How come Star Wars gets a fuck ton of shitty sequels but the first TRON film in 15 years is a flop? I was waiting for this film since I was a child.
I mean no one likes him but if it was good that wouldn’t be a deal breaker.
I’ll watch it eventually for the soundtrack, but Jared gives me the creeps.
It’s not always Jared Leto’s fault when his movies bomb. Easy scapegoat for the everyone else involved, fron the writer to director to producer, to just blame him and pretend no one else fucked it up.
I 1000000000% didn’t and won’t go see this movie because of him.
And after cancelling D+ and Hulu last month because they fucked up the Kimmel thing, it may be years before I see it, who knows!
But, initially, when I saw Leto in the trailer that was a quick “nope” from me, dawg.
Tron has always been awful.
Yes.
Yes Jared Leto is to blame. BUT not only him. The writing and directing are still going to determine the bulk of how it plays out. A good director will be able to direct Leto into something usable if imperfect.
Leto was a producer. He pulled rank on the director.
Didn’t know that. That definitely makes it fall much more squarely on him. Dude has been such a let down for me after starting off so well, both with the band and with requiem.
Creativity at disney is moribund and nothing can fix it without getting rid of the old dead growth. Get rid of iger and similar execs like kennedy. They degrade any project. They dont love the products they produce. I remember one time kennedy commenting on star wars that there wasn’t enough source material. Her problem was she would have to pay for it and thinks the writers are not important. That kind of weak thinking is stagnating disney. It will continue until these fossils are gone.
they also pump out so much low-quality garbage too, rather then focusing on 1-3 IP movies , but streaming cost means it demands more content each year.
Tron never was a thing and Disney keeps trying to make it a thing. The concept was cool in the 80s but no one has cared since the property.
I’m just glad Hollywood hasn’t made remakes of Flight of the Navigator and Neverending story.
Neverending story
Hate to be that guy but:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_NeverEnding_Story_II:_The_Next_Chapter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_NeverEnding_Story_III
II is though more of a shitty sequel but III is a shitty original story.
And finally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_NeverEnding_Story_(film)#Possible_remake
Ackchtually… :-)
The first movie is the first HALF of the original book, and the second movie is the second half.
They sliced an (awesome) ending into the middle of the book, and the vibes of the second movie were different, but it was authentic to the book.
Now as for the THIRD movie, your point is legit. (Also fun to note, it has Jack Black as a street punk.)
Those are shitty sequels. I saw one of them. I mean full out reboot.
As dar as I could see, III was an original story. But bidding has been won for a remake so we might get one in 3-5 years.
But neverending story has limitless franchise potential - it’s right there in the title! Lol
Is Jared Leto to Blame?
Yes.
Disney didn’t know wtf to do with Tron. I thought Legacy was a great addition to the universe, but this time around it was nothing more than skipping to the end of the Marvel universe with the Boss Battle bent on world domination with flashy CGI characters. Couldn’t have possible chose a worse or more boring addition to the franchise. Ruined it, IMO, and I have been a Tron fan since forever.
Legacy was good and a fine launching pad for squeals. They should have used Tron: The Next Day as a starting point for any addition. It’s not as well known, but The Next Day was a bonus added to the physical release of Legacy to pitch the next movie.
This is a funny headline after getting a commercial for 'Tron: Ares, the best selling movie this year"
I’m not a big Leto fan. He’s not the worst actor, but he’s by no means great. But Gary Oldman couldn’t have made this movie work. The problem isn’t the acting, it’s the script. The movie felt like it was designed and written by a marketing committee. Everything about it is formulaic and hollow.
Leto was a long term producer of Ares. He had a say in all those things.
But Gary Oldman couldn’t have made this movie work.
You could think the same about the 5th element.
I mean, he’s also a sex pest. Maybe that’s why people didn’t want to see it.
That’s certainly never affected box office receipts before now…
That’s something that Disney regularly has a problem with. They used to find interesting, compelling stories that writers were excited to create.
Now, most of their films are being pushed from the top to expand their known IPs or messaging. The story has become secondary to the product.
Bob Iger said just a couple years back that they had a few flops with new ideas and we’re going to focus on existing IPs and brands. He’s leading Disney into a second direct to home video sequel era. Just like the one that nearly killed the company in the 80s.
Disney is riding high on nostalgia and brand recognition but is quickly burning their capital of good will. The youngest generation isnt getting that same nostalgia that’s going to turn them into Disney fans like the 90s kids had. We’re 30 something’s with a bit of disposable income, and Disney is bleeding us dry after making us their primary demographic. They no longer cater to families, and they no longer are looking to make new, young fans.
It’s honestly depressing to see how much that company has fallen. I got hired to work at Disneyland back in 2008 and spent 8 years of my life trying to bring happiness to the guests that came there. I agreed with and worked hard to bring their message to life. But in my time there, and since, I’ve seen a continual shift from taking care of their employees, making it a great place to work, and to make the best entertainment they can.
Something Tron fans seem to forget, and Disney forgets it every so often, the first Tron was a significant failure as well. Yeah, flashy effects and a cool concept, but it wasn’t as relevant to a wider crowd yet. And Legacy wasn’t exactly a success in the box office either. Many forget that Tron appeals to a smaller crowd and isn’t the blockbuster franchise it should be.
A lot of people think that, but it turns out a lot of people are wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron
$17m budget, $50m box office, and it basically created CGI on the way.
I think people just assume such an acid trip of a movie with such a goofy costume has to have flopped, but nope.
Disney dont know how to market to boys. I was a kid when the OG Tron came out, and I loved it. But the marketing was non existent. There was very little in the way of pushing the movie into the hearts and minds of kids, the same way Star Wars, or heman, or transformers, or even fucking gobots had.
In fact, when I say Tron for the first time it was part of a disney kids double bill. That other movie being Something Wicked This Way comes… Which was, to say they least, creepy as all fuck. These movies went together like peanut butter and a sloppy dogshit.
Tron is a masterclass in how to fuck up a franchise.
Leto has done some great roles. See Bladerunner. His problem is his manager that signs him up for every turd script Hollywood can generate. He’s the new Nicolas Cage paying off his IRS bills. Why does Greta Lee have a job in acting? Because she’s an Asian female?
Blaming an actor for a bad movie is like blaming one plumber when a building collapses. The problem is movies are now so expensive to make that they are made by a committee of risk averse accountants. If Quentin Tarantino tried starting today, he would never get to touch a film. The recent trend I do not understand is high audience scores for really terrible movies like F1. They recycled the script from Stallone’s Driven, even the main character. Both were terrible movies misrepresenting the sport. Fantastic 4? Proof that COVID-19 was a brain infection if audiences thought that crime fighting with a newborn was a plot line.
Leto was also a producer and put funding into the movie so he had a much larger hand in the movie than just an actor.
