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Vote Blue, just don’t forget that we are still likely going to need to take to the streets and take action anyway in case Republicans do not step down peacefully, or they ratfucked your state’s elections.
Never forget that Republicans broke the social contract between us and our government by ignoring Due Process and breaking the very foundations of the trust in our legal system. They should not longer be protected by said Social Contract, they do not get to have Due Process after they wiped their asses with it.
No fanboying for any politicians, ever anymore. Not Obama, Biden, Newsome or Mamdami. They just need to shut the fuck up and do their jobs. Give them no rope, If they aren’t doing their jobs right, demonstrate, protest, strike, fuck their week up until they do their job. Being competent shouldn’t be treated as being exceptional.
What if the Democrat fails my purity test? Shouldn’t I punish the country?
Yes, and be sure to call anyone who disagrees a monster and idiot. Bonus points if after calling them an idiot you say something factually wrong like you’re dropping truth bombs. Then step outside and enjoy a victory smoke, the weather is wonderful this time of year in Moscow.
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I’m not sure being on foot in most US cities is a great idea. Car-centric design and low density means you can’t disrupt much and you’re basically caging yourself in for authorities with car to have their way with you. That’s probably why it’s encouraged. Meanwhile, like 20 cars strategically placed could shut down / turn to chaos a large city.
Protest in cars! Block the roads, enjoy the music, grab some snacks.
Remember the time we all voted blue and defeated Trump and then blue did nothing and here we are again?
We need to protest and call dem reps as much if not more than republicans, no matter which party holds the majority. We know Dems cave to pressure so we need the progressive electorate to apply it more than republicans do. We’re past the days of assuming these fuckwits will do their jobs correctly without public scrutiny. Once again history proves the price of freedom is constant vigilance.
Vote blue but elect progressives in primaries. One doesn’t need to be Einstein to figure that out.
So then you’re ready to organize and take up arms? Because I encourage you to do so. Voting is the small amount of violence direction allotted to you by the system. You should use the hell out of it, because it will be used against you otherwise.
However I agree its not enough, it’s the barest minimum of effort. Not the end all be all as many seem to treat it. So if you’re not voting, I assume you’re calling for direct violent action.
Though I suppose if that’s not it, as well. Then I assume you’re a Republican Agent, and frankly at that point what you deserve are the exact things you enable.
So what are you? What’s your point?
Some Americans will justify not voting by using Palestine as an example. Well, yeah, your dems suck too but it’s not a reason to not take action. Voting is easy enough, and at least it really works. Fantasizing about the Revolution won’t do shit.
Also voting is a way to shift the Overton window. If the left wing party has a thumping majority, those in the party with more radical views (like being against genocide /s) actually have room to manoeuvre and pressure their leader, or even to split off and form their own party.
The Overton window has been shifting to the right for 60 years because the “opposition” party keeps looking to court right wing votes and offers no challenge to capitalism. The Democrat party wasn’t even in full support of gay marriage until like 2012.
The “vote for the lesser evil, do nothing else, and never demand the party move left” option has seen the Overton window shift right consistently, yet here we are, hearing the same things again from the same people and you’re saying actually the opposite of this strategy will happen now for some reason.
People voted for “hope and change” in 2008 and got Barrack Obama and a Heritage Foundation health care reform. Then the reaction brought Trump.
Vote in more milquetoast liberals, and don’t be shocked when worse fascists start gaining ground because your candidates fail to even address the fundamental problem (capitalism), much less tackle it.
It still doesn’t mean you shouldn’t vote. All the other things you’re talking about are political actions that need citizens’ involvement. It’s a start, not a solution. After you vote, you don’t stop your political life.
+1. Organise and vote — don’t just do one.
many of them became rich, or wealthy if they voted with the gop on many things, they arnt going to let that go. thats why people have a hunch that closed door deals they often meet with mitch who was majority leader most of the time.
