Antifa Members leave a CVS, where he said “If only I had my gun on me right now”
He was also in an interview with a militia group bragging about “Never using non-lethal”
He also had various facebook posts where he talked about wanting to kill.
He also had a history of schoolyard violence against young girls.
These were disallowed from being admitted as evidence by the judge who claimed these were “irrelevant”, even though they clearly paint a motive.
There’s also the fact that you don’t travel across state lines with an illegal weapon because you love somebody else’s property that much. He had claimed he had been “Hired to protect a dealership” and that he was “Only there to provide medical assistance with the gun being purely for protection”, at one point he’d even been asked to leave by police who only allowed him to stay because he lied about being a “Trained EMT”
Which resulted in the (often played out of context) clip of the police saying “We appreciate you guys, we really do!” as they gave him bottles of water. (Yet no charges for lying to law enforcement, self-misrepresentation, or “Stolen Valor”, curious)
The fact that he wore gloves at all times while handling the weapon also shows he intended to use it for criminal purposes and took steps to hide his fingerprints.
The evidence of pre-mediation is overwhelming, had the Judge not been a MAGA-Plant and the Prosecution not been incompetent “DID THE VIDEO GAMES MAKE YOU DO IT KYLE?!!?!”
Did you even watch the video? He was running away each time he ended up shooting someone. First time he tried to run but got trapped between some cars and was getting rushed by a mob.
Second time he was running at a good clip and he was hit a few times, but didn’t do anything until someone hit him in the head with a skateboard and he fell over. When that person came in to hit him a second time while on the ground, he shot them.
The third was while Rittenhouse was still on the ground. The other person pulled a gun on him but when Rittenhouse pointed his gun first, the third person held his gun up and backed away. When Rittenhouse tried to stand up the other guy aimed his gun at Rittenhouse, and Rittenhouse shot him.
All three times people rushed him while he was in a vulnerable position, the second person assaulted him with a deadly weapon, and the third drew a gun on him.
Rittenhouse is a dumb rightoid who put himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. That doesn’t mean that he is not allowed to defend himself from obvious threats to his life. As for anyone intending to protest without getting blasted, a quick tip: don’t fucking attack people who are running away because it makes it look like you’re trying to kill them.
What exactly are you arguing for? That the coyote should avoid traps? That the hunter shouldn’t be laying traps if they don’t want to get bitten? What is it?
Fighting back against a perceived threat does not automatically grant the threat justification in their violent actions, nor does it remove legitimacy from the coyote for defending itself from a perceived threat.
Rittenhouse entered the woods, laid a trap, approached the trapped animal, was bitten, and shot the trapped animal. Then he said “It was self defense! They were hunting me!”
Well the difference is that while both actively premeditated their murders whoever committed the crimes Mangioni has been accused of is far more of a menace because they had a specific target in mind and even worse it was someone rich instead of just anyone protesting the police tendency to murder.
Rittenhouse attacked 3 people, that’s 3x the danger. But I guess I forgot to count up their net worths.
Can we just not lie? Rittenhouse was attacked.
There is no Self Defense when you seek conflict.
Court entirely disagreed with your scenario, even the survivor admitted he was attacking.
The court was wrong. Anyone not blinded by ideology can see Rittenhouse crossed state lines to go cause trouble with a gun. His fig leaf of a cover blew apart and conservatives pretended it still applied.
Furthermore despite conservative judges protecting attackers this must be a tenet of self defense, otherwise there is no longer any way to convict someone of murder, except the arbitrary denial of self defense as an argument to defendants.
Was the survivor also lying, you propaganda pushing piece of shit?
Nothing that happened after he grabbed a gun and went to the protest matters. If he hadn’t gone there with the intent of using his gun none of this would have happened. He is the instigating force and cannot claim self defense.
And yet, look what happened in court, because he actually did nothing of the sort. Do you not understand anything about how the laws work or what happened there? (Don’t answer, that was rhetorical. “Rhetorical” means a question for conversational effect, not an actual request for an answer. The previous sentence contains condescension, and I’m just going to assume you need an definition for that also, as you seem to have no idea of what goes on at all.)
You are in the wrong place for trying to say the truth. Dont even try to converse about that topic here as You’ll only get gut emotional reactions that blatantly go against the facts.
Sure looks like it huh?
