• Anomalocaris@lemm.eeOP
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    8 hours ago

    Ukraine did it under the promise that US will protect them.

    trump proved the world that relying on the US is a stupid ass idea and that nukes are more valuable than American promises

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      4 hours ago

      Counterpoint: Nukes are not providing Iran or North Korea any value. In fact it may very well be the justification for why they get wiped off the map.

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        3 hours ago

        North Korea has nukes and it never gets invaded and gets aid sent to it. Iran doesn’t have nukes and it is regularly attacked.

        I’d say their presence adds very clear value to the example country that actually has them.

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          North Korea is surrounded by allied China on one side and proper democracies on the other, but has come close to war many times such as when they bombed an inter-korean liaison office in 2020.

          I will repeat that the justification being used to attack Iran is Nuclear Weapons. It is not protecting them, it is the reason they are being attacked, and it also directly benefits hostile dictatorship Russia because they’re willing providers of nuclear weapons. Iran is being Grifted.

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            You keep writing like they have them and thats why they are being attacked. Its specifically because they dont yet have them that they are being attacked. If they already had them like North Korea, their situation would be more similar. I doubt people would be bombing them, in the same way people aren’t bombing North Korea despite it acting very hostile and making direct threats.

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              What I’m saying is that Iran should take initiative to deny Nuclear weapons programs and make promises not to pursue it in the future, like they did during the Obama Administration except this time with European nations and NATO members who would likely jump at the opportunity to weaken Eastern influence on the Middle East.

              Instead, what is going to happen is they’re going to double down and place all their bets on Russia and China, leading into a wider war.

              It’s one of those situations where the correct choice is probably the hardest one.

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        4 hours ago

        counter counter point, no one dares wipe off North Korea,

        because US wiping north Korea means the end of LA.

        are you aware of MAD?

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          4 hours ago

          Does it sound like a manchild like Trump cares about MAD? We’re on the precipice of a forever war, world war 3, or possibly even total annihilation of life on earth and you’re sitting there saying everything is great because hyper aggressive nations have nukes.

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                3 hours ago

                ideally yes,

                but given US leading escalations and ignoring its promises it is stupid for any nation to do so.

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                  3 hours ago

                  It absolutely is not stupid to do so because the nukes are providing no value and instead dragging them into conflicts.

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                    3 hours ago

                    look at Ukraine, they had nukes, US promised to protect them if they get rid of them.

                    trump is too busy sucking Putin’s boot.

                    why aren’t you asking yhe US to eliminate its nukes? UK? Israel? South Africa?