The rubber stamp Congress for the left in the US gave you the great society reforms, and Medicaid is still in place as a safety net for a huge number of Americans, and has been for 60 years. Even if the system is imperfect, it’s had a massive positive influence on the lives of Americans who’ve suffered under the current medical system. The point is that there hasn’t been consistent support for democrats over a number of elections since — Obama, Clinton and Biden is all there’s been over the past 60 years, so it’s clear that the American electorate that votes, both inside and outside the Democrat party, prefers republicans or republican-lites. So you end up with republican-lite or fascists because of apathy.
For a UK example, until recently the triple lock on pensions has sat untouched for far too long because it was considered electoral suicide to try and prise money from pensioners grasp because they vote consistently, despite broad consensus that it was a good idea.
Exactly. People can’t just fix everything in one go. And having a “left” majority will at least give a chance to shift the narrative.
I remember back in the 2010s the argument for not cracking down on the far right in the USA was that that would trigger a civil war. We saw on J6 how many would show up to fight on their side. They were all there. Now, unfortunately they control the military, so it’s much harder.
Coward liberals always paving the road for the fascists that come after them.
I’m getting people posting in trans communities telling me not to vote for democrats.
Makes you wonder what percentage of them are foreign adversaries trying to weaken the US (and its allies) - or simply help fascism - by helping the GOP.
Sure, they all say they simply want the US to stop being fascist, but telling people not to vote for Democrats in the General definitely isn’t helping that.
Ukraine should bomb another Yandex datacenter.
Won’t help, they don’t really have an incentive to host their shit on Yandex anymore. Even if there was anything in the first place, I’ve yet to find a good proof of bot activity being disrupted during those bombings. Don’t get me wrong, it would be a very good story, but SWEs in Russia can be pretty competent.
Maybe destroying a datacenter used by VK would help disrupt the spread of propaganda inside Russia.
VK has its own infra in Mail.Ru datacenters. And because they’ve been serving the government in a larger extent (VK is basically your direct line to FSB), it’s pretty strange that Yandex was targeted instead.
You can’t say that, it threatens the lives of our “friends” over at .ml
This is really why I keep commenting. I’m usually lurking on any platform but it’s so easy to manipulate the narrative with bots, I feel like I have to voice those OBVIOUS things out.
Some communities/instances work furiously to ensure those voices are boosted and ours are suppressed.
Pop an echo chamber bubble, watch the ban come.
Same people, different disguise, specially on Lemmy.
Some Americans will justify not voting by using Palestine as an example.
Don’t forget foreigners posing as Americans to help encourage voter apathy among Americans (so the GOP can win).
Bus stop metaphor. Even if we cant take a train directly where we need to get to, at least we can take a bus in the correct direction.
Best mental description ever. Even self described republicans can surely grasp this idea to be rid of what we have now. I’m heading over to the Library this afternoon to vote early :) ive never voted a straight ticket before. Sort of excited.
Bus stop metaphor. Even if we cant take a train directly where we need to get to, at least we can take a bus in the correct direction.
This assumes there is a bus going in the correct direction instead of two buses both going in the wrong direction at different speeds.
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In the absolute worst case, the Dems are equally as bad as the GOP on Palestine (though I haven’t seen many Democrats support building Trump resorts over the rubble).
In that worst case, then Palestine isn’t on the ballot, and you shouldn’t base your vote on it, but on everything else happening. The lesser of 2 evils isn’t an exciting vote, but it is, in fact, a lesser evil and preferable to the GOP.
No, in the absolute best case, Dems will be even worse than Republicans so far. But still less bad then what Republicans would become if they got another term. So yes, vote for them, if it makes sense in your state. Just keep your expectations in check.
Here’s the proof: (1) US capitalism at it’s current stage of decline absolutely needs fascism to survive. Profit rates are just too low, any semblance of democracy would be used by the people to prevent pushing real wages even lower, but that’s needed for the engine of the dying economy to sputter on. The empire is dying, no way around it. Like every single time fascism has occurred in history, it will rise this time too, to save capitalism in crisis.
(2) The Democrats are a capitalist party.
(3) Ergo, the Democrats will urgently push to hasten the march towards fascism.
