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return2ozma@lemmy.world to News@lemmy.world · 1 month ago

Trump Balks At Declaring War For Venezuelan Drug Cartels Strikes: ‘We’re Just Going To Kill People’

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Trump Balks At Declaring War For Venezuelan Drug Cartels Strikes: ‘We’re Just Going To Kill People’

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return2ozma@lemmy.world to News@lemmy.world · 1 month ago
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‘We're Gonna Kill Them:’ Trump Signals No Formal Declaration Of War Against Venezuelan Drug Cartels
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At least nine U.S. military strikes have been carried out against alleged drug vessels in the Caribbean since September.

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    Nobel Peace Prize material right there, folks.

  • Fedizen@lemmy.world
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    Can we please do the right thing here and convict this man of war crimes. Even if he’s already dead when allegedly sane people get back in power, they need to sue the shit out of his remaining trusts and kids for corruption, bribery etc.

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    A war is a two-way conflict. No way they want that.

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    This guy is so dumb, man.

    As if “we’ll just kill people” isn’t just a declaration of war. 🙄

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    Declaring war is a boring, formal process that acknowledges authority other than himself, of course he doesn’t want to do it. Why do all of that when he already has the thrill of ordering the deaths of random civilians and having the footage streamed live to him while he scarfs down a McDouble? If he wants to send in a Marine division he’ll just say go do it, who’s going to stop him?

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      The only people that could stop him would be the Marines. But they signed up to kill people, so they’re in agreement.

      • masterofn001@lemmy.ca
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        They can kill…not Venezuelan’s…

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    ”He loved to watch people burn, the way their skin blackened and blistered and melted off their bones. He burned lords he didn’t like, he burned Hands who disobeyed him. He burned anyone who was against him. Before long, half the country was against him. Aerys saw traitors everywhere.”

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    When asked by a reporter why he would not ask Congress for a declaration of war, he replied: “I think we’re just gonna kill people. Okay? We’re gonna kill them. They’re gonna be, like, dead.”

    He added: “The land is going to be next. And we may go to the Senate; we may go to the Congress and tell them about it, but I can’t imagine they’d have any problem with it."

    Fuck I hate this guy so much. Can’t even call a Nazi tyrant war criminal a Nazi tyrant war criminal.

    BTW I don’t agree with Candace Owens on anything else, but I don’t think her claims that Trump may have been involved in Charlie Kirk’s assassination (or at least allowed it to happen) are exactly “unhinged,” when he’s comfortable openly saying this kind of shit to the fucking press. If he can talk openly about just murdering people on a whim, if he can release an official memo that very much implies he plans to do the same for any American citizen who disagrees with him, why would it be “unhinged,” to think he’s capable of something like that?

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    He’ll declare war before the midterms and claim that there can’t be elections while the US is at war.

    • neuromorph@lemmy.world
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      shame we held open and fair elections during every war we’ve had in the past, including civil war

    • Cheems@lemmy.world
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      Learning from Russia

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        Well, from Ukraine, though an actual war is occurring. Russia are more than happy to hold elections since they’re rigged anyway.

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          Ukraine has a different constitution than us, with provisions for suspending elections during war. We do not have any such provisions in our constitution.

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            Sure.

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    in order to distract from the files, he would have to declare war like Nixon did.

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    Imagine if Obama said “We’re just going to kill people” in any context. I hate this shit so much.

    • Archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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      To be fair…Obama did “just kill people” by the thousands.

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        Liberals like Obama because he did it while keeping a low profile so they could keep their conscious clean.

        MAGA like Trump cuz he gloats about it so they can revel in it.

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          conscience

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          Where the fuck did I say I liked Obama.

          • Sunforged@lemmy.ml
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            When you hear people insult liberals do you always take it personally?

            • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              Maybe go back to the original comment for this thread and read usernames

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                They were clearly responding to the person who instinctively jumped to defend Obama, if you look at the usernames, he was clearly not taking to you…

                • Sunforged@lemmy.ml
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                  Wasn’t even directed at anyone in particular, just stating the observation.

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                  That person absolutely wasn’t defending Obama. They were clearly calling him out, likely for his drone strikes.

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        Do you care to name an incident, so we can compare?

        • Sunforged@lemmy.ml
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          The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians. As he reportedly told senior aides in 2011: “Turns out I’m really good at killing people. Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”

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            Yes, I see, lots of parallels there.

            Apparently Trump is quite a fan of drone strikes too:

            There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama’s eight years in office,

            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

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              That Trump is worse does not trivialize the fact.

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                Yeah I’m not arguing with you on this just sharing information I found.

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                No, but it is telling that trump then, according to these number, killed 4x more people in 2x less time

                Both numbers suffice that either men should be in an ICC prison

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        Every US president practically has.

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          This is pretty much why the Supreme Court ruled that a president’s actions cannot be considered illegal, when performed in the name of their official capacity as president. They didn’t just give Trump the authority to violate the law…they retroactively gave it to every other president that has committed atrocities during their time in office.

          In a twisted sort of way, they were affirming what’s already considered established precedent.

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        I thought Obama had congressional approval for all his military actions.

        That’s not just killing people, it’s part of the job of being president: executing the will of the republic. What Trump is doing is very different.

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          Obama was really just piggy-backing on previous “approvals”. He was also conducting drone strikes wherever he felt like…in or out of active war scenarios. It was also all based on shadowy intelligence, and done without any due process for those he killed. All in the name of the Republic…just like how Trump is claiming his actions are.

          So…not much different.

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            Congress approved military strikes in the entire middle east region under Bush. Even if the strikes weren’t in active war zones, they were approved uses of military force. Trump has no such authority for his strikes on boats in the Pacific and Caribbean.

            I agree that the authorizations granted under Bush were bullshit and tantamount to war crimes, but the actions of the president is starkly different.

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