I do see people’s point about America just being such a passive or incredibly violent country. But, when I went out to the protest, I did notice that you had anarchist, grannies and liberals in the same setting. So we gotta watch and see what happens over time. But I mean, I think collective suffering is going to push people to the edge. Which eventually will awaken something, I hope. In the meantime, I have my eyes set on Europe. At least the cheeseburger kings bday party was an absolute flop. You can see it in his face. Trump is such a little baby bitch.
Big kudos to the No Kings protestors. The parade for Krasnov received what is deserved, it was fucking lame.
Hahahha. I see on Russian forums - they call organization a “communal farm style”, and that it looked more like a prisoner of war walk.
That looks like a bigger crowd than trump’s birthday war parade.
Might be a bigger crowd than Trump’s inauguration too
Republicans should be terrified at this point. The protests are peaceful … for now.
…nah man, they’re just itching for an excuse to roll out deadly force and mass voter suppression…
Yes wait a little bit longer to actually do something. LOL
And this is after they “cancelled” it.
As someone now living in Europe, I find the US protests mild and small. When Europeans protest, they protest. I mean, my native Greece saw a massive protest in Feb, well over a million went out, in a country of ~9 million. This is how you do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm3vEKMnA-8
What you’re failing to understand is the USA is so gigantic that you can’t really get people that don’t have a lot of money in one spot easily. It’s costly to fly/drive to one place. Greece is tiny in comparison. We had people protesting in the millions throughout the USA this weekend but not all together in the same place as I said it’s just too damn expensive.
Are you going to help pay to organize that sort of thing or just not think about the logistics of it all and say random things on the internet because you possibly dislike the USA or something and just felt like taking a little internet jab? USA citizens have had enough and were trying to organize everywhere we can. Greece isn’t even bigger than Texas which is just 1 of the 50 states to put it into perspective for you.
Anyways keep it up USA I’m rooting for you guys to pull through “I have friends everywhere”
Also here’s a tidbit of the protests this weekend https://i.imgur.com/vR41TqH.gifv
Also fact check as of this post it was the third most attended protest in USA history https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstrations_in_the_United_States_by_size
Damn, that’s huge. I didn’t even know there were any.
I don’t think that was the point. The point was that one ninth of the population was on the street. That’s over 11%.
To be at the same scale the US being a country of ~340 millions should have a protest of almost 38 millions people.In smaller country people may be able to protest together more easily but usually they manifest locally, in their own town or the closest city.
Yep, people dont think about that. Greece is the size of Alabama lol.
USA = 9.8 million kilometers
Greece = 132,000 kilometers
You’re basically watching a whole country (re)learn how to do this. Most of us have had it good for a long time, up until very recently. You’re seeing a lot of first-timers in every one of these protests, as the movement grows. Give it time.
The problem, the Americans work too much. If they had the vacation days like the Europeans, these protests would turn French. The demonstrations in Germany are weak compared to the French too.
…and in France we get maimed by tear gas grenades and rubber bullets for it. Yay.
Now that’s a beautiful protest. Very nice, MN!
I was a Why don’t you fucking protest!?-guy here on Lemmy and I am not, anymore. It takes time to organize. This is beautiful, I’m proud of you. Keep it up!
The media doesn’t cover protests. Most local channels are owned by mega corps like Sinclair.
The problem is that information outlets are owned by bad actors.
Fortunately Sinclair only has 1 station in Minnesota, WUCW, which is not one of the big ones where most people get their news (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX).
I think they’re dead last in news market share.
The protests have been all over the news?
Depending on the area. National yes, but look at how local outlets are reporting on them. Lawton OK had one and their local outlets barely covered it par exemple.
As long at they keep it up now. If this is it, if this is all, it won’t do anything
I’m just glad there was a protest I didn’t hear about after the fact. Or like the morning of.
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Yeah same, Americans are finally kind of getting off their asses and doing something. I don’t think it’s gonna be enough but it’s better than nothing.