This is not even a prediction, just an observation, a simple statement of fact. You can’t reform your way out of the cold, mathematical laws of economics.
Revolution is not a “fantasy”, it’s literally the only viable alternative to unimaginable suffering. Voting for Democrats can only serve to buy time to organize for real change. In the coming necessary struggle, Dems are the on the same side as Republicans and on the opposite side of humanity and life on earth.
Dude, are you for real? Touch some grass, not everything in life is capitalism.
Everything is touched by capitalism. I don’t understand how in the fuck that might make any US-American who knows what they’re doing not vote for Dems though.
Capitalists might help fascists but fascists are fascists.
Well, yeah, I agree that almost everything around us is either touched by or a product of capitalism. What I mean is that you can’t just say “everything is shit because it’s capitalism”.
Capitalism currently controls nearly every aspect of society. We are all living in a fascist world, don’t get butthurt when it is pointed out.
I don’t think people are butthurt it gets pointed out. The stupidity of how and the bias of what is the problem.
People out here trying to act like the US is the only one who has done this. Many of these people try to act like other countries don’t court soft power, that this campaign to dissuade voting every election isn’t intentional and that the solution is to just let millions of people suffer so armchair activists can pretend they told you so.
So it’s fucking stupid to cry capitalism at every turn when the issues are actually larger than capitalism and many of them actually aren’t from capitalism. Power structures in general, representation, honest and truthful information, greed for control and money. Those issues are way fucking bigger than capitalism, they’re basically timeless human struggles.
Calling it all capitalism and throwing yourself in a fit over it is childish. The fuck is this 2010? People actually do want to push society forward not just make a new boogieman and act like if that’s gone we’ll have a utopia.
That makes sense. I am well aware it is not just the US and a worldwide symptom of the worship of money over human beings.
I agree that we need too move forward, but we can’t if people don’t know what is causing the problems. People have been propagandized to so much they don’t know where the truth begins or ends anymore.
Definitely. It’s that class war shit, information control is the bread and butter for those bastards. If we undid capitalism new people would just find more ways to game the system against the majority.
But also fuck capitalism
Ergo, the Democrats will urgently push to hasten the march towards fascism…
The Republicans are actually fucking fascist!!! You have to be joking here, right?
Too soon dude, save it for after the resource wars.
Sounds about right to me.
Even at worst, where your candidate doesn’t win, it wouldn’t hurt anything.
At least you’d be doing something, compared to doing nothing.
Voting is easy enough, and at least it really works
Provided your definition of “works” is to preserve an untenable status quo against the people who want to make it worse, then sure.
For those of us looking for actual improvement, voting hasn’t “worked” in over 50 years.
Get the fuck out of here with your fascist apologia bullshit. “BuT vOtInG dOeSn’T wOrK” in a thread literally about voting working. What the fuck do you expect to accomplish with that pathetic, defeatist loser attitude? “Oohh waaah voting doesn’t help so I’ll just sit here and do nothing but discourage everyone else around me to not vote either and then complain more when things get worse and worse”
Wallow in your misery by yourself instead of trying to drag an entire country into your whiny bitchbaby bullshit too
Lol, keep doing the thing that hasn’t worked for 50 years, I’m sure it’ll start working any day now!
The only thing voting for Neoliberal ghouls accomplishes is making it easier for Fascists to win the next election. Liberalism and Fascism are two sides of the same coin, that’s why Liberals always happily compromise with fascists but will never compromise with socialists.
Lol, stay mad tho. That rage will be very useful to you once you finally realize for yourself that the people with all the wealth and power will never allow you to vote it away.
Typical ml user
Typical. world user.
See how silly that sounds?
The commie is on the commie instance, more on this developing story as it unfolds…
Also the fake leftists who, by a complete coincidence (/s), do their best to have exactly the effect Darling Donnie trump wants them to have on anyone left of Newt Gingritch.
Keep sucking off Wall Street, ShitLib. It’s only made life worse for the last fifty years, but surely that’ll turn around any day now…
Sorry, that’s not commie points you’re regurgitating. Just idiot points.
