Well, they both need to follow local law regarding their duty to provide aid. It varies around the country. They’d likely be protected as long as they didn’t break professional ethics, but it does vary some.
Yeah, it’s like: the world? Render aid. America? Fuck no for lawsuits.
There’s “duty of care” (where you are obligated to provide aid, usually due to your profession) and separately there’s “Good Samaritan” laws (you don’t have to help, but you are qualified to do so and protected from any results). The details on both of these vary tremendously based on jurisdiction and circumstance, particularly the Good Samaritan requirements.
Yup, but in this case duty of care is more important overall since the sister is an RN. It’s the difference between a possible lawsuit and criminal charges (depending on location) if anyone finds out she didn’t render aid.
You know what’s fucked up? My state at one point was set up so that if you were CPR certified, you weren’t covered for the usual broken ribs kind of injuries. But if you weren’t, you were clear. So a lot of people in my job (nurse’s assistant) just skipped CPR certification entirely. It meant that we weren’t required to do it at all, but that if we did, we were legally covered under good Samaritan.
They fixed it eventually, but it was fucking annoying.
Even worse, if you had a patient that didn’t want resuscitation, but hadn’t gotten an advanced directive or dnr done before becoming unable to, if you were certified, you had to do it. But if you weren’t, you weren’t allowed to. So, again, NAs had to decide what level of exposure they would tolerate vs what ethical boundaries they had, and fit it against the impossible to predict needs of future patients.
RNs, however, were required to keep a CPR cert (though it later got fixed so that an RN was automatically considered certfied).
Some of the labyrinthine bullshit around emergencies is just stupid.
In the US you usually don’t have a duty of care for random people you may encounter during random activities. I would be amazed if she has a duty of care for people involved in traffic accidents that she happens to see, when she’s not part of the first responders (EMTs and the like). She’s not being paid for this work, and has signed no agreement to take that responsibility.
If you are talking about a specific jurisdiction where this is not the case, please let me know.
This is an interesting one.
I applaud your mom for helping, she must be prepared at all times? I mean I carry an AFAK (Advanced Individual First Aid Kit) to work or to the range for example. But I would be totally useless in a traffic accident. Like okay, maybe I can tourniquet a limb, put a splint on (high risk), or use a homeostatic bandage and maybe that will get you by until EMS shows up. Really, unless you know exactly what you’re doing, you could kill someone.
And your sister is completely correct. You don’t have to be right to sue someone, odds are it’s a wasted expense on both parties. Anecdotally, when my sister got into a car accident with my car, the stupid cunt my sister had ran into had the gall to try and sue my mom as well as myself. They couldn’t get to me at all, I was 2000 miles away. If only I had my personal attorney that I do today, I would have sued right back.
It depends on what kind of a nurse your sister is. Not all nurses have the same experiences and well it could traumatize them for life. I would trust a combat medic over most nurses. I mean I had a nurse that fucked up an IV 4 times before I told him hey do it like this, I need to be mobile, tape here, tape there. My mom was a head nurse, and when she had surgery it was funny to hear how many times she had to correct the nurses.
Another thing is your mom might have the eye of who’s viable and who’s a casualty. And that’s a hard thing to accept. I mean going home one time, I saw a guy on the road from a motorcycle crash and people trying to help him. He’s screaming in agony, blood is everywhere. No helmet. Think, a peak time parking lot of cars you see in California traffic surrounding the area. I was like, yeah he’s dead, I think I saw it the news actually creepy. At least my brain mostly blocked out that one except the screams.
So yeah, your sister might not want to experience that nor has the confidence to mend a situation like that.
But I would be totally useless in a traffic accident. Like okay, maybe I can tourniquet a limb, put a splint on (high risk), or use a homeostatic bandage and maybe that will get you by until EMS shows up.
don’t underestimate how important it is to be able to evaluate a casualty. your training and skills will stop those ‘oh I’m fine’ 0.o pupils dilated types that want to go home, or knowing what shock looks like, knowing that feeling clammy and sick to one’s stomach might indicate a cardiac event etc., I hope people don’t give up on helping others, stuff like this saves lives.
I know, I help when I can. Part of why I carry an AFAK to work, had a coworker step on a nail. He didn’t notice because he’s diabetic. I noticed bloody shoe prints everywhere, at least the first aid kit had homeostatic powder. He was good enough to go home with a wrap. While he didn’t panic, I know there are plenty of people that would.
. He didn’t notice because he’s diabetic.
ah fuck. the recovery on those kinds of wounds is awful too, takes forever. good catch tho, probably saved his life or his foot
It depends on how oblivious your sister is.
She has just seen to many lawsuits from traveling around. Like if you give CPR to an elderly person or something and break a rib you are responsible.
If you’re in the US, good Samaritan law will protect against that situation. They could try and sue, but it will on all likelihood be thrown out.
Its a convenient excuse. I know that’s easy for me to say, not being the person to face the small chance of liability. I just don’t know how someone trained can walk past and be like not my problem. Seems so fucking cold
If a nurse won’t give CPR to somebody because they’re afraid of getting sued for a broken rib, then they shouldn’t be a nurse.