Crowds like this have been protesting for months. I saw similar images from various cities at the first 50501 protest. As another commenter posted, media simply hasn’t been covering them.
Please don’t confuse a lack of coverage for a lack of protests.
There were even protests in my tiny town. People have been protesting a lot. Hell, they had a massive one in LA just this week. Anyone who says Americans have not been protesting needs to find different media sources unless the ones used are not meant for international coverage. My workplace is even staging a protest soon.
I don’t understand why you’re getting down-voted. Living abroad and have stopped listening to news since the Trump election. Every 6 months I tune in, and while it seems a lot has happened, no progress has actually been made
this seems cool, but… so what? cute photo op and a tale for the grandkids…
Exactly. How many peaceful demonstrations that change nothing are they gonna have before they realize what they have to do?
Can I get this side by side with trump’s inaugurations please
I was there!
I wondered if that was you! I knew you looked familiar!
are you a beautiful tree
Wow don’t dox yourself man
It’s too late I’ve got his social security number
Proof: it contains numbers
ICE is on rout to send him to El Slavidore.
Did the arrow taunt you specifically for a reason? Did you steal its tater casserole?
We do not eat “tater casserole.”
We eat tater tot hotdish.
All tater hotdishes are casseroles
Not all casseroles are tater hotdishes
Ain’t nobody ever eating “casserole” anywhere in Minnesota. We eat hot dish here. If you do make a “casserole” in Minnesota, a circle of Lut’ern church ladies will burn your Minnesotan card and make you move to Wisconsin.
But will they be Minnesota nice while they do so?
Of course. We are nothing, if not stoically nice when we exile someone.
That’s hilarious, I learned about that not too long ago. Can you give me a good recipe, I want to try one.
Brown a pound of hamburger. Mix it with 2 cans cream of chicken or mushroom or broccoli or whatever cream of soup you like.
Line a casserole dish with tater tots. Add your creamy meat amalgamation and spread it all over the top of the tots. Then add another layer of tots on top. Cover with shredded cheese and bake it covered with foil for however long the tot bag says to bake them. Then uncover and broil it to crust up the cheese.
This is just a base mind you. You can add stuff to it to your hearts content. Add green beans to make yourself feel better about this carb nuke you’re about to consume. Top with canned biscuits to make a pot pie. etc.
This is my favorite recipe, the cheddar cheese soup kicks it up a notch.
I’m proud of you.
I found Waldo!
This is incredible.
“small protest, one of the smallest. My speeches are bigger, much biggly”
-turnip
Welll… It’s honestly not that big. The entire turnout across the States was not that big. The two anti Brexit protests in London had about 1.5 million participants and Britain has a much smaller population. Most Americans don’t seem to care.
London population: 8.8 million
Twin cities combined population: 3.6 million
London public transport: pretty damn good, connections everywhere, not an insane price
Twin cities public transport: almost non-existant, insane parking prices
London police: sometimes reasonable and lightly armed
Twin cities police: notoriously corrupt, heavily armed, use constant excessive force on civilians
Mystery solved.
The count’s are coming in but I’m seeing more than 11million people protested throughout the usa.
Do you think the photo you’re seeing is the entirity of this protest? I think you don’t actually grasp the size of the US.
This is a small turnout, relatively speaking (this one was “cancelled” so I imagine it would have even had more). I went to one in a pretty centrist-right leaning town (Much much smaller than Minneapolis… Like hundreds of times smaller), and our turnout was about the same as this photo.
Go look at the turnout for Philadelphia.
I haven’t seen any nationwide estimates yet, but I can pretty much guarantee that it was at least more than 1 million people. at least
Assuming you actually give a shit and aren’t just here to sow division.
Edit: I’m now seeing figures of around 4-6 million people total, with some places estimating as many as 12 million.
It’s the biggest protest I’ve seen in America in my lifetime. Glad to be a part of it.