Sure he was attacked in the same way you attack a burglar. He shouldve been hanged for waving that fucken rifle around outside of his hometown let alone in a different state. But such mistakes can always be corrected.
oh ffs. you are clearly unaware of how laws work in the particular states where this occurred, and are trying to staple vaguely European or Canadian laws on to the situation, mostly which are considered pretty fascist by those under them.
I am simply stating that the locals of the town should’ve hanged him, this aint a legal argument on my part. I am but a simple Californian stating that I think Kyle Rittenhouse deserves death, my morality rarely aligns to law.
So if you ain’t no better than what you claim he is, why you mad, bro?
For one I claimed no such thing, the locales shouldve linched him. Secondly I am better than him, mostly for the simple fact that I aint so stupid as to cross state borders and poke my nose into other folks business. And thirdly I aint such a weakling to need a gun to feel strong.
yeah that was the kicker,
No, dude. you aren’t. You’ve already exposed yourself even if you didn’t realize it then and want to backtrack now. Just another jerk off whose idea of right and wrong is which team.
Rittenhouse didn’t premediate his shooting though? Where do you guys get your information about this?
You don’t straw buy an AR then pick it up and cross state lines with it going to a known chaotic protest without premeditated “self defence”.
Yeah and you don’t get acquitted of that either. Also one of the surviving “victims” doesn’t blow the prosecution’s case by being honest in your scenario. That look of defeat photo is priceless.
It’s not “my scenario”, it was what fucking happened. Also do you people ever get tired of making sock puppets when you’re stupidity gets banned?
Why are you so dependant on the court acknowledged and recorded reality of what happened being false? Your rhetoric doesn;t work with facts, so you ignore those instead of constructing an argument that works within reality, for some reason. People like you cry about rittenhouse and that pearl guy, and then go celebrate Luigi.
Why are you so dependant on bootlicking and insisting a deranged little racist was justified in murdering people, and vilifying a person who the courts, you seem to rely on to tell you what to believe, hadn’t even tried yet. And you so haven’t answered my sock puppet question. Do you make new accounts when you’re idiocy and hate gets banned, or do you make them because you’re afraid people will check your history and realise your a sycophant for authoritarianism.
Ok we’re done here, you can’t not lie about the actual events and I won’t longer entertain political discussion with those that can’t at least do that. BTW, it’s really funny you calling me the authoritarian, considering your (see, not “you’re”, buddy) evident ideology. Do you seriously not know the Rittenhouse trial is long, long over? JFC.
I still don’t know what “actual” events you are taking about. You’re (not your) the one ignoring what happened so you can sit at home edging yourself over a murderous little shit knowing you’ll never have the balls to do it yourself so you live vicariously through other racist fucks. I would feel sorry for hateful morons like yourself, but unfortunately you have chosen to fuck up the world for the rest of us.
Carrying a gun is “premeditated self defence”? Are people only supposed to carry guns where it is safe? What is the purpose of that?
So many people pushing this ridiculous idea he is guilty for not staying at home, quaking in his boots. Right to self defense and to bear arms literally exist so that people don’t have to fear walking outside because of asshat violent criminals and rioters.
And even more ridiculous saying the police and prosecutors didn’t care. What do you mean? They went after him with everything they had. It was a jury of his peers that told them to f off with that shit.
But I guess lemmy only likes juries if they nullify actual murderers they like, not when they let go an innocent person they don’t like. (I don’t like Rittenhouse either, but that does not make him a murderer.)
I remember when I was a freshman in high school, I worked at a McDonald’s. For whatever reason, I owned a Burger King t shirt. As a 14 year old, I thought it would be funny to wear the Burger King shirt to work. I figured it would annoy my boss and might get a few reactions out of other people. It didn’t work, but there were no real consequences because of it.
You really can’t see how Rittenhouse did a similar thing? He went to a protest knowing he was diametrically opposite, politically, to people actually protesting and he did it with a big ass gun. Like my Burger King t shirt, this was very clearly sending a message of “I am your enemy.” And the message wasn’t on a harmless shirt, it was on a deadly big ass gun.
You really truly believe he had no intention of killing? Are you dumb?
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Rittenhouse was not a cop, he was a douchebag little shit stirrer with a murder fantasy, and he got exactly what he wanted — a fun murder spree killing liberals with no consequences.
I’m not going to coordinate an effort to lynch the piece of shit, but spreading bullshit about how “he’s not a murderer,” like what you’re doing, is disingenuous at best. Kindly, shut the fuck up
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Violent bloodthirsty evil thug, then. Is that better for you, Herr Pedant?