I’ve been CPR trained, and we were taught that broken ribs are a normal outcome, and we shouldn’t let that worry slow us down, because the alternative is the person dying. I’ve done CPR on somebody that overdosed in the parking lot until someone showed up with narcan, and I’d do it again.
Sorry for being curt.
Nice to meet you Curt, my name is dad.
Your mom
BOOM, ROASTED!
I also think there’s a non-zero chance to get into trouble but there’s also a non-zero chance to get hit by lightning soooo…
both.
your mom has a skillset that allows her to help.
your sister is useless and can’t help.
make sure you tell her that too.
Your mom, good Samaritan laws are a thing
Wtf. In germany you can geht in trouble if you dont help but could.
Depends on the country. Eastern countries like China,Russia, and South East Asia, hell ya. They fake like you hit them, they’ll run into you parked and fall over, they’ll fall on corners and you help them up they’ll sue you for hurting them. There’s tons of videos on YouTube, and I lived in China for about 10 years. At first I was like WTF why won’t anyone help that old lady? My friend is like “bro, no” and explained it. Over 10 years I saw it like weekly.
West not as much. It does happen though. There are laws to protect the person helping as well. If it ever went to a trial it’s pretty obvious you pulled up to help and didn’t do anything crazy besides maybe a tourniquet, CPR, and or called 911.
Anyone can sue anyone else for anything. That doesn’t mean anything will come of it or even reach a courtroom.
There are laws that protect you when you offer help in most if not all states. Get familiar with yours.
Your sister is going to have a crisis of conscience/faith at some point, since she’s definitely in the wrong career/line of work if she’s a nurse that doesn’t want to help people. If she’s just there for the paycheck, she’s still in the wrong line of work because they don’t get paid enough for what they get put through.
Didn’t sound like they don’t want to help people, rather don’t want to get sued helping people on the street. Someone showed good Samaritan’s lose their lawsuit 4.5% of the time.
I suppose if someone tried to help but made the injury worse there’s an argument there but a trained nurse would presumably know what they’re doing.
Not your English teacher
Depends probably on your location. In a lot of countries (for example Germany) you are obligated to give first aid (independent of yourknowledge) . You can even be sued for not helping in an emergency.
In of most countries there are „Good Samaritan Laws“ that protect the people giving first aid!
And btw how often do they come by accidents? Here in Germany haven’t seen one in years
I’m assuming the US, because
https://www.heitingandirwin.com/suing-the-good-samaritan-when-good-intentions-cause-serious-harm/
https://abcnews.com/TheLaw/story?id=6498405&page=1
https://nevinlawgroup.com/how-many-successful-good-samaritan-lawsuits-are.html
4.7% of lawsuits ending with a judgement against the good samaritan is not much, but more than 0
I can’t find their source for the “2019” review with the 4.7 %, but the main thing to know is that the good Samaritan laws protect you when you are acting in good faith and following your training.
So for example it would protect you while giving cpr like you’ve been trained to do, or while following directions from 911, but won’t protect you if you stick a pen in someone’s neck because you thought they needed a DIY trachyometry like you saw in a movie once.
I mean, it ended Seinfeld.
Depends probably on your location. In a lot of countries (for example Germany) you are obligated to give first aid (independent of yourknowledge) . You can even be sued for not helping in an emergency.
This is the case for licensed medical practitioners in the US as well, including doctors and nurses. If a Flock camera catches the sister leaving the scene of an accident, and the sister is an RN, the sister can be civilly liable and possibly even criminally culpable for refusing to render aid within her professional scope.
ChatGPT tells me all 50 US states have Good Samaritan laws, but the details vary. However since it didn’t give me the link to verify, that may be just a hallucination
Is this an attempt at satire, or is this your first day?
It was attempted. The serious point is most places have some variation of a Good Samaritan law, so you shouldn’t be afraid to help. However like others said, the details vary by locale so there is no single answer. I even saw one where medical professionals were mandated to help.
Good Samaritan laws generally protect you if you act in good faith to save someone, although there are still occasional lawsuits.
Then it was an attempt at satire, apparently a poor attempt
Well, then have an upvote from me.
Slop
Why even bother posting this?
I always stop if no one is around or if everyone is just standing around looking uncertain. I couldn’t stop myself if I wanted to, I feel compelled to go help. Lawsuits be damned, just stick to within your scope of practice and you’re fine. Or if you’re really that nervous, stabilize them and call EMS, and then leave… don’t just do nothing.
Broken ribs with CPR? That’s in your scope of practice. They were a DNR and you didn’t know? Doesn’t matter, EMS is gonna do the same, it’s not worth risking a life because you’re not sure. They have DNR tattooed on their forehead? Still doesn’t matter, it doesn’t count (though I may personally make a judgment call on that one)
The fear of lawsuits is just a little overhyped, there are laws to protect against them. Just stay within your scope and help