There’s a little bit of a difference in the police response to protests between the two
It would be more incredible if those people were armed and swarming the studios of radical fascist media and beating the hell out of pro-trump talking heads.
Standing around waving signs and cheerleading shitty chants does nothing and will be forgotten in a week.
All this pro-violence rhetoric seems to be confusing correlation for causation.
Okay then you tell me in what scenario a corrupt fascist country of blithering idiots will suddenly decide “oh wow perhaps we should be voting for positive change for all and embrace others in an spirit of patriotic and brotherly love!”? The country has been screaming “GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS!” for a hundred years or more and continually voted to allow more money in politics, and then spent even more money and passed laws to allow more money in politics and set up an entire media universe to tell everyone that only those with excessive amounts of money are good people and are the only ones who should lead government.
How is YOUR way working out?
History has overwhelmingly shown that non-violence is more successful than violence. You do you.
I don’t think that’s true. There were violent riots accompanying every major social change in at least recent history.
And famously, it took an entire fucking war to end slavery in the United States.
Often it’s the shadow of violence that is most effective. A peaceful protest, that is safe enough for families etc is perfect for snowballing. Focused action and the threat of counter violence keeps the government in check.
Too violent, and the support collapsed, letting the police simply overwhelm it. Too passive, and the whole thing can be ignored.
The Irish troubles are a good example. Protests and marches showed popular support. While the Sinn Fein party provided a political face. The IRA then made sure that proper attention was paid. All 3 were required to achieve their goals.
Now we are debt slaves instead. Success.
I’m wary to use terms like debt slavery or wage slavery because it downplays the horrors of actual slavery.
Yeah there are certainly logistical comparisons that could be made, but like c’mon… actually being completely and legally owned would suck so so so so much worse. Just another reminder of what’s at stake if we don’t put up a fight.
it took an entire fucking war to end slavery in the United States.
Well… how’s that going?
A hell of a lot better than before that’s for sure.
if you confused about slavery legality in the united states, slavery is illegal.
hope this helps you.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2020/10/how-private-prisons-profit-from-forced-labor
It’s still kinda legal, just takes some extra steps and signatures, and a bribed judge - of which there are many.
That’s also setting aside people that are effectively slaves to low wages, unable to do anything but work with no chance for upward mobility.
Well I mean, slavery is still illegal. Black people are able to vote, hold office, own property, etc.
There’s still a lot of social injustice to solve but there’s been a lot of progress, albeit slow.
The lesson is to not take your boot off of the vanquished evil.
good point.
The more I learn about history, the more I learn that violence changed things 99% of the time since before the Roman Empire.
Also after
And during
Oh by saying “since before” I meant to imply “until today” hahaha
Ah makes sense haha
Honestly “and forever” >w<
Into the exact same regime with a new color of paint?
Can you give one example where non-violence caused actual long standing change with 0 violence?
Norway leaving the union with Sweden in 1905 is famously one of the very few times secession was done non-violently. But to be fair there was large political pressure from Swedish socal democrats that urged the king not to go to war and the Sweds and Norwegians liked each other and remained good friends and allies afterwards.
Maybe if both parties start to work on the relationship and get friendly right away, then you could maybe have a peaceful resolution in 50 to 100 years time.
How about several?
Youre really going to post the most controversial study there is because they cherry picked data?
Please give me one actual example of where the people toppled the government and enacted change… through non-violent protesting.
Moving the goal posts yeah yeah yeah. Give me an article or proof then of 1 single thing that caused real, permanent change, like I originally asked. Not some mass “several” article.
Absolutely not. History has shown that violence works. The Sufragettes protested peacefully for 40 years with no result whatsoever. They won because they became violent. The French revolution was a success because they resorted to violence. The American revolution was a success because they resorted to violence. Peaceful demonstrations don’t work, sorry guys.
