Would community defense organizing be good?
Honestly bro there is nothing you can do and no answer that will be correct. Do your best.
My advice is buy a shotgun, let them know you are armed and under no circumstances do you open your door to them. Once the door is open all hell will break loose and you will have to make some hard choices within seconds.
Protect yourself and your family at all costs and hope you don’t have to kill anyone to do it.
I’m actually non-binary, and I prefer gender-neutral and feminine terms. Seriously!
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Please change your pronouns to [she,they] then.
Ok. Buy a shotgun.
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Dont use advice found on the internet that come from keyboard warrior. Comply with the law and nothing will happen to you
Says don’t follow advice from anonymous internet people.
gives advice.
i tought it was a reasonable one that anybody can achieve the same conclusion. Have your gotcha
Dude is a fuckin Nazi
Comply with the law and nothing will happen to you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States
I concur. Don’t listen to internet keyboard warriors.
do it your way. tell me how 2000 thousand wrongfull conviction on nearly 300 year give you exclusive right ?
I don’t think I can.
well if you wanna prouve me right the best way is to assault law enforcement and that the justice say it was justified. Idk how you wanna dot it but tell me if you do
No, it’s not that. You’re definitely wrong. Slaves being bought, sold and abused were complying with the law, and that did not work out for them. People of Japanese ancestry were complying with the law when they were moved into concentration camps during WWII, and that was not okay. Just complying with the law is not going to protect you from harm. To add to this, black people had to fight against the law for almost a century in order to get recognized as equal to white people. Women had to protest and non-comply with the law in order to get recognized as equal to men. So active non-compliance is practically a requirement for things to change for legally marginalized people.
The real problem with explaining it all is that every time I see someone going hard to defend the absolute dumbest, room-temp IQ, stance on a situation, it’s usually you, or like 3 other people. I don’t even have to read your name to know a post belongs to you, the absolutely backwards crap you post has it’s own very unique style that lasts substance or tact. I don’t think you could be convinced that you are wrong, despite the preponderance of evidence that you couldn’t be further from the truth.
No, it’s not that. You’re definitely wrong. Slaves being bought, sold and abused were complying with the law, and that did not work out for them. People of Japanese ancestry were complying with the law when they were moved into concentration camps during WWII, and that was not okay
Can u have an exemple that happened when you were born ?
Just complying with the law is not going to protect you from harm.
Agree in theory butt you push the argument to an extreme that make no sens.
To add to this, black people had to fight against the law for almost a century in order to get recognized as equal to white people. Women had to protest and non-comply with the law in order to get recognized as equal to men.
Again can u take an exemple that happened from where your were born ?
So active non-compliance is practically a requirement for things to change for legally marginalized people.
Can u describe who is the marginalized ppl in that case ?
I don’t think you could be convinced that you are wrong, despite the preponderance of evidence that you couldn’t be further from the truth.
yeah cause it s well known that your chance to be a victim of police violence dont dramaticaly increase when you refuse to complie. The real problem with explaining it all is that every time I see someone going hard to defend the absolute dumbest, room-temp IQ, stance on a situation.
See, this is exactly what I was talking about. No, I’m not doing any of that. Take a hike.
Fucking Nazis won’t be tolerated
did anybody fought the nazi in your familly ? you know the real nazi not just ppl you call name when you disagree with them on the internet.
Only Nazis believe that Nazis are “people you disagree with” so besides your long history of evil positions, that’d be more evidence you’re a Nazi.
If you dont disagree you ?
Have fun sealioning and spreading bile while it lasts. Your account will be banned soon :)
ok i thought you would fight nazi with more force than hoppe that my online account on a platform use by 0,0001% of the world would be ban. have fun
Stand your ground?
Most ice agents will stand down facing a well armed militia. They’re just paid goons looking to take out aggressions against those who can’t fight back. Give them opposition and they’ll realize the pay cheque isn’t worth it.
There isn’t a well armed militia in my house.
Even one well armed person isn’t going to deter the 4-6 armed assholes they tend to send through your door.
If they come to kill me they’re gonna kill me. I can’t stop that. But that doesn’t mean I should make it easy for them.
Any and all kind of organizing are good. Don’t reinvent the wheel- find people who are already somewhat organized and go there and LISTEN. They will be less privileged than you but if you go in there humbly and say you’re a dumb shit and should have listened to them way way earlier then maybe things will work out. The elephant in the room is that you never cared about their lives and you obviously need help now, but you’ll be surprised how compassionate people can be. This is also a pretty good list.
‘Don’t reinvent the wheel’
Wait, this is horrible advice. It’s the opposite of what any successful entity does. The wheel here is a problem that the authoritarians have solved long ago. If you’re not reinventing it then you’re cooked before you even go to the store to buy your markers and bullshit cardboard supplies. They have studied the same old civil protests for decades. They have made laws to prevent protestors from being effective. They have decades of behavioral studies and actionable propaganda that they pull out and dust off every time you even think about sharing one of those ‘no kings’ or ‘general strike’ posts. Any protest you can imagine they have solved. If you don’t reinvent the wheel, you’re going to look fucking stupid when you show up with another 700m people and go home having accomplished nothing except get your leadership and organizers arrested.
That wheel needs to be reinvented. Look at the truck convoy. Hate them all you want but they did something brilliant. It was brilliant because at their top they had people who studied and knew police and authoritarian response and they found solutions to break them. After all, they were the authoritarians. They first drove through the streets across America to build awareness and hype. It’s a fucking parade. People came out and cheered on over passes as they rolled through. Others joined. Then they filled cities with so many vehicles and trucks that the police had no idea how to even responsed. How do police safely weave themselves into that formation to make arrests. Then what do they do with the trucks just sitting there? The truckers made it a street party to prevent police from committing violence. They invited families down to enjoy music and hot tubs while also shutting down major parts of cities everywhere neutralizing police ability to do their job.