“Anyone opposed to continuing to do the thing that’s been making things worse for forty years is an idiot” and other very serious Liberal thoughts.
Step 1: don’t vote
Step 2: ???
Step 3: ???
Step 4: ??? (But please don’t vote! 🥺)
Vote or don’t. But don’t kid yourself it changes anything but aesthetics, and don’t disappear back to the brunch spot when your preferred Neoliberal ghouls win an election.
Then get your ass out of your La-Z-Boy, throw on your slippers and go vote for actual progressive candidates instead of complaining how unfair the world is like your opinion matters more than a dog’s wet fart. You sit there and act like you’re such an enlightened genius because you realize both sides are bad, so instead of doing something to change either of the sides, you sit around and encourage everyone else to sit around and just bitch about it. Unless you’re doing literally anything to try and change literally anything, you can shove this pro-fascist garbage up your own ass and stop trying to convince other people that doing nothing is the right choice. Fucking loser attitude
I spent a decade working my ass off for progressive candidates. Which means I know how the party actually works and how it prevents anyone who isn’t a Third Way Foundation certified Neoliberal ghoul from ever getting to touch any real power.
You should do the same. You’ll learn the same lesson and you’ll become another bitter middle aged communist arguing online with children who think their 10th grade civics class understands of politics qualifies them to tell you anything at all.
For someone who claims to have 10 years of political experience, you sure seem to be pretty ignorant of the point of voting or how it works. As someone with actual experience, I can confidently say you’re an idiot making shit up to try to interfere with elections
What’s your actual experience? You clearly don’t understand how the power structures in the Democratic Party work, your “actual experience” is what, phone banking and maybe door knocking?
If you actually know anything about it, then refute my central point: the Democratic Party as an institution exists to protect Wall St, and while Progressives are welcome aboard as long as they keep the left flank reliably voting “Blue No Matter Who”, they will never be allowed to have any real power inside the party or any real influence on policy. Explain how I’m wrong if you actually know anything at all about who controls what in the Democratic Party.
You make an amazing amount of assumptions about other people while highlighting your own ignorance. You’re the reason we’re where we are.
highlighting your own ignorance
What ten year period did you spend working on campaigns for Democratic candidates? What other bona fides do you have to talk about party politics and the organization of the Democratic Party as a whole with any authority?
Seems to me like you’re the one highlighting your ignorance by dismissing someone with a lot more relevant experience in the subject at hand with nothing but a “nuh-uh!!”.
And that means that like I’ve been saying all along, you and everyone else happily accepting narratives from billionaire owned media are the actual reason we’re here.
I question these comments when I read them.
Do you live in the US?
I can promise you it was much different under Obama, Biden and Clinton.
I do live in the US. And the only thing that was different under them was that it was closer in time to the time when the USSR existed and capital had to compromise with labor to keep labor from revolting. The further we get, the more compromised are rolled back (by both parties, regardless of who’s nominally in power), the worse it seems, but that’s just linear time, not Dem administrations being better.
You know where things were absolutely not any better under Obama, Biden, or Clinton? Anywhere outside the Imperial Core. I promise the people of Libya are not thanking Obama and Hillary for bringing open air slave markets to Tripoli, the people of Gaza aren’t thanking Biden for turbocharging their genocide, fucking nobody with a brain thinks Clinton did anything good for anyone but his Wall St donors. To say
I can promise you it was much different under Obama, Biden and Clinton.
Is to say that you don’t see people outside the US and Western Europe as fully human.
Lmfao. Bro you’re cooked. No idea what you’re talking about. Just rah rah rah talking points!
Your inability to understand simple concepts is a you problem, not a problem with the concepts.
I do live in the US
Highly unlikely
“Anyone who doesn’t regurgitate the billionaire owned media narrative is a dirty foreigner or subhuman bot”
What a very serious and not at all insane political philosophy you have there.
Lol, we’re simply making observations. But that’s a cute deflection.
You could try going back to what I originally wrote and responding to its actual substance instead of dismissing any criticism you don’t have a talking point to counter as bots and evil foreigners, but I doubt you will.
