As a non religious person I take issue with comments like these, it’s as though you believe that for someone to have a faith that they must be stupid, and if that’s the case then I have a bridge to sell to you for the low low price which matches the number of brain cells you have.
My manager is religious and quite possibly one of the smartest people I’ve even met, he’s also the owner of our software consultancy and the lead engineer that has contributed massively to open source projects.
I’m not going to pretend to understand why he is religious or whether I agree but all I can say is never met someone as smart as him and he is really nice. We recently got pay rises and a reduction in hours. He spends loads of free time helping his parishioners and doing community work and just generally a nice man.
I am offended on behalf of him for your reductive view.
I am offended on behalf of him for your reductive view.
Well that’s a compelling reason to change my mind? You’re offended on behalf of someone else that you admit that you can’t understand why they’re religious ?
You’re upset with me for being reductionist on behalf of someone else’s reductionist superstition?
Wow.
Why not. Ask him? “Why do you believe in magic? Do you really believe in magic?”
Second hand offense. Wow. Hot damn. I’ve never achieved that before.
No he doesn’t believe in magic. He just believes that there has to be a creator of sorts and that doesn’t necessarily need to be a person, it could be anything that we can’t comprehend.
I don’t believe the same but it would be mighty arrogant of me to claim my believe in we ended here out of randomness is any more convincing.
But I’m not convinced an old white dude named Jehovah, who is a raging narcissist who wants to torture anyone who doesn’t kiss his ass forever, is the one who did it.
As I said above that isn’t really what my boss believes either. He just believes in a creator and really we are not going to refute that claim or substantiate any claim we believe.
I prefer to just judge people on their merit and actions and not my preconceived notions of religion, which is pretty skewed for anyone that spent any amount of time on Reddit.
I don’t judge people because they believe in a magical, supernatural creator, who for some reason, always resembles us. That’s convenient.
I judge people who try to force their ideology, morality, and judgement on the rest of us.
And yes, I know the “Faithful” always accuse those who don’t believe as they do of the same thing. But for some reason, most Atheists and Agnostics don’t want to kill, or imprison the “Faithful.”
Why is that?
Awaiting the “But… but… Russia and China…” bullshit.
I don’t believe the same but it would be mighty arrogant of me to claim my believe in we ended here out of randomness is any more convincing.
You know you can just say “I don’t know.” It’s not one or the other. How about don’t believe either until we have compelling evidence explaining the origin of life?
That said, science already has far more compelling evidence on its side than religion regarding this topic. Which, as a reminder, has all of 0 evidence supporting it.
If you take that to its logical conclusion you end up at “I cannot doubt that I doubt, therefore, I am” (which is what Descartes was actually up to) and need a leap of faith to re-introduce even the existence of the material world because solipsism has just as much tangible evidence when considered from that refuge of pure egg-headed rationalism.
That’s not so say that such a position is untenable, or unworkable, you could e.g. say “I will take any position that is compatible with both materialism and solipsism”, hedging around the question. Point I’m making is that you’re a reddit atheist who hasn’t thought as deep about any of this than you think you did. You’re not interested in the question, you’re interested in distancing yourself from a position you associate with people who have hurt you in the past. Valid, of course, but how about focussing on the “hurting people” part instead of “can find meaning in the concept of a god” because the two are, indeed, orthogonal.
“I don’t know” is the default. That’s how epistimology works.
How do you know that you don’t know? Can you be sure that you don’t? Can you ascertain that you are not acting on assumptions you are not aware of, do not reflect on?
That is an actually skeptic mindset. Not your “Oh I don’t share the same intuition as others they are wrong because they cannot justify theirs”, but actually digging down into your own shit, seeing how much you can actually justify. Glass house, stones, and all that. Also that’s not how epistemology is spelled.
You know literally nothing about me.
True. I sorted you into the category of “reddit atheist” because you act like one, argue like one. Can I inquire about your reasoning behind sorting me into “Christian”? Because you’re fucking ways far off.
If you believe in Christian magic, do I have an offer for you: a bridge for a low low cost of however much you have left after tithing
As a non religious person I take issue with comments like these, it’s as though you believe that for someone to have a faith that they must be stupid, and if that’s the case then I have a bridge to sell to you for the low low price which matches the number of brain cells you have.
My manager is religious and quite possibly one of the smartest people I’ve even met, he’s also the owner of our software consultancy and the lead engineer that has contributed massively to open source projects.
I’m not going to pretend to understand why he is religious or whether I agree but all I can say is never met someone as smart as him and he is really nice. We recently got pay rises and a reduction in hours. He spends loads of free time helping his parishioners and doing community work and just generally a nice man.
