• chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    In the absolute worst case, the Dems are equally as bad as the GOP on Palestine (though I haven’t seen many Democrats support building Trump resorts over the rubble).

    In that worst case, then Palestine isn’t on the ballot, and you shouldn’t base your vote on it, but on everything else happening. The lesser of 2 evils isn’t an exciting vote, but it is, in fact, a lesser evil and preferable to the GOP.

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      8 days ago

      No, in the absolute best case, Dems will be even worse than Republicans so far. But still less bad then what Republicans would become if they got another term. So yes, vote for them, if it makes sense in your state. Just keep your expectations in check.

      Here’s the proof: (1) US capitalism at it’s current stage of decline absolutely needs fascism to survive. Profit rates are just too low, any semblance of democracy would be used by the people to prevent pushing real wages even lower, but that’s needed for the engine of the dying economy to sputter on. The empire is dying, no way around it. Like every single time fascism has occurred in history, it will rise this time too, to save capitalism in crisis.

      (2) The Democrats are a capitalist party.

      (3) Ergo, the Democrats will urgently push to hasten the march towards fascism.

      This is not even a prediction, just an observation, a simple statement of fact. You can’t reform your way out of the cold, mathematical laws of economics.

      Revolution is not a “fantasy”, it’s literally the only viable alternative to unimaginable suffering. Voting for Democrats can only serve to buy time to organize for real change. In the coming necessary struggle, Dems are the on the same side as Republicans and on the opposite side of humanity and life on earth.

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        8 days ago

        Dude, are you for real? Touch some grass, not everything in life is capitalism.

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          8 days ago

          Everything is touched by capitalism. I don’t understand how in the fuck that might make any US-American who knows what they’re doing not vote for Dems though.

          Capitalists might help fascists but fascists are fascists.

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            8 days ago

            Well, yeah, I agree that almost everything around us is either touched by or a product of capitalism. What I mean is that you can’t just say “everything is shit because it’s capitalism”.

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          8 days ago

          Capitalism currently controls nearly every aspect of society. We are all living in a fascist world, don’t get butthurt when it is pointed out.

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            7 days ago

            I don’t think people are butthurt it gets pointed out. The stupidity of how and the bias of what is the problem.

            People out here trying to act like the US is the only one who has done this. Many of these people try to act like other countries don’t court soft power, that this campaign to dissuade voting every election isn’t intentional and that the solution is to just let millions of people suffer so armchair activists can pretend they told you so.

            So it’s fucking stupid to cry capitalism at every turn when the issues are actually larger than capitalism and many of them actually aren’t from capitalism. Power structures in general, representation, honest and truthful information, greed for control and money. Those issues are way fucking bigger than capitalism, they’re basically timeless human struggles.

            Calling it all capitalism and throwing yourself in a fit over it is childish. The fuck is this 2010? People actually do want to push society forward not just make a new boogieman and act like if that’s gone we’ll have a utopia.

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              6 days ago

              That makes sense. I am well aware it is not just the US and a worldwide symptom of the worship of money over human beings.

              I agree that we need too move forward, but we can’t if people don’t know what is causing the problems. People have been propagandized to so much they don’t know where the truth begins or ends anymore.

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                6 days ago

                Definitely. It’s that class war shit, information control is the bread and butter for those bastards. If we undid capitalism new people would just find more ways to game the system against the majority.

                But also fuck capitalism

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                  6 days ago

                  Yeah the old socialism vs. capitalism debate needs to die. Not that socialism isn’t worthwhile, its just we are not going to get there anytime soon. We need a new paradigm that capitalists can accept so we can move beyond our current leverage economy.

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                    6 days ago

                    People need to understand political terms and social terms aren’t broad.

                    Policies can be capitalist in a socialist government. Governments can engage in a socialist movement and still be fascist.

                    They’re more adjectives than nouns.

      • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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        8 days ago

        Ergo, the Democrats will urgently push to hasten the march towards fascism…

        The Republicans are actually fucking fascist!!! You have to be joking here, right?