Are you doing anything about it? How do you actually see it happening? Real questions.
And yeah, I mean, it’s a shitty vote, but it’s harmless to go and just do it. It CAN be worse if you don’t. Fuck, even my compatriots vote while being under dictatorship.
And now Trump wants to nominate Orban as UN general secretary. WTF.
It’s a same thing, both Orban and Trump works for Putin.
I wonder if Orban fucked kids too
They’re both part of the Fascista International.
Also orban was the middleman for putin for funding things like cpac, and dailywire, and other right wing grifters, funny how they mostly became quiet and in disarray ever since thier faucet was turned off.
Please please please, America. Get your orange, shit stained, geriatric, pedo rapist, despotini
into an electric chair,prison,care, under control. We’re begging you! -The rest of the worldIf only the Democrats weren’t a fundamental part of our long corrupt political system! That would be so cool.
I voted. Democrats will take the house. They won’t reform shit, watch and learn.
Don’t forget! If you type bOtH sIdEs you win so be sure to respond with that.
They will if they are more afraid of the public than their donors. (Obviously I would never condone throwing a brick through a congressional rep’s window though, I disavow all political violence for legal reasons)
Yep, neoliberal gonna neoliberal. They can at least ease the gas on all the nasty social rhetoric but they will not make any significant difference in the capital engine powering it all underneath.
I’m not saying “Don’t vote, nothing changes!”, I am just saying, temper your expectations.
Hungary, Brazil, Serbia, Slovenia, possibly Israel, have all rejected Right Wing governments, and Europe has been fighting hard against Right Wing challenges. The Right is struggling hard, and generally not winning. Their biggest prize, the United States, is working to reject them as well.
Do you know the party landscape in Israel?
Netanyahu’s party won.
As was expected with the recently imposed blockade and most of the Israeli population being pro-Zionism
For what it is worth the Serbian incumbent led the neoliberals and the student list coalition is a big tent opposition movement. And the Slovenian election saw a shift towards the far-right with a supporter of the outgoing Vucic in Serbia gaining the seats the incumbent lost.
Even in Brazil, with Lula’s win you also see a swing in their parliament of liberal parties falling to far-right part gains.
There’s positivity abounds with these elections, but let’s be clear: The Right is only struggling if the billionaire class is struggling.
I propose a very simple thing. Use AIPAC tracker to decide who to vote for. Only vote for people who’ve taken 0$ from AIPAC.
Sauce for aipac tracker por favor
There are multiple services, which may count the contributions differently, so you’ll probably want to consult more than one or at least compare criteria to see which one best fits your definition. The two dominant ones seem to be:
You should still cast a vote in all elections. Write in “anyone who isn’t APAIC” or something.
But if I vote for 60% of my interests then I still loose!!?!
Choice 1: 60%
Choice 2: 30%
Not choosing: 0%
Choose wisely.
I think/hope it was sarcasm.
11% sarcasm
Too bad y’all can’t vote for president tho.
I can’t vote, it’s illegal for me to
Then don’t vote go where your vote matters?
Wait, are you saying your a felon and can’t vote for that reason? I’m confused.
Grumble grumble, guess I’ve got to hand this one to the liberals.
Genuinely curious, has hungary managed to undo any of orban’s meddling in the interceding months? I assume the answer is no.
Actually Peter Magyar, the new president, pass laws to ban Orban from returning to power and purged Orban-appointed officials.
the new president
He’s the prime minister. President of Hungary is András Baka.
It will take years of work, but they made a great start on it.
So voting was a complete failure for 16 out of 17 years?
Exactly! For 16 years in a row the “don’t bother to vote” people got direct and repeated proof of just how useless and stupid that plan was.
It wasn’t until people got so sick of it that they finally decided to do something useful instead of just sitting around and complaining.Just like the U.S! This doesn’t mean you shouldn’t vote.
Kind of what I was thinking. He had a good run and finally got ran out. He got almost two decades of corruption in. This was a win for him and corruption.