I am offended on behalf of him for your reductive view.
Yeah humans have the ability to be simultaneously dumb as rocks and smart at the same time.
Exhibit A: PhD students
In this case we are hoping enough of the stupid (brainwashed) part of the brain is exposed and willing to invest in a bridge. It’s not complex.
Well that’s a compelling reason to change my mind? You’re offended on behalf of someone else that you admit that you can’t understand why they’re religious ?
You’re upset with me for being reductionist on behalf of someone else’s reductionist superstition?
Wow.
Why not. Ask him? “Why do you believe in magic? Do you really believe in magic?”
Second hand offense. Wow. Hot damn. I’ve never achieved that before.
No he doesn’t believe in magic. He just believes that there has to be a creator of sorts and that doesn’t necessarily need to be a person, it could be anything that we can’t comprehend.
I don’t believe the same but it would be mighty arrogant of me to claim my believe in we ended here out of randomness is any more convincing.
So… magic.
It is pretty magical that we are here.
Agreed.
But I’m not convinced an old white dude named Jehovah, who is a raging narcissist who wants to torture anyone who doesn’t kiss his ass forever, is the one who did it.
As I said above that isn’t really what my boss believes either. He just believes in a creator and really we are not going to refute that claim or substantiate any claim we believe.
I prefer to just judge people on their merit and actions and not my preconceived notions of religion, which is pretty skewed for anyone that spent any amount of time on Reddit.
I don’t judge people because they believe in a magical, supernatural creator, who for some reason, always resembles us. That’s convenient.
I judge people who try to force their ideology, morality, and judgement on the rest of us.
And yes, I know the “Faithful” always accuse those who don’t believe as they do of the same thing. But for some reason, most Atheists and Agnostics don’t want to kill, or imprison the “Faithful.”
Why is that?
Awaiting the “But… but… Russia and China…” bullshit.
You know you can just say “I don’t know.” It’s not one or the other. How about don’t believe either until we have compelling evidence explaining the origin of life?
That said, science already has far more compelling evidence on its side than religion regarding this topic. Which, as a reminder, has all of 0 evidence supporting it.
If you take that to its logical conclusion you end up at “I cannot doubt that I doubt, therefore, I am” (which is what Descartes was actually up to) and need a leap of faith to re-introduce even the existence of the material world because solipsism has just as much tangible evidence when considered from that refuge of pure egg-headed rationalism.
That’s not so say that such a position is untenable, or unworkable, you could e.g. say “I will take any position that is compatible with both materialism and solipsism”, hedging around the question. Point I’m making is that you’re a reddit atheist who hasn’t thought as deep about any of this than you think you did. You’re not interested in the question, you’re interested in distancing yourself from a position you associate with people who have hurt you in the past. Valid, of course, but how about focussing on the “hurting people” part instead of “can find meaning in the concept of a god” because the two are, indeed, orthogonal.
What the fuck are you talking about?
“I don’t know” is the default. That’s how epistimology works.
Yeah fuck right off. You know literally nothing about me. I probably know more about your hateful beliefs than you do.
Go beat your slaves (but not too much! Lucky for you, the Bible has very clear instructions on this!)
How do you know that you don’t know? Can you be sure that you don’t? Can you ascertain that you are not acting on assumptions you are not aware of, do not reflect on?
That is an actually skeptic mindset. Not your “Oh I don’t share the same intuition as others they are wrong because they cannot justify theirs”, but actually digging down into your own shit, seeing how much you can actually justify. Glass house, stones, and all that. Also that’s not how epistemology is spelled.
True. I sorted you into the category of “reddit atheist” because you act like one, argue like one. Can I inquire about your reasoning behind sorting me into “Christian”? Because you’re fucking ways far off.
I really don’t care what has evidence and what doesn’t. If someone is nice and not harming people I do not care if they believe the sky is green.
Until “the sky is green” becomes “I don’t vaccinate my children”
He vaccinates his kids, as I said he is the smartest person I’ve ever met.
You act like we don’t have crazy atheists that are anti vax, flat earth or any number of things.
If you think all religious people are the same then that’s just ridiculous. Are all atheists the same? No no group of people are the same.
A willingness to ignore reality in favor of fantasy is a red flag to me. Get over it.
Well, unlike you, I care about believing things that are true. So I will continue to care about evidence.
Not caring about evidence, on a societal level, leads directly to unnecessary suffering and death. And that goes way beyond vaccines.