• Alabaster_Mango@lemmy.ca
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      11 days ago

      Espresso != A regular black coffee. Espresso is way more concentrated, and is brewed using pressure. Regular black coffee implies the drip method.

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        11 days ago

        Or Perc. Black coffee could mean perc. But that really only happens in places that still think it’s the 50’s.

        (No judgement. Those diners are amazing, and better coffee than fartbucks.)

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          No judgement. Those diners are amazing, and better coffee than fartbucks

          I’ve never come across a place that uses a perc and doesnt burn their coffee, so honestly I find Starbucks better on that alone

          But the shitty espresso I can pull on my mr coffee beats both by miles

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            But Starbucks coffee is also burned, but more because the beans are roasted too hard (which makes sense if you’re going to pour one espresso into a pint of milk, but it sucks if you drink it without milk).

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              11 days ago

              The coffee isn’t burned (at least if you order espresso), the beans are, but the beans at the place using the percolator is also using cheap, burnt beans AND burning the coffee with a percolator

              Neither is close to ideal coffee, but for me one is far worse

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            11 days ago

            That’s an inherent flaw of the classic US percolators, where the coffee drips back down into the boiling water. It’s near impossible to not burn st least some of the coffee. Even basic filter coffee is usually better.

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              11 days ago

              Are there other types of percolators? I thought the recirculation and constant heating of the reservoir were required features.

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                11 days ago

                The recirculation of the coffee is not strictly necessary. Sure, it wouldn’t be a classic American percolator but there are other coffee makers that work by very similar principles but without burning your coffee (like drip brew filter coffee machines or my favorite, moka pots). Percolated in general just means “filtered” or “strained”.

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          11 days ago

          I think cowboy coffee can also be referred to as just black. But nobody in their right minds drinks that anymore.

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            11 days ago

            My in-law makes cowboy coffee in a great big kettle on the stove when all the kids arrive for the holidays and it’s actually some of the best coffee I’ve ever had. What trips me out is that he drinks crappy pod coffee the rest of the year.

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            I guess I’m not in my right mind then. At home cowboy coffee only, I don’t even have a French press or a v60. Although in my country we call it tramp coffee.

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              Neat! I’ve always heard it’s super gross. But I guess anything can be done well, and the gross stuff was probably due to lack of care.

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        11 days ago

        for the rest of the world normal is espresso and the thing with drip or wtv doesn’t even exist.

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          Nah, it’s not just murica. Here in Germany for example, if you order a cup of coffee you usually get filter coffee. If you want espresso, you have to order espresso.

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          11 days ago

          That’s not true in most of northern, central or eastern europe, and arab coffee drinkers traditionally use neither.

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        In your area, that may be true. Around here, and by experience in a good chunk of southern Europe, asking for a coffee will get you an espresso 100% of the time.

        Asking for drip coffee will probably get you scorned and sent off, or if they’re nice they may offer to make you instant coffee if they have it.

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          Scorned? Lol, what a bunch of prudes. Some people just can’t let others enjoy things. Espresso used to be considered hoity toity here in Canada, but that was years ago. It’s pretty normalized now.

          I was under the impression that even if it was the norm, espressos were always referred to as espressos. Neat. I know a good chunk of the world also heavily uses French presses in their coffee making, but the end result is functionally similar to drip coffee.

          Edit: I believe I’ve been misunderstood. Not having drip coffee doesn’t make one a prude. Scorning others for their preferred beverage preparation makes one a prude.

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            Not sure I’d call them prudes, it’s just that anywhere that serves coffee - every coffee shop, restaurant, bakery, pub, etc - has a grinder and a “professional” (multiple taps) espresso machine, it’s just “standard” - I don’t think I’ve seen a coffee pot other than in niche American-styled dinners, or hotels for tourists. Asking for an Americano is a thing though, but what you get is an espresso in a mug. The “drip” variety usually tastes either very bland or quite burnt, and doesn’t punch the same way, so the common view is that it’s “watered down” coffee and not well regarded.

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              I believe I’ve been misunderstood. Not having drip coffee doesn’t make one a prude. Scorning others for their preferred beverage preparation makes one a prude.

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              Not sure about mainland Europe, but in the UK at least, lots of places offer filter coffee and/or V60 in addition to the standard espresso

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            In southern Europe, almost everywhere has an espresso machine. Only fancy hipster coffee shops have filter coffee. They’re not prudes, they just dont see the point in having to have a completely separate machine for coffee that only gets used once a week just to accommodate a bunch of annoying ass tourists.

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              I believe I’ve been misunderstood. Not having drip coffee doesn’t make one a prude. Scorning others for their preferred beverage preparation makes one a prude.

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                That’s just how it is in many European countries, particularly more towards the south. For them food is sacred and traditional and you can explore whatever crazy stuff you want as long as you do it over there in private and don’t fuck with the classics. In north America this sentiment is much less present though I’ve seen it a bit with poutine for example where they’ll argue about how thick the fries should be and what kind of gravy and etc, but maybe that’s the French heritage at work.

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                  If you want to set off a poutine purist you gotta change the cheese. Trad poutine is exclusively made with cheese curds. Lots of places that sell “poutine”, however, use shredded cheese of some kind or other. Some people go nuts over it, lol.

                  I can definitely understand the heritage part. You can’t just throw a bunch of stuff in a bowl and claim it’s a dish that it is not. Coffee is way more broad and varied than something like cacio e pepe though. I still think it’s pretty stuck-up to scorn someone over how they like to drink it. Coffee has been served many different ways in many different places all over the globe. We don’t have to shun one another over it.