You could have picked from so many different reasons to why this was not murder, but this one takes the cake.
I have another one!
Murder is a crime, and Criminals are in Jail.
Since he is not, it could not have been murder! CHECKMATE LIBERALS /s
Everything they had? He’s still alive. That’s more than most shooters get.
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No? But usually shooters get shot, especially if they shoot blindly into unarmed folks. How isn’t anyone able to read any more? Did I write trial?
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He absolutely did though, the whole point was he wanted to get into a fight be “forced” to defend himself.
I never saw evidence for this claim. Do you have any?
He was literally filmed that night watching Antifa Members leave a CVS, where he said “If only I had my gun on me right now”
He was also in an interview with a militia group bragging about “Never using non-lethal”
He also had various facebook posts where he talked about wanting to kill.
He also had a history of schoolyard violence against young girls.
These were disallowed from being admitted as evidence by the judge who claimed these were “irrelevant”, even though they clearly paint a motive.
There’s also the fact that you don’t travel across state lines with an illegal weapon because you love somebody else’s property that much. He had claimed he had been “Hired to protect a dealership” and that he was “Only there to provide medical assistance with the gun being purely for protection”, at one point he’d even been asked to leave by police who only allowed him to stay because he lied about being a “Trained EMT”
Which resulted in the (often played out of context) clip of the police saying “We appreciate you guys, we really do!” as they gave him bottles of water. (Yet no charges for lying to law enforcement, self-misrepresentation, or “Stolen Valor”, curious)
The fact that he wore gloves at all times while handling the weapon also shows he intended to use it for criminal purposes and took steps to hide his fingerprints.
The evidence of pre-mediation is overwhelming, had the Judge not been a MAGA-Plant and the Prosecution not been incompetent “DID THE VIDEO GAMES MAKE YOU DO IT KYLE?!!?!”
It’s pretty obvious how this would have gone
lol. is this Stephen Kings’ alt account? Clearly written after he got off the blow.
let’s just leave rittenhouse out of this. he got away, whatever.
it is divisive, focus on the topic at hand. Luigi likely did not do it and health insurance it trash that must be reformed.
Ah you’re right, I think that’s what matters more too. This is going to be one hell of a trial.
If the Judge were to ask me, I’d say pretty sure Luigi didn’t do it, I thought I saw Nancy Mace with the glock though.
He deliberately brandished a weapon to incite bystanders to try to defend themselves so he could kill them and call it self defense.
Did you even watch the video? He was running away each time he ended up shooting someone. First time he tried to run but got trapped between some cars and was getting rushed by a mob.
Second time he was running at a good clip and he was hit a few times, but didn’t do anything until someone hit him in the head with a skateboard and he fell over. When that person came in to hit him a second time while on the ground, he shot them.
The third was while Rittenhouse was still on the ground. The other person pulled a gun on him but when Rittenhouse pointed his gun first, the third person held his gun up and backed away. When Rittenhouse tried to stand up the other guy aimed his gun at Rittenhouse, and Rittenhouse shot him.
All three times people rushed him while he was in a vulnerable position, the second person assaulted him with a deadly weapon, and the third drew a gun on him.
Rittenhouse is a dumb rightoid who put himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. That doesn’t mean that he is not allowed to defend himself from obvious threats to his life. As for anyone intending to protest without getting blasted, a quick tip: don’t fucking attack people who are running away because it makes it look like you’re trying to kill them.
“Brandishing” a weapon isn’t a crime in Wisconsin. Even if it were, it wouldn’t justify vigilantes attempting to kill him.
A hunter in the woods lays a trap. A coyote walks by and gets its foot caught in the trap. The hunter approaches and the coyote bites the hunter.
You feel the coyote was unjustified?
What exactly are you arguing for? That the coyote should avoid traps? That the hunter shouldn’t be laying traps if they don’t want to get bitten? What is it?
Fighting back against a perceived threat does not automatically grant the threat justification in their violent actions, nor does it remove legitimacy from the coyote for defending itself from a perceived threat.
Rittenhouse entered the woods, laid a trap, approached the trapped animal, was bitten, and shot the trapped animal. Then he said “It was self defense! They were hunting me!”
It’s ludicrous that this was upheld in court.
Ah now I understand. I agree.
The age old source of “I made it the fuck up”.
I don’t think other commenters bothered to watch the trial.
He was acting foolish but he certainly didn’t commit pre-meditated murder.