Last week, the Supreme Court issued an unsigned opinion requiring the Trump administration to “facilitate” the return of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a 29-year-old Maryland man whom immigration officials deported to a Salvadoran megaprison 32 days ago. But the justices pointedly stopped short of requiring the administration to “effectuate” Abrego Garcia’s return, in light of the “deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs.” They did so despite the fact that lawyers for the government have conceded that it had no legal basis to deport Abrego Garcia; in court, they have characterized his disappearance as an “administrative error,” as if shipping a man who has not been accused of a crime to an overseas gulag is the equivalent of neglecting to attach an itemized receipt to an expense report.
No but trust me bro he is caving. Trust me bro one more strongly worded letter and we defeat the Nazis trust me bro.
I think it is more that the supreme court is looking to collect more than one solid case where it is obvious the president isn’t listening. Because if they pull the trigger and explicitly order him to do something that he isn’t going to do, that will be the turning point. And at that point they only have to real ways to win. One is congressional impeachment, which is their best case outcome. The other is they order him held in contempt and order the marshals to enforce it. It’s not obvious who’s order the marshals will follow. But if they choose the president, then the supreme court has to deputize a force strong enough to arrest the president. And the pres will likely order the military to defend him, and arrest the supreme court. That will likely cause a split in the military between those who will follow that order and those who won’t because it’s the supreme court. And that leads to civil war. So they want to have overwhelming cases and such to persuade congress to act. And trumps popularity is dropping. So is his support even in his own party. So time is on the supreme courts side right now. They don’t want to pull the trigger until they are sure they will win.
Some of what you said makes sense but the problem is their position will never get stronger. They will never have more marshals than they have right now. And there will be fewer people in the military that support them in the future, because Trump is working hard to replace many military leaders. And they know all of this, which means they are cowards or they believe that Trump should be the dictator that he currently is.
I think it’s naive to think that “writing different words” would have any impact.
The impact would have been to highlight how feckless the checks and balances are.
I think you made that mistake of ending your sentence too quickly. Maybe you meant to say it would not have an impact on Trump’s actions over the next week or two. But in general, quite obviously it would have a huge impact.
That’s not to say that democracy would prevail. Nobody knows that. But the impact would have been real. And if you disagree with me, then why are we here in the first place? I think we’re here because we all know that the ruling would have a gigantic impact. It would have clarified the fact that Mr. Orange has effected a coup d’etat. That’s different from saying that he would be stopped, of course, but if you think there’s no possible way to make the situation better than why are you bothering to write here in the first place.
I don’t think it’s impossible to make the situation better. I think he’s dismantling the rule of law. For the entirety of the post industrial revolution era, we’ve been governed by words written down, but that was not the case of most of history. Before that, might governed. If you could do something and nobody could physically stop you, then you got your was. Trump is trying to take us back to that.
The only words to write are “Mr. President we find you in contempt of court.”
Just keep on holding presidents in contempt until you get someone rational. I think the first stop for that is Rubio.
the legislature cant charge the president with anything while in the official act of his duties. congress has to, and they wont
Legislature = congress.
Also I believe the judiciary CAN still hold him in contempt.
I missed typed. You are correct. Only the legislature Can prosecute trump in contempt As far as I know. I THINK they can hold the other parties in contempt
The Supreme Couet was the one who decided that and if Roe V Wade showed us anything they can undecide that.
But this court already ruled that. You’re letting emotion overcome fact
No I’m not. The Supreme Court can revisit old decisions
This is not the first time that the Executive branch has ignored Supreme Court orders. See Worcester v. Georgia and the dispute between Chief Justice Roger Taney and General Cadwalader.
The problem is that the Executive branch is (theoretically) supposed to uphold the decisions of the Judicial branch, but irl, enforcement of those decisions is easier said than done when the Executive branch disagrees.
It wouldn’t have changed their actions, but it would have rid them of any plausible deniability that they had committed contempt of the Supreme Court in doing so. It would have made the constitutional crisis that we ARE in undeniable, and even the idiots at Fox News couldn’t pretend that the administration followed the order by “allowing” his return if El Salvador just so happened to send him back. As it is now, you will have many MAGA believing that the administration is in compliance with the court’s orders and did nothing wrong. They would have at least had to face the truth if there was no wiggle room, and maybe some would actually acknowledge that the administration is in the wrong about this one thing at least.
No but doing it officially makes it clear where things sit right now.
Your highest courts have been stacked in favor of your dictator for some time. Revolt. Loudly and aggressively.
I think back to when RBG died and wow, I had no idea what we were in for.
You have a right to be pissed at that situation too. If she would have resigned what would your fate have been?
they got the tv, we got the truth
they own the judges, we got the proof
we got hella people, they got helacopters
they got hella bombs, we got the we got the…I’m beginning to hate the guillotine references while watching little actually get done. Y’all got a long way to go to get to your guillotine moment.
They learned. They put their Bastille in another country.
What was it you said you’d accomplished in your lifetime? Oh right, you vote while your government fucks over the First Nations. What heroism.
Yea you know me now and what I do cause you creeped some comments on an alt account that you didn’t even care to read because it’s not in line with your fucked up narrative. Fuck off. Just another cultist of a different variety and part of the reason you find yourself ruled by a dictator.
This is very confusing. Whose alt account? If yours, how would I know what it is? If mine, why would I need to use an alt account to see what your had written 4 hours before the comment I responded to?
You give a lot of unsolicited advice to Americans. I wanted to check if you were the French guy who’d gone to jail 4 times for rioting. No. you’re a guy who talks big about what other people should do to handle a shitty situation but haven’t done anything notable at home.
Yea and you’re a guy who stalks around believing they know people from a few comments on some posts online. It’s a very American point if view honestly. You know nothing about me. Perhaps I am the leader of an opposition party in my country. How the fuck would you even know. But assumptions…
Your american exceptionalism is the exact reason your country is ruled by a fascist dictator. I and my countrymen are the reason mine is not. That rioting French anarcho communist you speak of who went to prison four times for defending his rights…also why his country is not ruled by a dictator.
Have a great day. Enjoy the camps.
he said he “doesnt care, just your votes”
Can hitmen now claim administrative error and say they didn’t realize they wanted a photoshoot?
I for one cannot wait for Trump to die. It can’t come soon enough.
Be careful what you wish for. No matter how he goes, they’ll blame his death on “the left” and martyr him. It could actually make things much worse.
It’ll only pause shit for a week if he does. This isn’t his playbook.
But he’s the cult leader. There’s nobody else that the cult worships even half as much. Sure, there will be other men who try to fill the void, but it’s unlikely anybody could build his kind of following very quickly.
God, just writing that, I hope I don’t have to eat my words soon after he dies.
The only way the Supreme Court can save themselves is by ordering the arrest of the President
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