The left do not have the same effort at the top. It’s lacking. But they need to figure it out super fast because I promise you if you’re just showing up to the streets with the same old shit then you’ve already lost. That wheel needs to be reinvented quick
The clownvoy showed up with enough big trucks that the police could not fight out how to handle them. They also invited people to come hang out so police couldn’t just tear gas and beat skulls in. The left are still protesting in ways that they protested 70 years ago. The police and military have literal books and charts to deal with it. Unless these protest evolve, they’re really not doing back shit
film them
There are four boxes of liberty. The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammo box. Use them in that order
Soap and jury are out. We might not make it to ballot.
Would be incredible to see protest where they show up to any ice presence fully armed. Still act as observes but also to ensure ice doesn’t execute anymore Americans
Minnesota has “permit to carry”, so you need a permit to legally have a firearm in public. Other states have banned open carry at protests. There are legal barriers.
With everything that is happening I’m questioning my state’s assault weapon ban. The feds are unhinged.
They arrested a guy who had a concealed permit and his registered weapon on him
I edited it because my early morning brain doesn’t always come across clearly
Are you referring to Arturo Gamboa, who was shot at while protecting a No King’s Day protest? He eventually walked free, and the shooter was arrested.
Laws specifically targeting disarming leftist
What I would like to see is local organizations, like even city councils, running programs to arm thier citizens. Ideally with free training and such as a requirement. Super awesome would be if they setup shop near protest sites to do some basic training and then sell the weapons to the people legally for like $10 or something. Essentially, legally and responsibly arm the protestors. If ICE starts shooting, they return fire. That should really give ICE pause.
Are there any instances of that happening?
No, and if there were, it would likely give actual legal grounds for the federal government to invoke the Insurrection Act which would allow domestic deployment of the US military - not National Guard, full military. Local PD isn’t doing much for the same reason.
Local PD aren’t doing anything to stop this because the police forces are mainly staffed by low-IQ Republicans who, if anything, will protect ICE with the argument that ICE is federal and therefore apparently can ignore all laws.
Seems all you need to use to get the threat of the insurrection act is a snow shovel. Go big or go home I say. And even without it, he deployed marines in so cal.
First, contact as many people as you can, especially local ICE watch orgs. A lot have hotlines which you may be able to find with a web search. Next start recording. Delay as long as possible. Ask for a warrant, stay calm and maybe try to negotiate as a stall tactic. This will hopefully give community members time to arrive and record or hopefully apply pressure if they are brave and numerous enough. It is possible to intimidate and drive them back with enough numbers.
All else fails at this point I would not fight back and allow yourself to be arrested. Most citizens being arrested right now are being released. The courts are slow but still upholding the law for now. If you are not a citizen then your options might not be as good. Fighting back is likely to get you injured or killed but if you have an escape route it could be worthwhile, especially if you can escape in areas where motor vehicles can’t go. Their level of fitness is generally low so they can’t give chase for long, and as long as you’re not high profile you might be safe once you get away, though you’ll likely need to lie low somewhere.
If you’re asking what to do about the current political situation in a broader sense then I have different answers.
That is the point Mr. Bond is expected you to die. There is only luck at this point.
If they are in your home and you are at gun point, all you can do is play along and pray. Anyone saying otherwise is beating their chest or stupid.
If you were armed and responded with force, they will kill you. Period. Even if you manage to take down the initial force, you’re not leaving that house alive.
We need to do so many more things before the “they’re in my house with guns” stage.
Start by getting to know your neighbors. For real. If they are all right leaning, move. Surround yourself with like-minded people. Build mutual aid networks. They are far less likely to enter your neighbor’s home if you’re sheltering there, for example.
Have contingency plans on top of contingency plans. For example: you have a best case scenario fleeing plan. Decide where you’re going (ideally another country). Build out your time line, work on making it happen. Then plan less ideal ones all the way down to your “Anne Frank” plan. Who can you hide with long term?
For the Anne Frank scenario; what are your insurgency skills? You don’t have to be a fighter to be useful to your community. Learn, hone, and practice the skills that make you valuable to yourself and others.
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I sorta agree with this. I live in the Trumpiest state in this shitty union. I’m the most left leaning person on my block. I know most of my neighbors and they have gotten to like us. That said, there are some of them who I know would turn us in no matter what.
The area I live in is majority trump cultists. However I am a middle aged overweight white male construction worker, so I blend right in. Im going to be someones anne Franke hidey hole if it comes to that.
I’m from a suburb of Minneapolis. Civil engagement is a good way to go. Recent events (shootings) got people to get our city council to figure out what they could do for gun safety. ICE hasn’t touched our wealthy suburb yet, though. There hasn’t been a city meeting since Renee Good, as well. Next city council meeting will be 🔥
What can they do for “gun safety”? I’m fairly sure the woman murdered wasn’t because of lack of gun safety on her end.
I wasn’t trying to imply the gun safety thing will make a difference in the current atmosphere. Just that pressuring and changing local government helps and is something to do. Idk man.
That’s fair. I will not argue that.
Honestly, I’d take my fate into my own hands, and hope I could take a couple out before they took me out. Assuming I could get to a gun before they had me in their sights. Oragnaized and committed community defense could stop it from getting to that point, but the people participating also have to be prepared to die for their community.