The French revolution is a perfect example of what is wrong with violent revolution. Power vacuums attract the kind of people that will do anything for power. Not to mention the chaos and confusion that came with the actual process of revolution.
The French revolution was a success because they resorted to violence.
Are you sure it was a success? How come it seems like people immediately stopped studying French history before Napoleon comes in and tears it all down?
Edit: Oh look its you. I see you.
No it hasnt. Power doesnt abdicate itself because you begged
Protest aren’t begging. They are a demonstration of capacity for action.
My city has had good turnout for a few protests in the last few months, but yesterday was the first time we took to the streets and caused a few traffic jams. I know it isn’t much, but it is an escalation. It was like scratching an itch, and I’m ready for whatever’s next.
Violence is far more successful, historically speaking.
it may be more successful short-term, like a king getting into power because of a coup. but if the king isn’t well liked, he has a difficult life. peaceful progress, on the other hand, brings lasting progress.
It also tends to beget more violence.
What specifically are you talking about?
This is correct.
Don’t do violence.
Think of different ways of non-violence and do them.
More people visible at a cancelled protest than some ego-stroking event that happened in DC…
Americans should be proud of this. This is beautiful.
First time in my adult life I’m genuinely proud to be an american.
I heard that the protests in MN were cancelled, which seems like a cut and dry tactical misstep from protest organizers to me, but I haven’t been able to find a lot of details.
This doesn’t look cancelled.
Anyone on the ground know more details?
We all knew about the stay home advisory. A lot of folk were only more determined to gather, and there was a general understanding that if there was an attack, it would throw gasoline on the movement as a whole. Crowd energy is weird.
Plus I spent three hours making my sign.
I was there. The organizers were sending updates to anyone who RSVPed. I don’t like the idea of RSVPing for something like this, but I did. They announced before the event that they had cancelled any elected officials who were planning to speak. They also said something like, “If you are told that the event is cancelled, that is just a rumor.”
Several officials did speak and they were pretty epic, honestly. I don’t know if they announced the cancellation as a red herring and had everyone speak as planned, or if the speakers I saw were the late replacements. IMO this was a much bigger crowd than the first Hands Off protest.
They announced before the event that they had cancelled any elected officials who were planning to speak. They also said something like, “If you are told that the event is cancelled, that is just a rumor.”
Ah, thank you! That makes a lot more sense to me now.
Interesting. I’m in small town VA, and moved house today, and am pretty keenly feeling frustration that I couldn’t show up today. Searching for local actions, I landed on the base nokings.org page at some point, where there was a bright red banner saying that MN events that weren’t already started were canceled at Tim Walz’ recommendation, because the assassin was still at large. I can’t say what time I saw that, I looked for news several times today
According to various news reports, the suspect’s car had a manifesto, a hit list of people to target (one report said the list had a bunch of politicians, another said the list had a bunch of pro-choice activists), and apparently the car also had a bunch of No Kings signs in it. I’m guessing they thought he was going to slip into a protest and try to hurt people?
Something important to know about the two people who were shot: until her death, Melissa Hortman was a member of the Minnesota State House of Representatives; and John Hoffman is a member of the Minnesota State Senate. Both were Democrats.
And up until they were shot, the Minnesota House had 134 Members: 66 Republicans vs 67 Democrats (with one seat empty to be filled later). And the Minnesota Senate had 67 members: 33 Republicans and 34 Democrats. If the assassinations had both been successful, both chambers would have been tied. As it is, they’re only saying that Hoffman is “stable”, but there are no further details.
I’d heard it was over flyers in a car but I was hoping there was more to it than that. That’s a pretty flimsy threat to be capitulating to when we’re fighting murderous fascists, and sets a bad precedent.
I was not aware of how thin dem majorities were. That’s very important context, thank you.
I know a bunch of people who went in st. Paul, and in Duluth there was definitely people out with signs. Can’t cancel freedom yo!
I was gonna go but heard they were cancelled too because of the shootings this morning
Now do it again.
